Just Not Impressed With Xbox 360 Options

[VOlition]

Tell you what, why don't you go call EA and tell your opinion to them.

[Deftech]

You just proved your naivety again Im afraid.

Why you expect something to be polished from EA is beyond me. Most people here and elsewhere would disagree with you, and are leary of EA games, especially rushed one. They are the one big problem in this industry as far as Im concerned. They can rush out game after game and people still buy it just for the name. The bigger they are, the more crap that comes from them because they get cocky and know damn well they dont have to push the envelope as much as other studios do. Thats a fact.

And what will those ps3 fanboys do when their ps3 launch titles have issues?

What did you say when you went from SNES/Genesis to Saturn/ps1/N64, and those so called next gen systems had frame rate problems?

What did you say when you went from Saturn/ps1/N64 to DC/Ps2/GC/Xbox, and those so called next gen systems had frame rate problems?

Did you want to sell them like you do the 360? Its the same circle, just different times.

Youre entire argument rests on that argument, and I just debunked it.

and Like Voltion said, Please bother EA. YOu havent even played the polished launch games, you played the shitty ones. Come now, rethink where the blame needs to be pointed.

When you have a game that runs at a solid 60fps like COD 2, which is 1000 times harder to run than any EA title, that proves its the developer behind the game thats to blame when you suffer slow down.

This post has been edited by Deftech: Dec 11 2005, 08:54 PM

[Hyp3rion]

there was a whole thign done, they ahve different parts, plus i did a poll on who is having problems with there 360, 33 said they were having problems with their core, 4 with the premium.

its not great evidence but i refuse to buy a core for two reasons

more people are having problems with them

and they are a rip off

I can't beleive people have the front to post such terd statements. Your poll is probably 0.00001% of the 360 comunity and you draw the conclusion that the core is is made of sub standard parts?

I have a core and have played PGR3, Condemed and Kameo with no slowdown or problems. Since 2nd December i have had to restart my 360 once due to a crash and with the amount i have been playing it i'm more than happy.

If you have any substatial evidence that the core and premium are different internally and one performs better than the other provide the link.

PS. The Core is only a ripoff if you intend on buying all the accessories, i'm sure there are many that cant be bothered with the headset and don't own a HiDef TV, andeven with all the addons its a damn site cheaper than a PC upgrade.

[fatlip180]

oh how wrong you are. if you knew anything about game development or games in general you would see how much you contradict yourself. all of the launch games had 80% of their development done on alpha kits (25%-30% of total power) and then moved to the beta kits (60% of power) and then finally moved to the final dev kits in late august early september. that leaves no time in a development schedule to optimize the game for the final hardware. the original xbox version of fifa didnt have slowdown because the developers have had over 4 years to know the hardware and just like Pes4/5 it was a port from the lesser powered ps2 to the xbox, much easier to run smoother on the xbox. if there any games on a system that will run the worst it will be the launch titles. especially with the coming next gen consoles like the 360 where the architecture is entirely different then what developers are used to. not only did they not have the eDRAM until the final dev kits to work with but they also have new technology in the GPU and a multi-core/thread CPU to learn as well. the learning curve for the console is far bigger then any previous generation. thats not to say that its hard to program for but more is needed to be learned until the real power begins to be harnessed. i would go out of my way to say that all of these launch titles barely push 35% of the consoles total power, and if you put that in perspective then you will see how much better they will get. i say do some research and learn about consoles before making such uneducated claims

right so i should do some more research then.

look, not everyone on these forums are experts at game devolpment. I am a consumer.
the post above says why dont you ring EA? if i ring ea and tell them my complaints. do they baffle me with the above? No. Do i need to know all the above to have a complaint about a game and slowdown? no.
All i am saying can be basically put down to this. Why do we have to put up with a game on a next gebn console that suffers from slowdown? Regardless of all the contradictions you have to keep bringing up. ' go and research before making uneducated claims.' ' your wrong' ' your wrong, oh how wrong you are'

end of a 'next gen' game was released with appauling slowdown? should this be ok?

[KAGE360]

Why is my comment so absurd? is it wrong to expect quality for something i just bought?

maybe from a normal developer but we are talking about ea here - a massive massive company,

how much of a good impression does MS want to make? do they not quality check anything?

end of the day wether its a launch title or not do we just lay back and say ' oh well, its a launch title? its to be expected?'

do all the ps3 fanboys look at fifa on xbox 360 and go, 'its a launch title, we'll forgive the framerate issues'

no, they would rightly so slate it.

How could any1, EA or someone else allow a game to pass through with the joke that that is?

wow, you really know little of console development. yes its to be expected because its a launch title. how many consoles have you had at launch?? there is nothing wrong if you expect quality for a new purchase but going to EA is the wrong place to be looking. and no the ps3 fanboys will look at the frame rate issues and vomit crap up like "fifa will run at 120 frame per second on our system!! because out buddy kenny k says so!!" but most of them are as uneducated and confused as you are. to me most EA games are a joke and as far as i know, MS only has a set list of requirements for their games to be passed (widescreen, 720p, etc.) but doesnt actually consult a publisher because of framerate issues. again your looking at the wrong games, how about playing games ACTUALLY optimized for the system like condemned, CoD2, PGR3, or kameo?? if your still dissapointed then this coming generation will be nothing but dissapointments for you.

[KAGE360]

right so i should do some more research then.

look, not everyone on these forums are experts at game devolpment. I am a consumer.
the post above says why dont you ring EA? if i ring ea and tell them my complaints. do they baffle me with the above? No. Do i need to know all the above to have a complaint about a game and slowdown? no.
All i am saying can be basically put down to this. Why do we have to put up with a game on a next gebn console that suffers from slowdown? Regardless of all the contradictions you have to keep bringing up. ' go and research before making uneducated claims.' ' your wrong' ' your wrong, oh how wrong you are'

end of a 'next gen' game was released with appauling slowdown? should this be ok?

technical problems are a regular thing with every new generation. when the xbox, ps2, gamecube, and DC came around and started the 128-bit generation there was still frame rate issues and slowdown with launch titles. it shouldnt be ok, but it should be expected because its entirely new hardware that is not at all familiar to the developers for them to really take advantage of whatever hardware they are working on.

you ask do you need to have the basic understanding to complain and make your comments, well yes if you dont want to make yourself look like an ignorant fool. im not attacking you but more making it apparent to you that you need to know what your talking about before you open your mouth. that is like me argueing with someone about cars and mustangs vs. corvettes when i know nothing about cars, it would make my point a mute point. if you complained to EA they wouldnt care, just like they dont care that their games have slowdown. its a never ending cycle with any next gen launch, stay around for a few more and you will see the same thing happen.

[Jason9875]

Well Im not all that surprised that you weren't all that impressed thanks to that computer of yours.

Heck I wasn't impressed graphics wise and my system is on par with yours.

But I still want an xbox 360. I just couldn't live with myself if I didn't buy Halo '3'.

[fatlip180]

Well Im not all that surprised that you weren't all that impressed thanks to that computer of yours.

Heck I wasn't impressed graphics wise and my system is on par with yours.

But I still want an xbox 360. I just couldn't live with myself if I didn't buy Halo '3'.

Well i wouldnt say that my computer was that powerful, i mean, there are a lot more powerful systems about. I built mine to a budget.

Could some1 suggest me a game that is designed for the xbox 360 that should impress me? but not COD2 or PDZ.

thanks

[Deftech]

Condemned, Kameo, PGR 3, even Ridge Racer(I think). The rest of the launch titles are ports of some sort, or close 2 it. Some dislike Q4, but I thought it was a great Port. Some cant stand the slow down in some areas but Raven is to blame for that, noone else.

[X360Man]

Whats wrong with COD2 or PDZ? Those are 2 of the best launch games in my opinion. Condemned is also good. The fact that you don't want to check out either of the 2 best games seems like you really didn't want a 360 in the first place.. If you just want to bash go somewhere else to do it because so far everything you have said has been answered and compared to previous launches that showed the same... If you expected perfection of the next gen hardware with the games you bought you really should of waited for the second round of games like summerish... So if its all that bad like your saying just go and sell it... somebody here would love to buy it then you get choose whether or not you want to get another one when they start looking "next-gen"

[Chancer]

Well I can't give my opinion on any of the games. I just went to plug in the 360 now for the first time (I had it since tuesday) and.. its faulty so I can't comment first hand.

there was a whole thign done, they ahve different parts

You need to get your facts straight

This post has been edited by Chancer: Dec 11 2005, 08:49 PM

[fatlip180]

Whats wrong with COD2 or PDZ? Those are 2 of the best launch games in my opinion. Condemned is also good. The fact that you don't want to check out either of the 2 best games seems like you really didn't want a 360 in the first place.. If you just want to bash go somewhere else to do it because so far everything you have said has been answered and compared to previous launches that showed the same... If you expected perfection of the next gen hardware with the games you bought you really should of waited for the second round of games like summerish... So if its all that bad like your saying just go and sell it... somebody here would love to buy it then you get choose whether or not you want to get another one when they start looking "next-gen"

look mate if you want to get of your feckin high horse for a second - i said not cod2 or pdz, cause im not really into that sort of game. dont like using a joypad to play fps.

i really want to like the 360 - i had the xbox and loved that. I was disappointed in fifa cause of the slowdown, disapointed in king kong cause graphiclly just wasnt that impressed + the fact i dont like using pads for fps

[Gbeav]

Honestly I don't get why someone can't make a negative comment without other crapping on them. If having your own opinion is wrong on these boards someone should make a sticky.

This post has been edited by Gbeav: Dec 11 2005, 08:51 PM

[TracerX]

I think that the majority of the people on this thread (majority meaning throw out the idiots) are not attacking the opinion of fatlip180 gbeav. Instead, they are simply pointing out that MS cannot be held responsible for the quality of games put out by publishers. That's a bit like saying a certain car sucks simply because the person you have seen drive it is an inexperienced driver. As it has already been said, while these types of things should not be allowed during next-gen launch they are because we the consumers demand that the systems come out as quickly as possible. EA is one of the worst for subpar ports and many of their xbox 360 offerings fail to deliver. I have Madden 2006 for the 360 and while it does look very nice on high-def, it isn't nearly as deep gameplay-wise as the previous Maddens. EA rushed and, as many have said, is notorious for doing the job halfway and still putting the game out there.

[Gbeav]

Well that's a question for which we may never know the answer. Did EA release the games unfinished to make a fast buck or did MS tell them that they have to release games for launch just because the 360 needs more release titles.

It also is a question for backwards compatibilty where we know now the software emulation was not ready. Not saying it won't work but it was definatly not ready and rushed. MS is as guilty as any company in releasing things too early and just saying they will patch things later. That is not acceptable on both situations in my mind.