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#1 mathman

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 05:28 AM

I't's rediculous. Right? Where's the proof? Might as well be a dragon in the sky. Christian here. Not for longthough. On the verge of conversion. Looking for proof. Anyone out there? Help me. Give me knowledge. God is a hallucination. A result of a thorough brainwash. The ability to reason rules supreme. Higher than any GOD. Convince me. Teach me spirituality. RELIGION = BLINDFAITH. Proof?. Where?. Oh just another Jahova's Witness. In practice and theory, everyone is an ATHEIST. Think. Christians: People make their own Christianity. Bible = Koran = Talmud = RELIGION = Tool(Not the band). "Religion is a means for people to achieve perfection". Why not ACADEMICS? MORALITY does not equal religion, but perception. As does everything else. Red or blue? It's perception. No one is right except for who you choose to percieve as right. Input is welcome. Ignorance is not. FAITH = BLINDFAITH. Sheep or INTELLIGENCE? You choose. Free will. Individuality. RELIGION = CONFLICT = CONTRADICTION = FALSEHOOD, FALSEHOOD, FALSEHOOD, FALSEHOOD, FALSEHOOD, FALSEHOOD, and FALSEHOOD.

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 05:29 AM

religion's to me are just like cults... *opinion here*

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 05:43 AM

Become one with yourself, Bevis. How bout a little less pot, and a little more thought. wink.gif

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 05:45 AM

Mathman, just go do some calculations. Whatever you think, think it and keep it to yourself. Where the hell do you think you came from, what about the earth? mother nature? I will not get into a dispute, but the earth is proof enough. Just keep religion and your "theory" out of the scene. I am very relgious, and I think people would take offence to $hit that you say. Mods please lock this forum. Lets keep it out of the scene.

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:05 AM

I'm a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, lived a perfect life, died a sinner's death on the cross to pay for our sins, and rose again on the third day, conquering sin and death... I would also argue Christianity does not require a person to check their brains out at the door. After all, Christ calls for us to love the Lord with all our Heart, Mind, and Strength. If you would like to read up on some "intellegent Christians," read works by:

C.S. Lewis, Norman Geisler, Alvin Plantiga, and Josh McDowell

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:22 AM

religion? seems like a waste of time if you ask me

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:22 AM

This may offend some of you, but the people that I've met that are super religious are CHEAP people and becomes blinded. I don't care if you're religious, but if you take that crap out of church and try to shove it in everyone's face, you got some issues. You're becoming a follower... Religion are man made and it's evil... MONEY is not the root of all EVIL like they say. IT's only EVIL if you let MONEY run your life and you live by it. Again, it's so EVIL.... that is why Vatican city is the richest city in the world from all those TAX FREE money going to them sent in by Benny Hin. laugh.gif

as for Jesus, I don't think he'd like the fact that there are religion. I remember talking to some father guy and he told me that the dead sea scroll with Jesus actual words was taken by the Vaticans was probably destroyed because he believe that the TRUTH about what Jesus thought about religion was on there. The vaticans were scared NOT to get PAID anymore if people going to churches finds out about it. laugh.gif Why do you guys think those statues cry blood, because the poor man on that cross is pissed off at these churches for doing nothing, but start wars, stealing the weak's money.

The only thing you should believe in is the Man upstairs. No need to live by a stupid Bible made up of nothing by soybean ink. Live true to yourself, stay out of trouble and you'll be fine.. I will NEVER believe that someone can be FORGIVEN after killing someone. That's b*llsh*t. dry.gif

Edited by MartialXboxArtist, 24 April 2003 - 06:31 AM.


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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:30 AM

God, not this discussion again....
People are not necessarily followers because they go to Church and do what the Bible, their God, and their Pastor asks them to do... spread the word on Jesus and God. Most of the people who are just 'blindly' following a religion would follow something else that's possibly more destructive.
On a side note, what do you call it when you go into a Dojo, practice a grunt and a thrust, and then bow to your Sensai? Seems kind of ritualistic to me, which, if you notice, is the basis of every religion is... ritual events, that is. Simply because you don't go to Church does not make you an individual, nor does going to Church automatically make you a follower.
In a nutshell... getting into this debate is pointless. Let people believe in something; Now, more than ever, people NEED hope and strength, and if going to Church, Mosque, Karate lessons, or your Temple to the Kami gives you a belief in a higher power that, consequently, helps you lead a better life more fullfillingly, then that's fine in my book.

Edited by nazis X., 24 April 2003 - 06:31 AM.


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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:31 AM

All I have to say is I didn't evolve from monkeys like socrates. biggrin.gif

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:31 AM

^^ Did GOD create man? or did MAN create god? ohmy.gif

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:31 AM

QUOTE (nonamer66 @ Apr 24 2003, 01:31 AM)
All I have to say is I didn't evolve from monkeys like socrates. biggrin.gif

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:33 AM

QUOTE (staticFLINT @ Apr 24 2003, 01:31 AM)
^^ Did GOD create man? or did MAN create god? ohmy.gif

That is yet to be answered...

#13 nazis X.

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:34 AM

QUOTE (staticFLINT @ Apr 24 2003, 07:31 AM)
^^ Did GOD create man? or did MAN create god? ohmy.gif

Maybe they both did, all at once, in that paradoxal, gordian knot sort of way. smile.gif

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 06:36 AM

QUOTE (nazis X. @ Apr 24 2003, 12:34 AM)
QUOTE (staticFLINT @ Apr 24 2003, 07:31 AM)
^^ Did GOD create man? or did MAN create god? ohmy.gif

Maybe they both did, all at once, in that paradoxal, gordian knot sort of way. smile.gif

yes! that was it.... blink.gif

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Posted 24 April 2003 - 11:42 AM

Belief in a higher power is founded on faith. There can be no proof. Equally, there can be no disproving the existence of a higher power. That is the nature and dilemma of a God.

But I'll give you Pascal's Wager: If there is a God, and you live your life morally and in a faithful manner, your gains are infinite. If there isn't, and you still live your life in a moral and faithful manner, you at the very least have likely been a good human being, nothing to sneeze at.

Conversely, if there is a God and you choose to live your life in a manner antithetical to the Bible/Koran/etc, you are in deep shit. If there isn't a God, and you choose to live imorally, then you have likely been a burden to mankind.

What does this mean? You have nothing to gain from giving up your faith, and EVERYTHING to lose.


Mind you, I myself have no place for religion in my life; but I have as much respect for the viewpoints of religious folks as I do for any other. I do not regard their decisions as weakness, nor do I have the unfettered arrogance to think not believing makes one inherently less of a victim of manipulation. My atheism is founded on personal issues, and I would never thrust my beliefs on others by thinking them inferior for something that is 100% opinion.

The only thing that matters as far as I am concerned is the sincerity of your beliefs. There are false atheists just as there are false Christians, and neither is very worthwhile. If you sincerely think God is not for you, then you shouldn't be asking other people what to think. You should read, contemplate, and figure out what such a decision really means.

It is not a democratic process that brings man truth. You do not put these things up to vote. You have to figure them out for yourself.

Keep in mind that if you ask at a place like X-S, the bulk of people will be against religion, simply because most young people rebel there first. Some will be well thought out responses, but a lot will just be shit they heard someone they think is smart say once about atheism that they regurgitate.

Some of the most incredibly good people in history have been atheists; likewise, all of the truly evil people in history have to have been atheists at their core, simply because no one who believed divine judgement was awaiting them would have been stupid enough to risk eternal damnation for earthly gain.

And loai this discussion has been had before at x-s, and will be had again. If you don't like it don't click on it. It is as valid as any other topic of debate on x-s, and there is no need for it to be a destructive discussion if people are just mature about their views being *OPINIONS* and not the absolute truth.




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