Ultimate Av Solution
Posted 02 November 2007 - 03:38 AM
I'm looking for the ultimate AV switch. The problem is I have way too much stuff to hook up. I am looking for a device that will let me hook up close to 20+ assorted consoles and audio/video inputs.
I have considered building the device myself but would prefer to purchase a ready made quality solution.
I am currently using 5 av switches for various consoles, this is extremely unsiteful and a hap hazard means of accomplishing my goal.
What I have as of current:
5+ composite inputs
4+ component inputs
2 Dvi inputs
I am hooking all this up to a 37" 1080p Westinghouse LCD. If at all possible I would like the ability to up convert.
If anyone knows of such a solution or suggestions I'd appreciate it.
Posted 02 November 2007 - 12:17 PM
I am currently daisy chaining 3 of them for composite alone....
Posted 02 November 2007 - 11:58 PM
The joys of being a cable guy. I get paid to hook myself up, then get a bonus for selling myself a High-Def box.
Posted 03 November 2007 - 05:24 AM
I'd suggest the following:
1. a mid-to-high range home theater receiver that upconverts analog signals over component. (I like the Pioneer VSX-1017TX). This gives you the benefit of running minimal cables to the TV. You won't find one that will handle your 5+ composite, 4 component, and 4 S-video inputs though, so you'll then need:
2. A nice component switch that can handle 1080p bandwidth (cheaper ones cannot). You'll be able to find a 4-port one easily.
3. A cheap second switch to handle your composite and S-video inputs.
4. DVI-to-HDMI adapters
So you end up with:
5+ composite inputs: handled by composite/s-video switch
4 component inputs: handled by component switch
2 DVI inputs: handled by receiver (with HDMI-DVI adapters)
4 S-video inputs: handled by composite/s-video switch
One component cable running from receiver to TV
One HDMI cable running from receiver to TV
1 VGA input: direct to TV
1 coax: direct to TV
Many of these switches are rack-mountable or are a standard size and will stack and not be an eyesore.
Posted 03 November 2007 - 02:06 PM
Unfortunately they don't expect consumers to have so many devices.
If you want to start talking specific model numbers and brands for switches I think we should take a look at what you're using today
What do you have for a TV, what resolution does it run, what inputs does it have
What do you have for a Receiver, what inputs does it have does it do video as well and does it offer any scaling features?
What do you have for switches? What inputs/outputs do they have?
Those DVI devices are they DVI-I, DVI-D or DVI-A?
Also if you could give specifics as to the devices your hooking up that might help. Often times it might be beneficial to use a different output mode of a device so knowing what you have will let us know if a certain device can also configured for a different output type.
I've got quite a few devices on my setup as well
DVD player - HDMI/Optical
Xbox 1 - component/Optical
PSOne - Svideo/RCA
Saturn - Composite/RCA
and I have 1 switch and 1 remote
you have to be crafty, daisy chaining is bad news for signal fidelity.
I guarantee you wont get out of this for less than $200
oh and I'm moving this to the HDTV forum.
Posted 03 November 2007 - 05:43 PM
Westinghouse 37" LVM-w1 1920x1080
Inputs on the Tv are:
2 DVI (One DVI limited to 720p)
No tuner - No coax in
My current receiver is more limiting than most. It's an Old VHS Dubbing receiver. ( It's really cool I swear!) ATM the only Composite and Svideo sources are run through this. Otherwise my audio is taken from the back of the TV to the receiver. I can switch 3 composite\Svideo sources here.
As for the switches I have a rather hodge-podge list of relatively inexpensive devices (not so great I know).
Component: Mad Catz 6132 HDTV component selector (Got for free)
Composite\Svideo\Coax: Pelican Universal System Selector + Some cheap Radio shack Av switch.
Dvi's are currently run direct to the TV
What I've got to plug in... (As of today) Both cable options listed if I had them
1 Sega Master System (Composite)
1 Sega CD/Genesis (Composite)
1 NES (Composite)
1 VCR (Composite) - use as a tuner for atari
2 Sega Saturn's 1 Jap + 1 US (S-video or Composite) I could sacrifice 1, but I use it for Netlink
1 PSX (S-video or Composite)
1 Goldstar 3DO (S-video)
1 N64 (S-video)
1 SNES (S-video)
1 Wii (Component)
1 PS2 (Component)
1 Xbox (Component)
1 Dreamcast (VGA)
1 HTPC (DVI)
1 Atari 2600 (Coax)
That's just what I have as of today. I'm in the market for a PS3, and 360 for consoles and considering purchasing a tivo and service for HD content.
Dvi's and VGA are fine direct to TV, it's the others I am more concerned about.
Posted 03 November 2007 - 07:29 PM
Edit: I think this is a dif. model VSX-1017TXV-K
It appears that the receiver has 5 Svideo, 5 Composite, and 3 component, in addition to the 2 hdmi ports.
It appears that the receiver only up converts to component output, or will it up convert over to HDMI?
Edited by EverestX, 03 November 2007 - 07:34 PM.
Posted 04 November 2007 - 04:38 AM
But you're right, the 1017 only upconverts to component. Not really a big deal if you are using the component ins on your TV set anyway. There is a nice Yamaha that upconverts all signals to HDMI, but it's $1000, and also it only converts to 1080i/720p. No 1080p (only 1080p passthrough).
There's an Onkyo HERE that upconverts all signals to HDMI (analog signals to 480p, digital possibly to 1080p) and the price is right, under $350.
I'm sure you have other options too, but a good upconverting receiver is definitely the first step in eliminating some of those switchboxes and the mess of cables.
I too have a bunch of devices. Somehow I've managed to manage with one A/V switch and my receiver.
FTA PVR: Component/Optical
"Workbench" (temp devices): Composite/RCA
I ended up having to get a pricey component switch that does Toslink and doesn't have problems with 720p/1080p. I know twistedsymphony has been there
Let us know how it plays out. There are good A/V folks with a wealth of knowledge here!
Posted 05 November 2007 - 04:53 AM
Is there any compelling reason you need to keep your PSX hooked up since you have a PS2? Similarly is there any compelling reason you need to keep your Gamecube hooked up since you have a Wii?
You said you have 2 Saturns... I assume you're netlinking the two together? otherwise I don't see any good reason to have more than one hooked up at the same time
Do you use the VCR for anything but a tuner for the atari? if not I'd suggest getting a component or S-video adapter, failing that a small stand-alone RF modulator will serve you much better than a VCR.
Final question... the 360 you'll be getting, do you plan on run HDMI, VGA, or Component, or do you even have a preference. Similarly the PS3 will you be running HDMI or component with that?
Now we can consider Composite and S-Video to be essentially the same video type. you can switch between them easily with a cheap adapter if need be and any GOOD switch that supports 1 will support them both.
Also we didn't talk about audio channels...
what does your receiver and TV offer for audio inputs? Does your receiver accept optical/coax SPDIF?
Posted 05 November 2007 - 04:28 PM
The saturns are a dif. story, 1 of them is a jap saturn and 1 is us. I use the US for netlink games as it lets me play my originals, to play Netlink games on the other I will have to J patch all my ISOs. Not only that the card slot is very picky on my Jap saturn and can be a real PITA to swap AR/Mem card/Netlink out of.
The VCR has limited use, It's my only means of palying Rikki-tikki-tavi (I cant find it on DVD!) and as a tuner. I have looked around at local elctronic stores but they do not seam to have an adapter that will go from Coax to RCA. They only seem to cary RCA to Coax for adapting old tv's. In all honesty, I would like to ditch the VHS player.
ps3 and 360 will be HDMI. Plugged in through hdmi > DVI connectors.
My reciever is going to be replaced. It offers only 1 Coax in and no SPDIF support as it was built is the mid 80's. I found a Denon AVR-687 (Cheap! $140 Open box) that looks like a nice replacement but it has no HDMI, so I may look at a higher model, or similar range Onkyo/HK's.
Posted 05 November 2007 - 05:55 PM
Unless you want to front the money on a stand alone scaler for your S-Video devices I think the only thing were going to do here is find a solution to ensure that everything is organized and no signal gets fed through more than 1 switch.
For the 2600 if you're not adverse to soldering you can try any of these S-Video mods here: http://www.cheeptech.../2600mods.shtml
On a budget I'd go with Ben Heck's mod, or if you can front the cache the best solution goes for ~$150ish installed. That all depends on how much you play your 2600. If you're against cracking the case open then you can go to radio shack and buy an "RF Modulator" to convert the coax to S-Video... it wont be sold as a converter or adapter they're called RF modulators and they're sold as such... I saw 5 different models for sale when I was in radio shack last week.
Now you never told me if the DVI ports on your TV were DVI-I or DVI-D and that has some bearing on the next part....
For your DVI/HDMI devices I recommend picking up one of these switches:
If your TV has DVI-I then you could pickup a cheap VGA/DVI adapter for the Dreamcast and run it through the same switch Otherwise I'd suggest plugging the Dreamcast directly into the TV's VGA port.
I'd also recommend getting a Psyclone PSC01 switch.
it's a 4 port switch and can handle component, composite, svideo, stereo rca, optical and even network (though I find network rather useless).
You can hook up your Wii, PS2 and Xbox here... also since it's got both Component AND S-Video Connections you can double up on each of the ports meaning that you could put 4 of your S-Video devices on this switch as well.
Assuming you have at least 5 S-Video inputs on your new Receiver you can use it for the remaining S-Video devices.
I would also recommend purchasing a harmony remote to manage all of these devices... they may seem expensive but I found it to be money well spent. the 360 specific remote is quite nice because it's the only one with ABXY buttons making it handy when using with consoles such as the PS2, PS3, Xbox 1, or Xbox 360
Posted 05 November 2007 - 07:57 PM
Funny you should mention that web page however as the guy recomends the Svideo switch I have HERE
Tv is Dvi-D.
I'd like to thank you guys for helping to answer a lot of my questions!
Posted 05 November 2007 - 09:14 PM
Edited by EverestX, 05 November 2007 - 09:14 PM.
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