Mac Subliminal Messages Options

[XeroKitsune]

Of course they donated to the schools.  Schools could build their own PC's (or linux boxes) for 200 bucks a pop and if they had the sense they could standardize their hardware making it easier to upgrade. Upgrading apple costs real money.  Not to mention the fact that it made the transition to Powerschool (tons of money) seem like the only option for student data management.  MS.... I mean Apple are masters in marketing.

Well ontop of upgrading and fun costs, it helps shove Mac down the throat of kids. Gotta get them addicted young, so thier mom and dads can go bankrupt buying the same systems they learned on at school.

[powercntrl]

Of course they donated to the schools.  Schools could build their own PC's (or linux boxes) for 200 bucks a pop and if they had the sense they could standardize their hardware making it easier to upgrade.

I thought the same thing back when I went to middle/high school and it was really rare to see anything newer than an Apple II/e. I didn't however, think about how much work would have been required to set up and support a PC network. Who would build the PCs? Who would support them when the $200 bargain basement parts start popping? Who would configure and install Linux on every machine? Paying an IT staff costs money, the same stuff that can be used to buy machines that don't require so much attention to "just work".

Realistically, it comes down to buying prebuilt manufacturer-supported PCs, like Dells. If the computers are going to be used for the typical school things, it comes down to providing web browsing, a word processor and graphics/animation/cad applications. This can be done just fine on a Mac without the issues of Windows exploits/viruses/worms/spyware. So the schools can, you know, teach the subjects at hand to the students, instead of Windows troubleshooting.

I think there was even a thread here awhile back about what software you always install on a virgin copy of WinXP... Spyware detectors, antivirus, firewalls, etc. You know what you do with a brand new Mac? Plug it in and press the power button. If you're a computer guru, that probably has no value. If you have a class to teach today, it does.

Upgrading apple costs real money.

Most schools buy the machines, then use them the way they came stock until they're eventually replaced completely. Yeah, you can get new PC motherboards and processors pretty cheap, but who's going to spend weeks installing them, reinstalling Windows, and working out the compatibility quirks? Unless the school does IT training, chances are, they're not really interested in messing around with the innards of their computers.

[bluedeath]

I thought the same thing back when I went to middle/high school and it was really rare to see anything newer than an Apple II/e.  I didn't however, think about how much work would have been required to set up and support a PC network.  Who would build the PCs?  Who would support them when the $200 bargain basement parts start popping?  Who would configure and install Linux on every machine?  Paying an IT staff costs money, the same stuff that can be used to buy machines that don't require so much attention to "just work".

Realistically, it comes down to buying prebuilt manufacturer-supported PCs, like Dells.  If the computers are going to be used for the typical school things, it comes down to providing web browsing, a word processor and graphics/animation/cad applications.  This can be done just fine on a Mac without the issues of Windows exploits/viruses/worms/spyware.  So the schools can, you know, teach the subjects at hand to the students, instead of Windows troubleshooting. 

I think there was even a thread here awhile back about what software you always install on a virgin copy of WinXP...  Spyware detectors, antivirus, firewalls, etc.  You know what you do with a brand new Mac?  Plug it in and press the power button.  If you're a computer guru, that probably has no value.  If you have a class to teach today, it does.
Most schools buy the machines, then use them the way they came stock until they're eventually replaced completely.  Yeah, you can get new PC motherboards and processors pretty cheap, but who's going to spend weeks installing them, reinstalling Windows, and working out the compatibility quirks?  Unless the school does IT training, chances are, they're not really interested in messing around with the innards of their computers.

Amazing how little we expect from our education system. Those who are troubled by spy ware and the like are weak minded fools. You describe a need for disposable computers and the best way to fill that is through dell or Mac? That's crazy. One IT person who actually knows what they are doing could easily provide hardware and software support for Linux and Windows machines.

[buttface96]

My school has, and always will have macs. The main tech teacher there is a mac addict. I think she is going to retire soon or leave schools, ever since i heard that rumor I have been seeing mac's, little by little, being replaced with Dell Pc's. It could just be a quiecidence since she might be leaving soon and the new person likes pc's but i dunno. We have always used Mac's there

[killerbootsman]

In my technology/woods class, our teacher has macs, because he finds it easier to get them all on a network, and they are easy to setup. In my Computer Tech class, the teacher has PC's and only about 3/4 of them dont have viruses, or other malfunctions. I couldnt dream of sitting in front of a mac at my house, but i must admit; they are school friendly.

This post has been edited by killerbootsman: May 5 2005, 02:01 AM

[br0w]

i grew up with macs in elementry school in good 'ol hillbilly land in georgia (i know reside in burntscrotum, NM). we had 2 things, macontoshes and pc's with dos. i think that people go toward macs becuase their sheer simplicity. i too couldnt see a mac in my home, but in schools i think they work. personally, i want linux in classrooms, seeing as they have more educational value, but then people would complain how hard they are to use. but machines with XP are whats in here, becuase MS is taking steps toward simplicty. just look at sp2, it sets up a wifi network automatically.

but i do hate elitist asshole mac users, who think they are above everyone else becuase they use a computer that is white, and has a different OS. OH GAWD URE A REBEL. if you want to be a rebel, go with *nix or skyOS. all i say to those people is "hey, ONE BUTTON MOUSE". watch them turn red.

This post has been edited by br0w: May 5 2005, 02:10 AM

[Rassilon666]

Shit.. some seriously ignorant fools in here..

1. its called product placement, all companies do it. Damn pepsi and theire "subliminal" messages in movies! idiot.

2. Macs look much better than PCs, its a fact. Movie directors want attractive sets, which counts out a huge ugly PC tower.

3. The computer in Jurrasic Park was a Mac also: a Macintosh Quadra 700, but it was running A/UX which was Apple's version of Unix they used on servers in the 80s and early 90s.

4. OSX IS UNIX. Its a Mach microkernal on top of BSD unix. you can compile and run any unix command line program, and X11r6 is included, so you can run programs with a X windows gui.

5. You can plug in ANY USB mouse into a mac. I use a 5 button mouse. The "oh no! one button mouse!" crap was never completely true, and even less so now.

6. No one who is deploying multiple machines has time to fsck around with building PCs themselves. Plus no warrenty support means its a stupid idea for any school or business.

7. support costs money, and Macs require less support. This is one big reason why Macs have been big in education. It has been proven many times that Macs have a LOWER TCO (total cost of ownership) than windows PCs. IT support hates Macs, because Windows gives them job security.

and finally, OS X is so far ahead of win XP, in stability, security, simplicity, flexibility, power and interface.

Some of you should try to open your eyes to the rest of the world.

[br0w]

i personally think that modded cases (windows, neons, fans, paint) look way cooler than *white*













(one button mouse)

[drunkmunk]

i don't understand what apple the word subliminal is supposed apple to mean.
you really think apple that someone would try to get apple you to ipod buy a product simply by apple placing it's ipod name all over the place?

that's crazy apple talk from obviously apple crazy people




































apple

[xboxbox451]

lmao^


This post has been edited by xboxbox451: May 5 2005, 06:51 AM

[XeroKitsune]

7. support costs money, and Macs require less support. This is one big reason why Macs have been big in education.  It has been proven many times that Macs have a LOWER TCO (total cost of ownership) than windows PCs.  IT support hates Macs, because Windows gives them job security.

In my experance the less support of a Mac was primarly due to controled hardware and a lower software support. Windows has for years been blaimed for the stability issues caused by bad drivers and/or flawed software.
Most of IT's from what I have seen is a distaste for Mac is still from the high cost of hardware/software or for thouse that were working with them memories from the pre osX Macs. Yes back in the days of the usefull system errors like a Bomb symbol and an ambiguous error code that said some critical system component crashed(so it could be hardware or any modual). Add to this the querkyness of Mac networking(especialy when dealing with TCP/IP), the lack of default seperation of user documents from an application folder, and the lack of support of application leaves Apple with poor reputation with some members of the IT community.

If Apples were at the marketshare that MS windows machines were the flaws in thier OS would be exploited and parade out. Both platforms at this point are viable, sadly with Apple charging so much more for thier systems(since it's not an open hardware standard) and charging for point relices(tiger, jaguar) if places Apple with higher starting cost. For the cost of one decent Apple machine, you can buy 2 to 4 decent PCs.

[bluedeath]

i don't understand what apple the word subliminal is supposed apple to mean.
you really think apple that someone would try to get apple you to ipod buy a product simply by apple placing it's ipod name all over the place?

that's crazy apple talk from obviously apple crazy people
apple

I laughed myself retarded