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#1 jokk

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Posted 02 January 2004 - 07:18 AM

We'll all know all coders are not equal on this scene, sharing those sources would brings some great improvement and freedom to the scene !


#2 jokk

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Posted 03 January 2004 - 05:47 AM

and only 10 ppl know what that mean....

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Posted 03 January 2004 - 06:41 AM

You started this with msdash source aswell, what are you going on about?

If only 10 people know what you mean what are you doing posting it on a public forum?

People may have their own code and reversed a lot of the ms kernel but i doubt they have got hold of the origional source.

They shouldnt release their own code, they shouldnt release reversed code and if they did have it they shouldnt release copyrighted ms code. There isnt much need for it, anyone good enough to code kernels dont need that much help.

#4 jokk

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 12:43 AM

Well all bios except the cromwell are based on m$ kernel so based on copyrighted ms code.....

You don't wanna see samba support in bios ? or kb working in game ?

And yes few ppl have the full kernel srcs from M$ smile.gif

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 06:41 PM

If the sources are available to a few in the 'underground' - then by all means, they should be made available to developers. At the very least made available to BIOS, dashboard and similar utility app developers.


This relates to the same issue I have with the developers of Evo-X, who have shared only a small amount of the info they are privvy to that isn't available in the XDKs and other published sources.


I also think that if these sources do exist, they should be handled carefully, too... they should not be merely dumped on the net, but made available to those with a need-to-know on an educational basis.

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 07:25 PM

amen to that, he right.

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 07:53 PM

crazy that the source code become more & more available to people...
but i find it a good idea...hope it will be public one day...

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Posted 14 January 2004 - 07:06 AM

This is probably crazy talk jester.gif, but what about the possibility of starting a opensource bios clone project?

Or even better(?), use a stripped down linux kernel and somehow create bindings to the ms xbox kernel calls..

I probably need to wake up soon. . smile.gif

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Posted 14 January 2004 - 02:43 PM

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jan 5 2004, 03:41 PM)
If the sources are available to a few in the 'underground' - then by all means, they should be made available to developers. At the very least made available to BIOS, dashboard and similar utility app developers.


This relates to the same issue I have with the developers of Evo-X, who have shared only a small amount of the info they are privvy to that isn't available in the XDKs and other published sources.


I also think that if these sources do exist, they should be handled carefully, too... they should not be merely dumped on the net, but made available to those with a need-to-know on an educational basis.

I agree

#10 GomerPyle

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 12:53 AM

uh oh what did I start laugh.gif

Absoluteley he shouldnt

Edited by GomerPyle, 02 February 2004 - 12:54 AM.


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Posted 02 February 2004 - 12:10 PM

There is a poll option missing... "No, cause it's a bad idea".

I'd vote for that one.

This topic is obviously illegal anyway, and should be removed from the forums.

Edited by stealth, 02 February 2004 - 12:13 PM.


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Posted 02 February 2004 - 09:35 PM

can i just ask, when you say kernal source you mean in C right? you can get the extract the xbox kernal from the xdk in asm, i know as ive got a copy sitting on my desktop. Im fairly certain i got the informatiion on what to do from a forum, the file is roughly 12mb (65.000 odd pages of assembler)
Please if im in anyway mistaken please dont flame me,

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Posted 02 February 2004 - 09:38 PM

QUOTE (clogicgmather @ Feb 2 2004, 06:35 PM)
can i just ask, when you say kernal source you mean in C right? you can get the extract the xbox kernal from the xdk in asm, i know as ive got a copy sitting on my desktop. Im fairly certain i got the informatiion on what to do from a forum, the file is roughly 12mb (65.000 odd pages of assembler)
Please if im in anyway mistaken please dont flame me,

c/c++, yes.

#14 Morien

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 05:09 AM

jokk:
Weren't you the one who posted numerous times in the old 'When is Surreal 64 coming out' thread telling Iriez to share the sources?
Didn't he say that a) he didn't have them and b ) if he did he wouldn't share them because people such as yourself were putting high attention on him having and potentially releasing MS source code?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that he has them, but let's think about this. MS is a big BIG company. It's owner is a very rich man. With money comes power. As such, they DO have the ability to track people down over the internet and completley rape them in court. Now where's the benefit for Iriez to release the sources? Sure it may help the scene (well, not as much as 2 years ago), however I don't think it wise to release MS owned source code, especially when so much attention is being put on who specifically is releasing it.
C'mon, show some sense. And stop instigating will ya.

Morien

Edited by Morien, 07 February 2004 - 05:10 AM.


#15 MaTiAz

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 07:21 AM

IMHO it would be nice if someone could share the sources. But I don't think that
Iriez has them(he was just the one who said that Xecuter should share the sources).

It would be cool if everyone could have their own bioses(like MaTiAz 5233.04 no-IGR).




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