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#1 XPort

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Posted 28 August 2004 - 06:12 PM

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#2 deathx88

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Posted 31 August 2004 - 01:15 AM

this is something that sort of speaks for almost all of your emulators, besides the obvious ones

when you turn on a game genie code you have to exit the game, sometimes this can be annoying, would it be possible to make it so you don't have to exit the rom

or maybe a resest function too, but im sure your tired of hearing that one tongue.gif

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 12:27 AM

I complained about the cheat codes, a week or two ago. Heh ^^;

Anyway, this one has been bothering me for a while. You say that 32X emulation works. But a 32X game that I loved back in the day, WWF Raw, doesn't run on NeoGenesis.

Now, it does somewhat run on Gens on Windows XP. Though you have to reset the 32X processors, then reset the Genesis processor, and it will eventually boot. There are major graphic glitches and the game will crash. But it does boot, at least.

I was wondering if it would be possible to somehow build upon the 32X emulation, and maybe find a way to get that game to work? Maybe it could help other 32X games to work.

An off chance, I know. But I thought it was worth asking.

Edit: Instead of going around and flooding the topics, I at least hope that I can make a general request for all the emulators here.
This goes along with the cheat code thing mentioned earlier.

The Windows versions of many of these console emulators have multiple cheat functions. There are the FCEUltra Debug codes, Pro Action Replay, Game Genie, Gameshark, Code Breaker, and the newer Action Replay. Among others. But your emulators typically only support raw hex and one other cheat device. Except the GBA emulator, which has all but Action Replay v3.
The problem is, some codes are created for a certain device, and not others. And there are few known ways of converting them. Certainly nothing that I could do, myself. So, I was wondering if you could possibly impliment these other devices. I think GSCentral.com has a resource for the encryption methods for each device.

Another problem is that you have to reset games for code changes, while the Windows versions can toggle on the fly. Which makes it difficult, if you need to turn off codes for some reason, for a short period of time.

I'm not as much bothered by the lack of reset, though. I would just rather have the code system improved. Please?

Edited by Lucied, 01 September 2004 - 12:43 AM.


#4 Likklebaer

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 08:23 AM

The recently released Gens Plus seems to have alot of improvements over the original and is being updated regularly. I don't know if the source is available but surely the author is obligated to release it at some point.

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Sep 1 2004, 04:26 AM)
The recently released Gens Plus seems to have alot of improvements over the original and is being updated regularly. I don't know if the source is available but surely the author is obligated to release it at some point.

I do not see anything here that would be of use in the XBox version except perhaps the envelope disable option. However, I don't see how disabling the envelope could possibly result in correct sound emulation.


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Posted 04 September 2004 - 02:19 AM

Hi,

Great work so far on Neogenesis, I now currently spend more time playing megadrive games than any other game on the xbox biggrin.gif

But, there is one thing that has been _really_ bugging me over the last few days, especially since starting on the sonic series _again_...

It seems as I am playing along I see a weird jitter on the screen, usually in the chequered areas of the screen on levels such as green hill, and most others.

I'd not noticed it until playing sonic, now it is just a thorn in my mind...

Currently i'm using a PAL xbox, and the game is NTSC US, i'm assuming it is the conversion from 60hz to 50hz that is doing it?

Will try to get hold of a euro copy of the game to confirm this theory.

Is this a known bug or problem, and if so... if you would ever like someone with a PAL system to test things i'd be more than willing to (any excuse to play sonic, hehe)

Cheers

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Posted 04 September 2004 - 02:51 AM

Ok, after a littler tinkering around... i've managed to work it out.

Firstly, what I said about ntsc conversion seems to be the case, as I picked up another copy and told it to run in euro mode = no jitter.

But, I have found another interesting tidbit of info too...

It seems quite a lot of roms out there are region unlocked, i.e. Jap/USA/Euro compatible. This seems to trip up neogenesis, to the point that it seems to automatically run multi region roms in ntsc, regardless UNLESS you tell it to run it in euro via the game config menu.

And now, onto a request for this specific problem...

Why not have a menu option to select default mode for running games if there is no configuration setup for it already? i.e. all you have to do is select euro mode then if there is no config available simply defaults to euro...

That way at least when people see jitters they will know exactly why, and if they have the time can go look elsewhere for a home region game smile.gif

Just a thought, i'm sure i'll have others as I keep playing.

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Posted 04 September 2004 - 12:58 PM

Just a tip... in a SESSION of neogenesis.. Whatever settings you pick for one game will carry over into the next game (if it does not already have settings). So you can use this to your advantage.

If you start a new session, pick first a game that is already set-up with euro as default, then exit and start the new one.

Just a tip to make things easier in the meantime.


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Posted 04 September 2004 - 04:42 PM

xport,great job on neogenesis. i have a few 32x cd games i found around town at different pawn shops.will neogenesis ever be able to play them??? beerchug.gif

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 06:21 PM

I have a debug kit and I have been trying to launch NeoGenesis with no luck. I keep getting the message "An error occurred loading an Xbox executable". Any idea what's up? I've gotten this message with almost every emulator I've tried so far except for MAMEoX. Thanks!

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 01:21 AM

Hi,

1. It would be nice to skip the "Game Configuration" after you select a game. (Now we have to press B to skip).

2. The screenshot button (Black I think) shouldn't be on the control, It should be on a menu after you push the right stick.

3. Why can't I use all the buttons, most of the games I have tested I can't jump or shoot, only 2 buttons works and rest of them is nothing except screenshot and speed and menu.
The control should be default on blue (punch or so), green (jump) and red (kick or bomb..) on every game, it takes too long to change the config buttons and test which one is to what.

The # 1 & 2 things have been improved in those newest emulators to xbox.

I have some lil cousins and they dont' know so much about the menus and so on, everytime they select a game they think the "green button" is to go skip the "Game Configuration".
And they don't know all the buttons so they are testing, they are pressing screenshots at least 1000x everytimes they are playing.

THX alot

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 01:34 AM

Good point well made - seems that some of the defaults for controller config are questionable at best - I had to disable all the wonderous extra features of the controller to prevent me taking screenshots by accident and also to prevent me changing the graphics filter... playing world cup italia 90 with a stick rocks, but when you tense up and press the thumbstick it does funky things to your end scoreline wink.gif

Would be nice if extra features were placed in the right thumbstick menus more instead of keypress combos etc.

Also an option for disabling checksums on roms would be nice - many a time i've tried to enable game genie codes and get the good ol' red screen of fury... would be nice if checksum check could be bypassed or faked to allow cheaters like me (only on super hang on to get the super bike!) the chance to do things they didn't have the time and patience to do when they were younger.... biggrin.gif

Like I said, i'll keep playing and suggesting wink.gif

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 02:11 AM

Thing is, all this can be done by going into the "controller options" under setup and config the controller the way you want (disconnecting the extraneous stuff you do not like) and then save the configuration. It will then ask you if you want to change it for "ALL" game configurations, say YES.

Then COPY the controller configuration over to the other 4 controllers.

The only feature worth turning off is the fast forward and that is only on the GBA and PSX emu's because those systems have an R button.


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Posted 06 September 2004 - 10:39 AM

Yes, but it should still be default when installing the emulator, like other ones.

THX

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 04:13 PM

Hi,
How do I make so I skip the "Game Configuration" after selecting a game, where in setup do I disable it ???


It would be nice to skip the "Game Configuration" after you select a game. (Now we have to press B to skip).


THX




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