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#16 m_hael

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 12:20 AM

I'm assuming that everyone commenting on the x360 version has played it and thus has a right to comment on how it looks "soooo bad"... oh sorry did I step on a few toes there?

I'm not allowed to divulge the actual improvements made over the xbox version however I can tell you they are there and its a LOT more than simply rendering to 720p. Play them side by side and you'll see... I would however recommend that you don't comment until you see them side by side or at least play the x360 version.

regarding the gameplay - the game sells Millions of copies every year based on its gameplay... similar to madden.

regarding the reviews - any reviewer that values his reputation would be worried at the comments being made. People should probably note that the value in a game is in its playability (tetris isn't shiny or gritty or realistic, yet its the most played game in the world), in my opinion this should make up over 75% of a review... sadly reviwers (and graphics whores) are more bothered about effect X ... if you want shiny things or realistic looks go see a movie.

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 12:43 AM

m_chael,


With all due respect, I think the gist of the review is not just the graphics but the overall package. Now if your gonna charge the consumer more money for a title thats availabe cheaper on other systems then there is got to be something in place to justify the higher price. Now as a part time journalist that reviews games every now and then, I couldnt recommend someone buy THAW for the 360. They should just get the xbox version. Simply because you dont get any extra value for the extra money; theyre no significant improvements to warrant it being called next gen. You basically get the same game as the xbox version with a 720p option and a few graphical glitches.

They were just saying that you could get the same game and a better value if you just got one of the current gen versions.

Now the same cannot be said for other 360 launch titles so naturally THAW is gonna get the shorter end of the stick.

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#18 m_hael

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 02:47 AM

What about someone who does not have any of the other platforms.. then in order to play THAW on xbox it would cost around $200... should the xbox 360 verison be persecuted because of this... no... an LP costs more than a CD...does that mean the review for LP's is ALWAYS worse... no.

ALL 360 games are going to be at the pricepoint ATVI set for THAW... it is therefore unfair to judge "value" and compare to other platforms unless ALL 360 games that are xplat get the SAME treatment; they didn't.

and again - you would see the improvements made if you ran xbox & 360 side by side... but that might be fair and balanced and this is america so we wouldn't wanna do that.

ps - my name is not michael.

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#19 Joergen

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 03:53 AM

m_hael: Arent you employed by said company? So if our views are too harsh and unfair then your views are biased by a vested interest in the product in question.

Designing a game for the biggest cash cow (the PS2 naturally, 450mhz, 16MB ) which unfortunately happens to be the lowest common denominator, and then selling it as a next gen title (3.2GHz, 512MB) is your right as a free market enterprise. But we the public have the right to demand more. Fortunately for your business model most of us do not.

Your comparison to Tetris fails in that Tetris was revolutionary and original, and they didnt make a new Tetris game twice a year for 50 bucks a pop for 6 years in the running. To me TH has not been overhauled since it first appeared on the PSX (and actually was revolutionary and pioneering) so many years ago, and I can only wonder how many more years you can milk it without closing your doors for a couple years to build it all from scratch.



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Posted 21 November 2005 - 04:52 AM

QUOTE(Joergen @ Nov 20 2005, 08:00 PM)
m_hael: Arent you employed by said company? So if our views are too harsh and unfair then your views are biased by a vested interest in the product in question.

Designing a game for the biggest cash cow (the PS2 naturally, 450mhz, 16MB ) which unfortunately happens to be the lowest common denominator, and then selling it as a next gen title (3.2GHz, 512MB) is your right as a free market enterprise. But we the public have the right to demand more. Fortunately for your business model most of us do not.

Your comparison to Tetris fails in that Tetris was revolutionary and original, and they didnt make a new Tetris game twice a year for 50 bucks a pop for 6 years in the running. To me TH has not been overhauled since it first appeared on the PSX (and actually was revolutionary and pioneering) so many years ago, and I can only wonder how many more years you can milk it without closing your doors for a couple years to build it all from scratch.

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ps2 = 333Mhz, 32MB main ram

also - from your brief rundown of TH I'd guess you don't play the game much?

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 05:09 AM

QUOTE(m_hael @ Nov 20 2005, 08:59 PM)
ps2 = 333Mhz, 32MB main ram

also - from your brief rundown of TH I'd guess you don't play the game much?

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You guys should seriously leave M_Hael alone, he's certainly not the only person who worked on this game, and I'm sure it has a helluva lot of polish for what they were able to craft into this game.

Just imagine if you worked on a painting for a year and someone came along and told you it sucked, lock and load.

Give the guy a helluva lot of credit, he's come to X-S to answer your questions and you guys crap on him. If you don't like the game, vote with your dollars, but I bet it'll sell like hotcakes, they always do.

When you have a winning formula, you don't really need to change.

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 05:09 AM

ps2 cpu: 294Mhz tongue.gif

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 05:31 AM

again you people speak so loud about things you know nothing about. no offense to M_hael but i dont really care for the tony hawk series but i even give credit where its due. you guys with your conspiricies and theories about a game you never even played is BS. like he said its not the devs who decide the price its activision, and even though he cant say what is enhanced he can say a lot has been. everything i said in my last post still holds true while you guys continue to judge a geme that sells million every year (not twice a year) on the gameplay first and graphics second. i hardly keep up on the game and yet even i can see the clear advancements that the series has taken over the years. i cant even imagine the work that must go into making a game and yet im still never one to be so quick to down play someones accomplishments. like it has been said before, wait until you see the games running side by side or atleast play the damn finished 360 version before shouting your mouth off blink.gif

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 05:57 AM

I honestly don't care if the reviewer thinks the Xbox 360 version _should_ be better than it is.. I don't care if it isn't as pretty as other 360 games. The point is, regardless of the platform, the best _version_ should get the highest score. The reviewer makes a point that the graphics are only marginally better and the game play is as great as it is on the other systems. As such, this makes the 360 version the best of the bunch and it deserves the highest score.

What the reviews tell me is that if I own all 3 consoles I should get the Xbox 1 version because it is the best. This isn't the case, going by the text of the review.

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 07:16 AM

I would just get the xbox 1 verson, there is no point in paying more when you can get the same game.

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 08:29 PM

Ok,

I just played the 360 version about 2 hours ago and it's official.......

It blows.

And so does GUN for xbox.

Just my 2 cents.

I think the moral of the story is....

If you are a video game fan, these two games blow, If your a cassual gamer, (mindless pupet), you might actually eat this shit and love it. Just like Madden.

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 08:41 PM

QUOTE(jaskerzada006 @ Nov 21 2005, 02:36 PM)
Ok,

I just played the 360 version about 2 hours ago and it's official.......

It blows.

And so does GUN for xbox.

Just my 2 cents.

I think the moral of the story is....

If you are a video game fan, these two games blow, If your a cassual gamer, (mindless pupet),  you might actually eat this shit and love it.  Just like Madden.

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i think your report would have more merit if you gave reasons behind your brute opinions as to why the games "blow"? are you even a fan of the series? i just figured i would ask since its "official" now. in regards to gun the only negatives i have heard about the game is the games length and lack of replay value, the story, gameplay, premise, etc. have been well recieved by those who have played the game. next time you should put more thought into your post if you wish to be taken serious rolleyes.gif

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 09:09 PM

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i think your report would have more merit if you gave reasons behind your brute opinions as to why the games "blow"? are you even a fan of the series? i just figured i would ask since its "official" now. in regards to gun the only negatives i have heard about the game is the games length and lack of replay value, the story, gameplay, premise, etc. have been well recieved by those who have played the game. next time you should put more thought into your post if you wish to be taken serious




I guess I don't wish to be taken seriously.


So, if you don't agree with what someone says, don't take it seriously and go play THAW! laugh.gif

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 09:15 PM

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Nov 21 2005, 08:48 PM)
i think your report would have more merit if you gave reasons behind your brute opinions as to why the games "blow"?  are you even a fan of the series?  i just figured i would ask since its "official" now.  in regards to gun the only negatives i have heard about the game is the games length and lack of replay value, the story, gameplay, premise, etc. have been well recieved by those who have played the game.  next time you should put more thought into your post if you wish to be taken serious  rolleyes.gif

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"if you're already familiar with the other versions of Gun, know that the only real differences are that this port runs on the Xbox 360 instead of other platforms, and it also costs more"

"When you play Gun on an HDTV, low-resolution textures and character models shine through, undermining what was a great-looking presentation on other platforms.Seams in textures, some weird shimmering, clipping, and other little graphical flaws just get magnified.On top of that, when running in true HD resolution, for some strange reason the game comes out looking extremely dark compared with other versions of Gun and other Xbox 360 games (we confirmed this using Xbox 360s, component cables, and HDTVs). Or, if you play it on a standard television, Gun barely looks different from what you could be playing on a PS2 or an Xbox, except that it forces you to play in a letterboxed widescreen mode, for whatever reason. It doesn't really suffer from frame rate drops like the other versions do, but the frame rate still isn't fast and smooth, on the whole. So even though the quality of the visuals may be technically better on the 360 than other platforms--some of the textures are definitely sharper, for instance--the game just doesn't look at all flattering compared to other Xbox 360 titles, and it isn't going to live up to your expectations of what a game for a powerful new console ought to look like"


Want some complaints? there you go tongue.gif

we can argue this as much as we want but ultimately Gun and THAW are just victims of a spectacular launch and as a result they have to endure sharper scrutiny. I mean with all the competition of great games for the 360 how can you recommend these games to anyone but the die hards that havent bought the game yet? Thats why they deserve the gamespot score.

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE(jaskerzada006 @ Nov 21 2005, 03:16 PM)
I guess I don't wish to be taken seriously.
So, if you don't agree with what someone says, don't take it seriously and go play THAW! laugh.gif

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i wont be playing the game because other then the first two i lost interest in the series. however just because its not my kind of game i wont go out and say it sucks. for a skateboarding game, it has no equal. its also evident to the improvements that they have made through-out the years. im not one to downplay someones work and acheivements because its something i dont care for, thats just blind ignorance.

as for my reply to you earlier i was really curious to what made you think the game "blows"? how long did you play the game? are you even a fan of the series? do you think it blows only because it doesnt have "next gen" visuals? if you would actually include details then maybe it would give your shallow opinions some more solid ground to stand on. it scares me that some people may actually take words like your serious, while im sure there are millions of more gamers around the world that would be happy to disagree with you.




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