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#16 Stealthy

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 04:11 AM

QUOTE (eXess @ Sep 5 2004, 10:06 PM)
So here I am, not connected to anything but my XBOX via Ethernet Crossover Cable. Using nothing but FTP when I get a Norton Antivirus warning for BD_BugBear. Says that the IP Address of my XBOX is attempting an exploit of this virus, and it is blocked on a specific port.

Thinking that the virus must actually exist on my laptop, I do a full scan in safe mode. Finding nothing, I download the Bugbear removal tool from Symantec. Still, nothing is found.

Could it be that the virus exists on my XBOX? I have loaded numerous applications on the modded XBOX. Perhaps one contained a virus? Why else would it look like the attack was coming from my XBOX IP Address? If it originated on the PC, wouldn't it say it was coming from 127.0.0.1, or the IP address of my laptop ... ? Why would it mention the IP of the XBOX?

I must have a virus on the XBOX!? And there is no removal tool...............

Any ideas?? ohmy.gif

^^^ it is possible that you could have ftp'd a pc virus to your xbox but yeah, that sounds creepy blink.gif

#17 GoldStar

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE (ja5983 @ Aug 13 2004, 12:37 AM)
you know, this reminds me of a story a DirecTV employee once told me. Well apparently the hacked cards were going out of control. DirecTV had the ability to update the cards via their system and used this method to destroy the cards regularly...not that big a deal....heres the virus though. Over a year the DTV satellites would send random pieces of code that were meaningless to the cards. The cards would store this code, after a year, the code was updated with their equivalent of an executable and executed. What this program did was rewrite all the access software of the system with a new access "operating system" making reflashing the cards and using the previous DTV hacks impossible. When the data on the cards was analyzed, it was found that the last line of code was "GAME OVER." If anyone has something to add to this please do, but you can research it on the net for more.

more of an interesting story than anything, but i was basically just saying that spacefrogs idea is not THAT far from the truth and has virtually been done before.

I remember that day, Its called "Black Sunday" The H cards were useless for some while untill a bootloader was developed that bypassed the damaged sections of the card and it allowed it to boot up again. Now DTV's just finished discontinuing their HU card and have they've been replaced with some other card (that wont be hacked in a longg time) Just a little extra info on that useless subject.

#18 Hopeful

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Posted 07 September 2004 - 12:46 AM

I have had this same question for quite a while actually, wondering why with all these talented scene programmers, someone hasn't made a heuristics enabled antivirus program for the xbox. I mean it sounds like that might be a brilliant idea if one of those talented people ever come up with it. It is obvious that it is possible to exploit the xbox kernel and programs with viruses that would not be on pc antivirus program lists. It was cool to stumble upon that someone else had made this post.

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Posted 07 September 2004 - 04:23 PM

I wrote about the potential for an m$ ECM directed at a modded xbox as my first post in the forums. Essentially I was laughed out of the thread. I couldn't understand why m$ would not want to take out every modded xbox in the form of an ECM similar to DirecTVís until now. The modded xbox has served as an excellent proving ground for xbox media center. Why is this important? M$ is getting ready to launch their entire line of windows media center products in the coming months. Basically the focus of this line is to take your computer and turn it into the ultimate entertainment center (sounds like a modded xbox) with all of the capabilities of xbox media center, mythtv, windows media player etc. . The modded xbox has served as a quasi-free means of testing the future of home entertainment. They will make many more millions (if not billions) thanks to a modded xbox. I would expect any form of "virus" directed at the xbox to come from an eccentric modder.
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#20 Ed_209

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Posted 08 September 2004 - 04:43 AM

Oh no! What if halo 2's title screen asked you to press L, R, back, and start to play?! Most newbie people with xboxes wouldn't know how to disable IGR and a lot of people would be screwed!!!

Or what if MS played dumb and made a 'secondary' dashboard coincidentally called "evoxdash.xbe" that overwrote your dashboard!!! Can MS get in trouble for this if they 'didn't know' there was an evoxdash.xbe file?

Or what if MS could detect if the xboxes TSOPs write-enable pads are 'enabled' and tried to reflash their bios with a regular one?!

I am only partially joking around here, I really don't think anyone is going to go out of their way to make viruses for xboxes... most kids only want to bring down Windows (98, XP, etc)... a lot of kids hate MS and modding xboxes overall 'hurts' micro$ofts business model so 'micro$oft haters' trying to hurt the homebrew xbox scene would just be doing the opposite of what they want. But then again, most kiddie wannabe hackers out there just get a kick out of pissing people off and trying to break anything that isn't theirs knowing that someone out there is pulling their hair out and kicking their dog around. grr.gif

#21 anti-hu

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Posted 08 September 2004 - 06:39 AM

QUOTE (eXess @ Sep 5 2004, 10:06 PM)
So here I am, not connected to anything but my XBOX via Ethernet Crossover Cable. Using nothing but FTP when I get a Norton Antivirus warning for BD_BugBear. Says that the IP Address of my XBOX is attempting an exploit of this virus, and it is blocked on a specific port.

Thinking that the virus must actually exist on my laptop, I do a full scan in safe mode. Finding nothing, I download the Bugbear removal tool from Symantec. Still, nothing is found.

Could it be that the virus exists on my XBOX? I have loaded numerous applications on the modded XBOX. Perhaps one contained a virus? Why else would it look like the attack was coming from my XBOX IP Address? If it originated on the PC, wouldn't it say it was coming from 127.0.0.1, or the IP address of my laptop ... ? Why would it mention the IP of the XBOX?

I must have a virus on the XBOX!? And there is no removal tool...............

Any ideas?? ohmy.gif

first try and guess the number of viruses/trojans norton does not pick up and then goto http://www.free-av.com/ and install their virus scanner which is free and start counting. i've looked at dozens of computers that had their norton updated and it would not detect a thing. i would throw freeav on there to discover a stable full of trojans. you've got nothing to use considering it's free to home users so you can always go back to norton if it does not cut your mustard.

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Posted 08 September 2004 - 01:22 PM

about the questions about virus, I am not sure, but isnt the xbox just running ONE xbe at the time ?? you can call other XBE's to run but not at the same time right ??

so if anyone says their xbox has a virus it can only be the current program/game that is running that is the virus, and if there IS viruses for xbox they must be standalone programs that the USER himself chooses to run..

#23 Shaggygod

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Posted 08 September 2004 - 04:26 PM

wow directv sux just go with dish network and get there older box.... (cannot remeber the model#) but anyway you cant "hit" the box or send other code to scramble it.. ill have to find the model # i know that it is an hd reciver tho

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Posted 08 September 2004 - 05:28 PM

If the virus is on your xbox but it is a PC virus, it won't affect your xbox. It shouldn't even be trying to send itself over to your computer because, as I said, if it is a PC virus it wouldn't be able to send itself over to the PC on it's own because it's commands would be for a PC. The only way you could get it off the Xbox would be to download the infected file off of your Xbox on to your PC. Unless someone has written a virus that can detect what system it is running on and has 2 forms of itself in one package and will run the virus on both systems(not likely). I probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Just rambling.

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Posted 09 September 2004 - 11:18 AM

why dont you just reformat the xbox h/d that would get rid of it beerchug.gif

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Posted 10 September 2004 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE (Puskas @ Sep 8 2004, 02:25 PM)
but isnt the xbox just running ONE xbe at the time

yes, an xbox can only run one prog at at time - so. what was running at the time, anything with ftp serving?. I seriously doubt eXess' xbox has a virus - but - there's all manor of reasonable (pc side) reasons that norton is throwing up that warning.

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Posted 10 September 2004 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE (noselessmonk @ Sep 8 2004, 06:31 PM)
If the virus is on your xbox but it is a PC virus, it won't affect your xbox. It shouldn't even be trying to send itself over to your computer because, as I said, if it is a PC virus it wouldn't be able to send itself over to the PC on it's own because it's commands would be for a PC. The only way you could get it off the Xbox would be to download the infected file off of your Xbox on to your PC. Unless someone has written a virus that can detect what system it is running on and has 2 forms of itself in one package and will run the virus on both systems(not likely). I probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Just rambling.

Uh, what I'm saying is that, the virus could infect your xbox files when it spreads. They now contain the virus. When you ftp your xbox files over to your xbox, BOOM, virus is not on the xbox. Sure, it can't move itself onto it, but you can move it there without knowing.

DeadManWalking... How desireable is it to rebuild over 100 GB's consisting of HUNDREDS of programs, media files, and utilities, because you reformatted your hard drive, some of them requiring strenuous setup, when a simple virus removal solution would save you weeks of work?




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