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#1 jesterrace777

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Posted 09 January 2007 - 12:37 AM

Okay several of you have asked me for this in the past and after still seeing the number of "will x brand work on the 360?" type threads, I have finally gotten off of my lazy arse and posted this. Now undoubtedly some noob will come on here and say that this is all BS becuase they have gotten X number of discs to work for brand X, well, even the crappiest of media has success stories but I certainly won't recommend it due to the number of failures, early deterioration, ect. The following has been complied after more than 4 years of personal experience and research (comparing results with people from all over the net for various applications, error rate scans, ect).

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Once again the first thing to learn about media (and D/L media in this case) is the fact that MOST LABELS DO NOT MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN DISCS!!!!!!!!!!! They outsource to one or more manufacturers. This can create serious problems as it is very easy for someone to say pick up Memorex D/L DVD+R and say that it worked great for them and someone else can pick up a different spindle of the same label and not have it work. There are a number of other factors which I will get into later but the fact is that one spindle of Memorex could easily be made by CMC Magnetics and one could easily be made by Ritek. Two different manufacturers with different quality standards for manufacturing media. So you could easily be buying two totally different brands even though they both carry the Memorex label. This is why a number of the media compatibility threads on this forum are so frustrating as they only list the external label and NOT who really makes them which is a much better indication of quality. The easiest way to idenitify the media manufacturer is to use a program such as http://www.dvdinfopro.com and select the media ID icon after popping in the disc that you desire to get the manufacturer information from. Before we go any further it should be noted that I will only cover D/L DVD+R here. D/L DVD-R as a whole is a format that is worthless and overpriced, NOT TO MENTION IT WON'T WORK ON ANY OF THE 360 DRIVES!!!!!!!!! Another thing that should be noted is that this guide not only applies to the XBOX 360 DVD-ROM drives but to ALL OTHER APPLICATIONS AS WELL!!!!!!!!!! Okay now let's start with the various media manufacturers:


THE ONLY D/L DVD+R MANUFACTUER I CAN RECOMMEND WITH CONFIDENCE:

Mitsubishi Kagaku Media -The current valid media ID codes from these gentlemen are MKM001 (official 2.4x rated media that will burn at up to 8x on most late model burners) and MKM003 media (official 8x rated media that will burn up to 10x on some burners). This is what you will find on Verbatim D/L discs at this point. Makes sense since Verbatim is owned by MKM. MKM has by far the most experience making D/L media and definitely stands out from it's competitors in this regaurd both in compatibility and durability. Part of this has to do with the fact that most burner manufacturers have used MKM (Verbatim) media to bench test their burners and help develop specs so it has the widest range of support from all burners. There are other labels besides Verbatim that carry MKM BUT THESE CAN BE REALLY DICEY!!!!!! Part of the problem is verifying authenticity. The easiest way to tell weather or not a given label is genuine MKM is to check the box/spindle and see which country produced them. ALL AUTHENTIC MKM IS PRODUCED IN SINGAPORE!!!!!!!! So if you see any other country on there then they are either some other manufacturer or FAKED. It is possible for Verbatim to outsource to other manufacturers in the future so keep an eye on the country of origin each time you purchase them. That being said as it sits right now Verbatim will offer you the least amount of hassle of any D/L media out there as they are currently all produced by MKM. For those of you who are convinced that these discs are too expensive just remember that they are still FAR CHEAPER than purchasing another original disc and sales on them often put them down into the range where there is very little difference in price between them and their cheaper quality counterparts. For those of you who would like some proof of what kind of results you can generally expect from MKM (Verbatim) have a look at the following collection of error rate scans from various users at cdfreaks:

http://club.cdfreaks...ead.php?t=97058

http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=152852


THE FOLLOWING MEDIA ARE HIT AND MISS, SO USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!!!!!!! THE RESULTS OF THESE CAN VARRY QUITE A BIT DEPENDING ON BURNER/FIRMWARE AND THE DEVICE WITH WHICH YOU ARE PLAYING THEM ON. ALSO REMEMBER THAT THE HITACHI DRIVES IN THE 360 HAVE A TENDENCY TO BE MORE FUSSY THAN THE TOSHIBA-SAMSUNG DRIVES!!!!!!!!!!

RITEK-Outside of MKM they have been producing D/L DVD+R the longest. Unfortunately the quality standards and lack of firmware support from a number of burners makes them a real gamble. RitekD01 is the code found on their 2.4x official rated D/L DVD+R and unlike the Verbatim 2.4x they don't overspeed very well. The D/L Ritek D01 media ID code CAN BE found on the following labels: Ritek, Ridata, Memorex, Traxdata, Tuffdisc, Ridisc, Fujifilm. Ritek also has some official 8x rated media

Here is a scan thread at cdfreaks for those who are interested:

http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=101326


RICOH-Manfactured by Ritek under standards and specifications by Ricoh, these media are becoming as widespread among the D/L media industry as the Ritek discs. Ricoh also has the same quality varriables as Ritek but they also have an additional thorn in their side. Ricoh JPN-D00-01, which is their media ID code for their official 2.4x rated D/L DVD+R, is the most widely faked D/L media ID code on the market. What this means is that cheap chinese and hong kong manufacturers such as INFOSMART are making their media and then stealing Ricoh's basic media ID code and putting it on their discs so that when you run such programs as DVD info Pro, you will see the Ricoh JPN-D00-01 code coming up under media manufacturer. Once again the surest way to avoid the fakes is to check the country of origin. ALL RICOH MEDIA IS PRODUCED UNDER CONTRACT WITH RITEK IN TAIWAN!!!!!!!! So if the discs are made in any other country and still claim the Ricoh media ID code then you know they are fakes. Ricoh CAN BE found on the following labels: Imation, Memorex, ANY CHINESE OR HONG KONG MANUFACTURER TRYING TO STEAL THEIR ID CODE. Here are a couple of tests of the media at cdfreaks:

http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=127175


CMC MAGNETICS-Another D/L manufacturer that is on the rise is CMC Magnetics. As with the other two though, it's compatibility/quality depends on a number of variables. CMC MAG D01 is the official 2.4x media ID code and CMC MAG D04 is their official 8x media ID code. CMC MAG CAN BE found on the following labels: Phillips, HP, Bulqpaq, Datasafe, Ridisc. Here are the quality scans:

http://club.cdfreaks...ad.php?t=169283


The remaining D/L manufacturers are the likes of Infosmart in Hong Kong/China who manufacture the lowest quality garbage and then have to try to steal media ID codes from other manuacturers to sell their media. Simple rule is ANY media that is made in China/Hong Kong should be avoided at all costs.

FOR USERS IN UK/EUROPE YOU FOLKS HAVE AN ADDITIONAL HEADACHE!!!!!!!! You have the lovely E-Net labels to content with. E-Net is a budget media distributor who grabs whatever media they can find and slap their own labels on it. The problem is not that the media is always crap, it's simply inconsistant. That and they will often grab B-Grade stocks from manufacturers, do overprints, ect. So in addition to the fact that you never know what manufacturer to expect from spindle to spindle you also have to worry about overprints, grade quality, ect. Seen it happen so many times where E-net will sucker people in by releasing some decent quality stuff to start a new media label/line and then when they hook a bunch of people they swap out to another manufacturer, lower grade, ect. This applies to both SINGLE LAYER AND DOUBLE LAYER DVD+R!!!!!!!!!!!! The lovely E-net labels to watch out for are the following: Datawrite, Datasafe, Ridisc, Rivision, Bulqpaq, Tuffdisc and White Label.

I have tried to be as comprehensive as possible here and if you happen to find one of the above store labels with a different ID code than I have listed or a new media manufacturer, please feel free to add it to the list. Unfortunately brand name labels have no loyalty so this will be a work in progress.

Edited by jesterrace777, 09 January 2007 - 12:38 AM.


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Posted 09 January 2007 - 01:14 AM

Wow , great info Jesterrace777,

For all those interested in scanning your Dvd after a burn a good tool is Nero CD-DVD Speed (freeware available here and as part of NERO).

Not all DVD burners are good scanners, i.e. unfortunately the Pioneer is not recognize as a very reliable scanner.
Brands that are recognized for that ability are LiteOn, Benq (Up to the 1655 I believe), Plextor and a few others.

You can find a lot of info on what makes a good scan at http://club.cdfreaks.com/. Some good starter info in the Media Testing/Identifying Software and Blank DVD Media Tests forums

rgds,soso

Edited by sosotiit, 09 January 2007 - 02:05 AM.


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Posted 09 January 2007 - 03:01 AM

Thanks for adding that, knew I forgot to add something. You are correct that the Benq, Lite-On and Plextor are the 3 most accurate scanners out there. NECs are iffy. Pioneer makes some killer burners but they don't scan worth a shite. The issue with Benq burners is that they don't tend to scan well with discs that are burned on other burners. My personal preference is my own combo. Pioneer 111D for burning, Lite-On 160 for scanning and ripping. wink.gif

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Posted 09 January 2007 - 03:02 AM

excellent post.. added to Backup FAQ at the top for all to see, since this is an all too common questtion when people have backup troubles.

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Posted 09 January 2007 - 07:45 AM

Not even 24 hours old and I already have my first update. Okay the Sony branded D/L DVD+R can either be Ritek or Ricoh (made in Taiwan) or Mitsubishi Kagaku Media (MKM made in Singapore). So if you can find any spindles made in Singapore then jump on them with due post haste while they are on sale as they are the exact same thing as Verbatim.

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Posted 09 January 2007 - 08:04 AM

Eheh,

A lot of stuff that say "MAde in Taiwan" are made in China...

They're made in China, shipped to Taiwan for a stamp, then shipped off again. sleeping.gif

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Posted 09 January 2007 - 08:57 AM

Hence the reason why I stick with Verbatim. wink.gif

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 05:21 AM

Hey i have a question. For those who do more of the shopping online for media, is there a particular part number for the sonys that would be made in singapore?

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Posted 24 January 2007 - 08:03 AM

I don't think so as they don't distinguish by manufacturer and they just send whatever is available. So even if they list MIS Sony and show a picture/part number for it they could easily switch it with MIT Sonys.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 11:40 PM

MIS Sony's are hard to come by in North America. They probably are easier to find in Europe and Asia.

With Verbatim having announced they will produce their DVD+R DL discs out of India beginning February, are people stocking up on the MIS Verbatims?


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Posted 27 January 2007 - 07:25 AM

QUOTE(jon_jon @ Jan 26 2007, 11:47 PM) View Post

MIS Sony's are hard to come by in North America. They probably are easier to find in Europe and Asia.

With Verbatim having announced they will produce their DVD+R DL discs out of India beginning February, are people stocking up on the MIS Verbatims?


Crap, didn't know about that. I would definitely stock up then. Sorry but I don't trust Moser Baer with something as delicate as D/L media production.


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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:22 PM

Update as of 1/28/07

Okay it looks as though it is confirmed that Verbatim will start outsourcing it's D/L media to Moser Baer in India, HOWEVER, MKM in Singapore will still produce SOME of the media that is out there. The easiest way to make sure of what you are buying before you purchase is to look at the spindles for the country of origin. MKM=MADE IN SINGAPORE, Moser Baer=MADE IN INDIA. Of course this creates a bit of a problem when you purchase online as you have no way of telling what you are getting before you purchase. The good news is that this is supposed to help drive the overall prices on the media down so you can get MIS Verbatim for cheaper, it just means you have to buy local and keep an eye out for the country of origin.

http://wesleytech.co...ction-to-india/

Edited by jesterrace777, 29 January 2007 - 07:39 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2007 - 04:54 PM

Excellent Post. Thanks for your hardwork and info. I have always used Verbs myself but will keep an eye out to make sure they are manufactured in Singapore.

Peace

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 06:15 AM

hi
i am a newbie here

just wondering, anyone have any luck with philips Dual layer Dvd+R?

cuz is mad crazy cheap in canada rite now.. on sale at futureshop

thanks

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Posted 09 February 2007 - 09:44 AM

I take it you didn't bother to read the first post. It's all in there. wink.gif




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