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#1 CrysisLTU

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:18 PM

My Xenon Xbox 360 has 0022 (sometimes it jumps to 0021, but most of the time its 0022) and when I was looking for any missing components on the bottom of the motherboard I found this scratch: IPB Image
The scratch is going through the connections that connect the CPU to the GPU. I'm not sure if there is any damage. Could that be the cause of the RRoD? I did not create that scratch, I bought this Xbox used and it was repaired by someone else. The scratch is barely visable, and it seems like it's not deep. High res photo: http://i41.tinypic.com/35lt208.jpg

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:38 PM

QUOTE(CrysisLTU @ Apr 22 2012, 05:18 PM) View Post
My Xenon Xbox 360 has 0022 (sometimes it jumps to 0021, but most of the time its 0022) and when I was looking for any missing components on the bottom of the motherboard I found this scratch: [big image]
The scratch is going through the connections that connect the CPU to the GPU. I'm not sure if there is any damage. Could that be the cause of the RRoD? I did not create that scratch, I bought this Xbox used and it was repaired by someone else. The scratch is barely visable, and it seems like it's not deep. High res photo: http://i41.tinypic.com/35lt208.jpg


Unlikely, it looks like the traces are still intact.


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Posted 22 April 2012 - 05:51 PM

What could be the cause of the RRoD then? :/

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:05 AM

QUOTE(CrysisLTU @ Apr 22 2012, 06:51 PM) View Post

What could be the cause of the RRoD then? :/


99% is cold solders under the GPU... reball or reflow.. smile.gif

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:44 AM

Scratch doesn't look deep enough

For the 0022 - I'd put my money on lots of solder bridges under the Cpu chip.

Did you heat gun the chips ?

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:08 PM

I did reflow like 3 times using an oven. Before the reflow, I was always getting 0021, but now I always get 0022.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE(CrysisLTU @ Apr 24 2012, 02:08 PM) View Post

I did reflow like 3 times using an oven. Before the reflow, I was always getting 0021, but now I always get 0022.


OVEN Reflow????? seriously???

Propably you have done more bad than good.. In this case all chips can be damaged... You are going in blind my friend.
There is minimum hope to help you if you tell us exactly how you did that Oven reflow, how you covered the board, what was exposed etc.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:03 PM

First layer - tape. Covers capacitors and other small parts
Second layer - foil. Covers components that are covored in tape.
Third layer - cotton shirt. Covers everything exept CPU, GPU, RAM, SB, ANA
Fourth layer - foil. Covers the shirt. Several layers of this.

I don't see any damage, at least what's visable seems good. Capacitors look great, none of them leaked or popped.

BTW, I did use no-clean flux when reflowing.

Edited by CrysisLTU, 24 April 2012 - 05:05 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE(CrysisLTU @ Apr 24 2012, 07:03 PM) View Post

First layer - tape. Covers capacitors and other small parts
Second layer - foil. Covers components that are covored in tape.
Third layer - cotton shirt. Covers everything exept CPU, GPU, RAM, SB, ANA
Fourth layer - foil. Covers the shirt. Several layers of this.

I don't see any damage, at least what's visable seems good. Capacitors look great, none of them leaked or popped.

BTW, I did use no-clean flux when reflowing.


Can you post photos of the CPU, GPU, NB, RAM chips from the same angle as the one you posted with the scratched trace?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:44 PM

Here you go:
http://i46.tinypic.com/28un3mb.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/99i6xf.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/2ntkz0g.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/1t1lzk.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/wtv0k.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2rdgn6w.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/345y1i1.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/28k0lfc.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2gsh0gg.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2q8a4oi.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/34ysgzk.jpg
Yeah, sorry, not the best quality. My camera is not focusing right.

Edited by CrysisLTU, 25 April 2012 - 07:46 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:47 AM

http://i50.tinypic.com/2gsh0gg.jpg
clearly shows that the gpu is warped its knakered since
a a pro wont touch it now
b cheaper to replace the unit anyway
c oven reflow??? (all references to all these outdated bodges should be removed come on man its 2012!!!) not 2006!!

Edited by sinclairuser, 26 April 2012 - 03:11 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:23 AM

Indeed I notice some flex on the GPU as well. The only solution is to reball the GPU, honestly. Also the white thermal compound must be cleared from all components as much as possible. Use Arctic Clean, makes wonders smile.gif
By the way... be sure you have cleaned the board from dust, I think I see some sitting around on the board.
Generally don't keep your hopes too much high. Since you did "Oven reflow" , you might have burned some essential components.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 02:10 PM

QUOTE(sinclairuser @ Apr 26 2012, 04:47 AM) View Post

http://i50.tinypic.com/2gsh0gg.jpg
clearly shows that the gpu is warped its knakered since
a a pro wont touch it now
b cheaper to replace the unit anyway
c oven reflow??? (all references to all these outdated bodges should be removed come on man its 2012!!!) not 2006!!

The board is not warped, it's just a weird effect, like I said, my camera is doing weird things for some reason. Looking at the board from the same angle and it's not warped like that.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:39 AM

sorry man my bad (if it is the camera)
but what i said still stands ANY phat is least 3 yrs old most are 4-7 years old way past serviceable life not worth your time sorry but its true

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:36 AM

I think I'll be saving my money for a Jasper motherboard. But still, if anyone knows how to fix this error, any advice would help.

Edited by CrysisLTU, 28 April 2012 - 10:37 AM.





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