Hitachi Got Firmware Stealth, Samsung Got Media Stealth, When we gonna swap around to have complete stealth? Options

[uk_dan2k]

Anyone heard any progress on this yet?

[Tommydukes]

I dont understand the whole stealth thing.....I mean , I know its put in place to shield us from m$ knowing we have the FW hack done.....but why does this make anything different....they have to be able to detect it if they really wanted.

[Gazcoigne]

samsung will never have stealth FW like hitachi, c4eva has already said its not possible.

[uk_dan2k]

samsung will never have stealth FW like hitachi, c4eva has already said its not possible.

That sucks

[shotgunsteve]

I just hope the hitachi drives get media stealth soon

[majik655]

samsung will never have stealth FW like hitachi, c4eva has already said its not possible.

Not that I do not believe you ... I am just interested in reading it... can you point us to where C4eva has stated that it is not possible?

The checksum is stealth just not a dump. I am interested in what he said and/or why.

[garyopa]

Samsung firmware reading is controlled by the microcontroller and as such can be read completely
even if totally blank, the reason why it is easy to flash via DOS and also easy to recover if it is a
bad flash as long as you have your drive key, but also easy to destory your drive key if you flash
without a good backup, as such it is also impossible to make it firmware stealth on the Samsung,
but the current Xtreme firmwares for the Samsung do return the original checksum if asked.

In truth I think Media Stealth is more needed, then firmware Stealth.

[DV8ORMODS]

so whats the difference if its fw stealth or media stealth we already know they can only change the drives and try to prevent the hack but if you think about it were already a few steps ahead for now untill they come out with slot loading mobo drives then were fu___ed

[ricflairandy]

Samsung firmware reading is controlled by the microcontroller and as such can be read completely
even if totally blank, the reason why it is easy to flash via DOS and also easy to recover if it is a
bad flash as long as you have your drive key, but also easy to destory your drive key if you flash
without a good backup, as such it is also impossible to make it firmware stealth on the Samsung,
but the current Xtreme firmwares for the Samsung do return the original checksum if asked.

In truth I think Media Stealth is more needed, then firmware Stealth.

curious as to why you think its not needed and media stealth is?

Also, surley if the samsung reports back the correct checksum, isnt that just as secure as firmware stealth?

[jameswalter]

curious as to why you think its not needed and media stealth is?

Also, surley if the samsung reports back the correct checksum, isnt that just as secure as firmware stealth?

My guess is that MS would build certain functionality into the hypervisor/mainOS that allows checking of the different media checks (PFI,SS,DMI) but probably lacks reading the firmware for detection. Probably also more risky to check the firmware than just having the drive return the media checks. Firmware stealth on the hitachi will return an original dump of the firmware when asked, either an entire read, or even by sector. Much different than just the checksum.

[garyopa]

curious as to why you think its not needed and media stealth is?

Also, surley if the samsung reports back the correct checksum, isnt that just as secure as firmware stealth?

For MS to add code to the kernal to handle reading the firmware would be much work, even if their
Southbridge can handle the commands (some SATA controllers can't).

MS would need to code different sections for each type of drive they have used and then upgrade
the code for their newer drives.

It would be much easier for MS to add code to ask for the DMI and PFI sectors from the disc, as
this code would be the same for all drives and would not need to be updated when MS starts to
use newer drives like the BenQ or LiteOn.

Hence, Media Stealth is better as the firmware will give back the right DMI and PFI sectors when
asked.

"c4e" thinks the "correct checksum" feature for the Samsung is good and the best that is possible
for the Samsung and as such it is good as it can be and basically is just as good as "Firmware stealth"
on the Hitachi.

[ricflairandy]

For MS to add code to the kernal to handle reading the firmware would be much work, even if their
Southbridge can handle the commands (some SATA controllers can't).

MS would need to code different sections for each type of drive they have used and then upgrade
the code for their newer drives.

It would be much easier for MS to add code to ask for the DMI and PFI sectors from the disc, as
this code would be the same for all drives and would not need to be updated when MS starts to
use newer drives like the BenQ or LiteOn.

Hence, Media Stealth is better as the firmware will give back the right DMI and PFI sectors when
asked.

"c4e" thinks the "correct checksum" feature for the Samsung is good and the best that is possible
for the Samsung and as such it is good as it can be and basically is just as good as "Firmware stealth"
on the Hitachi.

Thank you. I guess thats what i was hoping Dont suppose there is much more that can be done for samsung then

This post has been edited by ricflairandy: Oct 11 2006, 12:37 AM

[Mana]

indeed, samsung xtreme hack does everything it can possibly do atm it seems

[garyopa]

There will be a v4 out shortly for the Samsung which will add more "Stealth" features making the
firmware more hidden, from the 360 side but still usable on the PC for ripping games, etc.

[ProdigyXP]

There will be a v4 out shortly for the Samsung which will add more "Stealth" features making the
firmware more hidden, from the 360 side but still usable on the PC for ripping games, etc.

Crap, I knew I should have waited a little longer to upgrade from v2 to v3.2. That's actually a good "crap" though, because I can now take apart my 360 like a Nascar pit crew changes wheels. Thanks for the info Garyopa.