700$ For 360+1game, If you go All Wireless. Options

[minimoebius]

Right ... you have a NES and a SNES, well go and do some research and see how long they have been out, I think you'll find it's quite a lot longer than 5 years .. try over 15.
Now look at the price they were released at ... I think you'll find it's the equivelent to double the cost of the 360. While you're at it .. check the megadrive, PS1, PS2 and xbox release prices.
I think you'll find that the 360 is one of the cheapest consoles ever to have been released.

Now In relation to your 'it lasts a life time' .. I'm going to go and spend $1 on a large stick ... Now that's value for money!

Adjusted for inflation, the NES probably cost more then the 360, but I doubt the SNES did. But, the costs associated with developing and producing technology have gone down over the years. A top of the line PC is much less expensive today than say the 386 was (adjusted for inflation). And back in the early 80s, cellular phones would sell for about $1k. They are much better now and have mp3 players, cameras, etc, and they cost a fraction of the price even before the carrier substities. So just saying that a previous console cost alot to excuse the price of the xbox 360 is a cop out. Technology is getting cheeper and ther is no reason for such a price hike even if it is more advanced than a previous console.

[Plagued]

That's no excuse that technology is getting cheaper. Look at the price of just a graphics card alone that mirrors the performance of the 360. It's more than the console. And just because we're used to things costing this little doesn't mean it's right. People are spoiled due to low costs. Small business are going bancrupt. There is no way the 360 actually costs $300. MS are making a HUGE loss on it, and people are complaining??? Companies even make a loss on the extortionate price of games. MS in perticular have never made a proffit on the xbox, it's just been a marketing tool. Even halo2 just helped reduce the loss.
I remember buying an Atari 800 for programming, that was about the same price as a car. and don't get me started on supermarkets
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[SirGuyO]

MS Took a Loss on the XBOX, They had 500 million alone just for marketing. Then they had to pay off a company whos name they stole (Xbox Technology) They were going to lose money and knew it.

WHY? they wanted in the industry, and had deep pockets to do so.

Now that they got in, its time to make some of that money back.

They plan to make money this time around.

Yes, MS has a lot of money to spend, but if something is not going to be profitable, their not going to continue dishing out money, just to "make some of it back"





This post has been edited by SirGuyO: Nov 2 2005, 02:28 AM

[OC-NightHawk]

damn ..... if you don't want it or can't afford it don't get it. It's not an investment its a toy. Get over it.

[mgamer20o0]

damn ..... if you don't want it or can't afford it don't get it. It's not an investment its a toy. Get over it.

yes.

some times i hate to even come here cuz everyday its another person crying about something. if you dont make more then $15 a hour why dont you go back to school or something. heck i make almost that and i havent been working long. time to bust out the want ads.

[OC-NightHawk]

SirGuy,

I make $20 an hour ... once certified I'll be in the ballpark of $60 an hour. Crestron and AMX rocks! Now those are cool expensive toys. Less then $15 .... are you working in a warehouse? The difference is I spent my money on a education instead of fancy toys upfront. Thats an investment.

Anyways, it's not MS's fault that some gun trotting hillbilly didn't go to school. Here's a thought rather then buying unneeded toys and complaining take your money and go back to school part time. Then get a better job and enjoy the perks of an education.

Best of luck, but seriously invest in yourself.

This post has been edited by OC-NightHawk: Nov 2 2005, 05:01 AM

[sp3cialk]

(Also Im sorry I dont make more than 15$ an hour, I decided to WORK instead of going to school, bad choice, but so be it.)

Dang dude... you need a better job... there are people in my company who didn't graduate high school that make more than that running a primary line... tell your manager at McDonalds you quit and go find a real job... and don't take your gun with you...

MS Took a Loss on the XBOX, They had 500 million alone just for marketing. Then they had to pay off a company whos name they stole (Xbox Technology) They were going to lose money and knew it.

WHY? they wanted in the industry, and had deep pockets to do so.

Now that they got in, its time to make some of that money back.

They plan to make money this time around.

Yes, MS has a lot of money to spend, but if something is not going to be profitable, their not going to continue dishing out money, just to "make some of it back"

do you really think they are making money on this console... not per unit ... they lose money on consoles and make it back with software... do you really think that since the xbox that uping the price to 399.99 is making them money... they are buliding the thing with top of the line parts... not run of the mill stuff.... i bet M$ is still taking a loss per console... they did this originally to get into the console business... now they wanna become the #1 company... they will do what they can (including biting the bullet on a small loss to them) to achieve this...

Like someone else said... if you can't afford it or just wanna bitch about it... don't get one... you can sit home and clean your guns...

[Master X]

Yeah True........

This post has been edited by Master X: Nov 2 2005, 08:48 AM

[Altima NEO]

Uh.. this is pissin me off every1 is bitchin about it.

Think about it... as consoles get better.. they get more expensive.

Its either spend more money.. or not have nxt generation gaming for 5 years.. and the generation after this is gonna be even more expensive.

Hope that made sense.

Thanks

Oliver

Its not so much that they are getting better, as much as it is inflation.

I cant remember, but I think it was penny arcade that compared prices of old consoles with todays inflation, and by comparison, older consoles were actually more expensive than todays new systems.

[ebrunn]

You can spend your money on better things than a gun. what good is a gun. All you can do with it is target shoot with it. Even with conseal and carry you cant go around serving up some of your own justice around town. Xbox is great entertainment and can do alot of things with it.

[tayl0124]

Adjusted for inflation, the NES probably cost more then the 360, but I doubt the SNES did.  But, the costs associated with developing and producing technology have gone down over the years.  A top of the line PC is much less expensive today than say the 386 was (adjusted for inflation).  And back in the early 80s, cellular phones would sell for about $1k.  They are much better now and have mp3 players, cameras, etc, and they cost a fraction of the price even before the carrier substities.  So just saying that a previous console cost alot to excuse the price of the xbox 360 is a cop out.  Technology is getting cheeper and ther is no reason for such a price hike even if it is more advanced than a previous console.

In my opinion you are wrong about tech getting cheaper. Old tech is getting cheaper. but new and advanced stuff is just as expensive. Although the prices don't stay that high for long now. How much do you expect to pay for a technology that isn't out yet. That is the very first wave of the tech? How much did many people pay for a cd-burner/dvd burner when they came out. I remember paying $250 for a 4x cdburner. and almost $2 per blank. Disc. (although I used to buy mitsui gold discs) I still have a few unused laying aorund.

Its not so much that they are getting better, as much as it is inflation.

If you believe the systems aren't getting better. Why don't you go back to your atari, or nes than. and tell me how equal they are to todays games.

[TheMuffinMan]

You don't need the wifi gaming adapter, you don't need the extra controller, so don't complain, I've easily spent over $2000 on my xbox's and as said earlier, older systems were the same if not more than the xbox 360, don't complain about the price, I'm sorry if you can't really afford it......then cut back, don't buy the premium, save the $100, don't buy the wifi, save $100, now you're at $300, don't buy an additional controller, use the wired one you get, save the $50 or $60 it is, buy the game and don't complain.

$360 and as for tax I was only charged $16 for my tax on my premium package, $50 seems way too high


16 + 5 + 3 ish + 3 ish = <$30 not $50

[Jason9875]

If you believe the systems aren't getting better.  Why don't you go back to your atari, or nes than. and tell me how equal they are to todays games.

Wow, the point he was making just went right over your head!

He was talking about prices, and how the fact that consoles are getting better has very little to do with the price hike compared to Inflation.

EDIT: as for his tax count, on the $400 xbox 360 I would pay about $34.80 in taxes, and this of course changes depending on where you live.

This post has been edited by Jason9875: Nov 3 2005, 03:02 AM

[tayl0124]

You don't need the wifi gaming adapter, you don't need the extra controller, so don't complain, I've easily spent over $2000 on my xbox's and as said earlier, older systems were the same if not more than the xbox 360, don't complain about the price, I'm sorry if you can't really afford it......then cut back, don't buy the premium, save the $100, don't buy the wifi, save $100, now you're at $300, don't buy an additional controller, use the wired one you get, save the $50 or $60 it is, buy the game and don't complain.

$360 and as for tax I was only charged $16 for my tax on my premium package, $50 seems way too high
16 + 5 + 3 ish + 3 ish = <$30 not $50

Taxes are different all over the country and world. so it is possable that it could be $50

but you are right, you don't NEED the wireless Adapter. Go out and buy a long cat 5 cable. you will have better stability with that anyways. I preper wired over wireless any day. Unless it is my laptop that I just surf the net with.

[TheMuffinMan]

Ya, I know taxes are different, it's actually 4.5% for me I just guesstimated about 5%, but you don't have to spend all the money at once, wait for the wifi, I'm not paying for that right away, I just need a controller for me, plus $100 for the adapter is way too much in my opinion, I can buy a wireless g router and hack it with linux for $40, why should i pay more than double for the adapter?