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#1 limbfilter

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Posted 29 October 2008 - 06:29 PM

Now, the "S" word has been thrown around a lot lately.....People generally fear the term. But there are different reasons for the fear...
There's the irrational type which views socialism as evil. It's not evil. In fact it's a nice idea in theory. And could work, and has worked with certain situations.
Then there's the rational fear which views socialism as an idea that cannot work for America. Putting it into place would erode the American way of life.

Now, there's both types of people throwing the term around. So please realize that there are those of us that DO NOT think that Obama is an evil man. We just believe that ANY move towards socialism goes against the America for which our founding fathers laid the foundation.

So with that, I link:
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more on '96

2001

You know....For someone who says he's not socialist....

I brought the first link into this because of how it mentions Ronald Reagan. Apparently, the KKK endorsed him. He had no control of that at all. But I thought it would be interesting to compare.
Let's pretend that a candidate was running, who was backed by the KKK, had been to several KKK meetings and given a speech at one of them, had an acquaintance that believed like the KKK and had burned down several black churches when the candidate was young and after knowing the candidate had said that he had wished that he had done more, and had on at least 2 occasions been caught paraphrasing Hitler in a positive way. And what if this candidate's tax plan gave credits to people living in neighborhoods with their own kind?
Would that bother you? Would anyone be debating his views? Now you wouldn't be able to call him a member of the KKK....But you could come to the conclusion that he is racist.

Oh...This also caught my eye:
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#2 melongstrike

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 03:36 AM

I am not sure if there is any bigger example of "socialism" than bailing out wall street. Now the government owns/ partially owns a considerable amount of investments/property/stake in.../etc.

I don't get you folks sometimes... please get off it.

I vote soon enough and Obama will NOT get my vote but come on...

#3 limbfilter

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 06:25 AM

well, yeah...I know that...So just think about what a man like Obama and a congress, full of democrats who passed that, could do....

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Posted 01 November 2008 - 05:59 AM

Thinking about it physically got me ill. (BP well over 164/110) I had to back off of the politics because it was literally making me sick.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 12:34 AM

Well if Obama's "Socialism" makes you ill, how does McCain's make you feel?


He may be making different comments now, but that is purely a political move and not how he has historically spoken and voted.

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 06:19 AM



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Posted 04 November 2008 - 03:00 PM

Its people's comments in that video hamwbone provided that make me sick.

What does she think the money for her gas and mortage payments are going to fall out of the sky? Alot of people are thinking this way to, weak ass people...



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Posted 05 November 2008 - 04:21 AM

The US has had socialistesque policies for years, people just throw around the term like it's foreign and evil like communism once was.

#9 limbfilter

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 12:15 PM

QUOTE(throwingks @ Nov 2 2008, 07:10 PM) View Post

Well if Obama's "Socialism" makes you ill, how does McCain's make you feel?


He may be making different comments now, but that is purely a political move and not how he has historically spoken and voted.

What the hell are you talking about? Raising taxes isn't socialism...Are you saying because he had said that everyone's tax should be raised? I really don't follow....

Show me a plan where McCain wanted to raise taxes on the rich just to have money for programs for the poor...

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Yeah....I said that in the first post...


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Posted 05 November 2008 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE(limbfilter @ Nov 5 2008, 06:51 AM) View Post
What the hell are you talking about? Raising taxes isn't socialism...Are you saying because he had said that everyone's tax should be raised? I really don't follow....
Edit:Here is a condensed version of video below:


Another video. McCain used to be for taxing rich people more than middle class Americans. Strengthen Middle Class America. That is Obama's stance now, and all of a sudden it is blatant Socialism. I don't believe the hype. I don't think Obama is a Socialist anymore than McCain 2000 was.

Edited by throwingks, 05 November 2008 - 03:45 PM.


#11 limbfilter

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 03:57 PM

again....you are not understanding....Obama wants to tax the rich for the sole purpose of giving it to the poor. that is what ties him to socialism....
McCain wanting to tax the rich instead of the middle class is nowhere near socialism. If he wanted to take rich money to give it to the middle class then yeah...
It's spreading it around...that's socialistic. Not the actual taxing.
Just because that girl said socialism doesn't make it so.

Edited by limbfilter, 05 November 2008 - 04:01 PM.


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Posted 05 November 2008 - 04:16 PM

QUOTE(limbfilter @ Nov 5 2008, 10:33 AM) View Post

again....you are not understanding....Obama wants to tax the rich for the sole purpose of giving it to the poor. that is what ties him to socialism....
No he doesn't. He wants to tax the rich to get money to make up for the huge debt we are in. He doesn't want to tax the middle class and poor cause they cannot afford it, because of the shape of the economy. He will continue with the EIC because when money is moving through the economy it stimulates the economy. That is a bi-partisan idea. Republicans and Democrats back and utilize that plan. It is not new, and it is not Obama's idea.
EIC Wiki: http://en.wikipedia....come_tax_credit
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McCain wanting to tax the rich instead of the middle class is nowhere near socialism. If he wanted to take rich money to give it to the middle class then yeah...
It's spreading it around...that's socialistic. Not the actual taxing.
Just because that girl said socialism doesn't make it so.
I don't disagree. But, McCain would not stop EIC. So, that puts him in the same boat.

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE(throwingks @ Nov 5 2008, 10:52 AM) View Post

He wants to tax the rich to get money to make up for the huge debt we are in.


arguable point there. i think his new spending will be greater than his raised taxes. in the end i think our taxes will go up as our deficit increases. even cbs put out an article saying that "if obama saves every penny from iraq, and has his tax increase, and cuts all the pork he promised, that still won't pay for his new programs"

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE(limbfilter @ Nov 5 2008, 10:33 AM) View Post

again....you are not understanding....Obama wants to tax the rich for the sole purpose of giving it to the poor. that is what ties him to socialism....

again, youre confused... 'taxing the rich and giving to the poor' != socialism... again, i ask yo to look it up...

QUOTE(throwingks @ Nov 5 2008, 10:52 AM) View Post

No he doesn't. He wants to tax the rich to get money to make up for the huge debt we are in.

that will never happen... the US will never be out of debt unless they basically pretend it never existed... have you ever thought about how there is now a money supply of 100's of trillions of dollars (theoretically) compared to decades ago when it was in the billions? how is that 'new money' made? a massive fucking debt cycle... the US will NEVER be out of debt...

Edited by gcskate27, 05 November 2008 - 07:53 PM.


#15 limbfilter

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 02:27 AM

QUOTE(gcskate27 @ Nov 5 2008, 02:25 PM) View Post

again, youre confused... 'taxing the rich and giving to the poor' != socialism... again, i ask yo to look it up...

Maybe you are confused. Maybe you don't see it as an attempt to eliminate the lower class. If you think it's not socialism, then give me a better word. It's not making everyone equal, sure. But if you've got a better word then let's have it.

@throwingks
Here is a list of Obama’s 7 proposed tax credits:

“- A $500 tax credit ($1,000 a couple) to “make work pay” that phases out at income of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 per couple.

- A $4,000 tax credit for college tuition.

- A 10% mortgage interest tax credit (on top of the existing mortgage interest deduction and other housing subsidies).

- A “savings” tax credit of 50% up to $1,000.

- An expansion of the earned-income tax credit that would allow single workers to receive as much as $555 a year, up from $175 now, and give these workers up to $1,110 if they are paying child support.

- A child care credit of 50% up to $6,000 of expenses a year.

- A “clean car” tax credit of up to $7,000 on the purchase of certain vehicles.”

Now...These are are new plans and new numbers. If taxes are raised on just the rich, then guess where the money to pay for all of this is coming from? If he also wants to use that money for debt then that's worse...Because the amount he wants to raise taxes won't even pay for all of those plans...The math doesn't work.




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