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#46 Reaper527

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE(lostboyz @ Sep 10 2008, 05:34 PM) View Post

When even republicans start bashing on "big" business thats when its all down hill. Big business is what makes this country money.


the difference is that the democrats want to fuck small business over too. the tax increases obama proposes will shut down an unthinkable amount of small businesses.

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 06:50 PM

I vote for overthrowing the government plan. Maybe a loose confederation of smaller countries would serve us better... Don't like the policy in one country, move to another! biggrin.gif

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 10:21 PM

QUOTE(aCardboredBox @ Sep 12 2008, 10:26 AM) View Post

I vote for overthrowing the government plan. Maybe a loose confederation of smaller countries would serve us better... Don't like the policy in one country, move to another! biggrin.gif

you can do that now

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 10:36 PM

QUOTE(aCardboredBox @ Sep 12 2008, 02:26 PM) View Post

I vote for overthrowing the government plan. Maybe a loose confederation of smaller countries would serve us better... Don't like the policy in one country, move to another! biggrin.gif

That's how the US was originally to some extent...

the "UNITED STATES"... think about what that means, Most laws were independently determined and governed from state to state and the federal government only served as a broad set of base guidelines for the states as well as managing the inter-connectivity of the states (eg: money, highways, military, etc.)

unfortunately at this point the federal government as grown to the point where it makes all the detailed laws and then LITERALLY BULLIES the states into compliance.

I live in NH... we do not have a seatbelt law here, if you're over 18 you don't need to "click it"... do you realize that law costs NH MILLIONS every years. Because we don't completely comply with the federal seatbelt regulations they deny us our share of highway funding... There are countless examples of this the way the current government is set up. "You do it OUR way OR ELSE"

hearing about garbage like "national health care" is such a monumental step in the wrong directions it's not even remotely funny.... the last thing we need is more overbearing federal regulations telling people what they can and can't do.

The problem is people think we need someone "experienced" in office... experience will never = change, because experience = status quo. Think of all presidents in history who are honored decades after their term... Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, etc. ... NONE of them were career politicians.

The fact of the matter is the greatest presidents in this countries history, the ones the left the biggest positive mark on the country, are those who came from humble beginnings and said "I want to make a difference".


The only politician who will make a difference at this point is someone who knows what it's like to work for a dollar, and understands the need to return power to the states where it belongs....

Edited by twistedsymphony, 12 September 2008 - 10:38 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2008 - 01:20 AM

QUOTE(Just a Shadow @ Sep 8 2008, 03:20 PM) View Post

I really dont see why the VP would make a person more inclined to vote for mccain...


palin governing style has been that of a moderate libertarian. You can argue all you want about her oppinions, but what she has actually done is moderately libertarian. being a libertarian myself, the idea that palin is "just one heart beat away" gives me hope that she will be president. thats why i could stomach say 2 years of mccain, for 10 years of palin.

nice post twistedsymphony
i agree bring power back to the states.

#51 chorizo1

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Posted 13 September 2008 - 03:38 AM

I'll vote for the one with the better lies and bigger promises to break when they get elected.



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Posted 13 September 2008 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 12 2008, 02:12 PM) View Post

I live in NH... we do not have a seatbelt law here, if you're over 18 you don't need to "click it"... do you realize that law costs NH MILLIONS every years. Because we don't completely comply with the federal seatbelt regulations they deny us our share of highway funding... There are countless examples of this the way the current government is set up. "You do it OUR way OR ELSE"

the mere fact that a state is even allowed to reject federal seatbelt regs should tell you something, and denial of federal finding should mean nothing, you want a small federal government anyway, its always amused me how people want a small, weak government when they are being told what to do, but a big strong government when it comes to funding and handouts

i agree that the federal governemnt oversteps its bounds way to often, but youll never see an end to it because people want to have their cake and eat it to, they want more power to the states, but when they screw up they look to the fed to bail them out, state governments just want to pass the buck one more step up the ladder, so whats the fed supposed to do? wouldnt you want to do things your way if you had to eat it everytime something goes wrong?

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Posted 13 September 2008 - 10:28 PM

I see a government no different then a company nowadays, if we are in a deficit with too much government spending, fire people. Wanting a smaller does not equal a small government.

I agree with twisted, there are tons of things today where the government on every level is growing. States or cities are banning smoking indoors when it should be the bar owners choice. There is a place in springfield, MO thats called ziggie's and it had a fairly regular crowd where most smoked, they banned smoking indoors so the guy opened a new place across the street called ciggies and jumped through hoops to make it a dedicated smoking lounge/bar.

When you think you are going to pass a law that will help most of everyone and just put off a select few then you should probably let it go to a lower governing body to decide.

Its the same thing with the marijuana dispenciaries (sp?) in california, where dea agents are still raiding state legal facilities because they have a problem with it.

YAY for socialism though, because its fair for you to work your ass off to pay someone elses welfare, with no motivation to go find a job.

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Posted 14 September 2008 - 10:23 PM

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 12 2008, 11:12 AM) View Post

I live in NH... we do not have a seatbelt law here, if you're over 18 you don't need to "click it"... do you realize that law costs NH MILLIONS every years. Because we don't completely comply with the federal seatbelt regulations they deny us our share of highway funding... There are countless examples of this the way the current government is set up. "You do it OUR way OR ELSE"


QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Sep 13 2008, 05:04 AM) View Post

the mere fact that a state is even allowed to reject federal seatbelt regs should tell you something, and denial of federal finding should mean nothing, you want a small federal government anyway, its always amused me how people want a small, weak government when they are being told what to do, but a big strong government when it comes to funding and handouts


the problem with that response in this particular example is that one of the only intended responsibilities of the fed government was to provide interstate infrustructure to allow for trade between states. NH pays into the fed coffers with the expectation that they will provide the basic infrustructure for trade as do we all. Now here i am in another state, and if i want to do business with NH, or i want to do business with a state surrounding NH I am being punished as well because of this violation of the social contract by the federal govt. They should either provide the basic infrustructure needed, or give the money back.





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