Do You Think Ms Will Ever Do Well In Japan? Options

[BigMike54]

MS will have to build a warranty service center over there first...so they don't have to spend so much on shipping every other month like I do...

[pipeme]

MS just needs to make some more tenticle rape porn games and they'll capture the japanese market straight away!

[lord^infamous]

I think it's a combo of needing better/more marketing and game developers that Jap gamers are familar with.

[ceez]

dont japanese only like rpg style games?!?! they're not ready for american games!

[Martinchris23]

dont japanese only like rpg style games?!?! they're not ready for american games!

As I'd said earlier in this thread, watch the sales of MGS4. By the argument put by the Japanese gamers, it should pan. I'll put a round of drinks on the fact it'll be the #1 seller in Japan.

[pricemeista33]

Bottom line....Japan will NEVER, EVER ALLOW AN AMERICAN PRODUCT TO PROSPER IN THAT LAND AT ALL. They are a bunch of haters who can't stand the simple fact that M$ came up quick to dominate the gaming world! It's killing them that the Xbox, and 360 are here to stay. Truthfully, the PS1, 2, and 3 really didn't impress me anymore after learning the Microsoft Systems. The Japanese are just a bunch of selfish, big-headed, inconsiderate, prideful, stubborn, ego-tripping, wanna be, and short...........SO STOP HATIN' Hashimoto!
Go Microsoft, go.

[xbox nkotb]

MS definitely need more big japan developer in order to succeed in Japan, proven. Just look at how Ace Combat 6 boost 360 sales, even manage to overtake PS3 sales.

[Mozbius]

The Japanese. Call it pride, loyalty, arrogance, whatever. It should be expected that they don't care about the 360. They have the "similar" PS3.

Remember how identical SNES games looked better than Genesis games?
Remember how identical N64 games looked better than Playstation games?
Remember how identical XBOX games looked better than PS2 games?
Better hardware trumps lesser hardware.

But now the hardware playing field is more level than ever. So If the 360 had the games the Japanese want, they'd buy it, providing that those games were not available for PS3. They'd have to be exclusive to 360, or the Japanese will simply choose the same game(s) on the system of their homeland. Truth be told, we should be doing the same thing (supporting the US born console). I own both. Identical titles, I buy the 360 version. I only have a PS3 for it's exclusives (Warhawk, Turismo, etc).

Huh Doesn't make much sense to me (I mean I don't see the logic of this post) but then again it doesn't mean you're wrong I guess..

[Martinchris23]

The Japanese. Call it pride, loyalty, arrogance, whatever. It should be expected that they don't care about the 360. They have the "similar" PS3.

Remember how identical SNES games looked better than Genesis games?
Remember how identical N64 games looked better than Playstation games?
Remember how identical XBOX games looked better than PS2 games?
Better hardware trumps lesser hardware.

But now the hardware playing field is more level than ever. So If the 360 had the games the Japanese want, they'd buy it, providing that those games were not available for PS3. They'd have to be exclusive to 360, or the Japanese will simply choose the same game(s) on the system of their homeland. Truth be told, we should be doing the same thing (supporting the US born console). I own both. Identical titles, I buy the 360 version. I only have a PS3 for it's exclusives (Warhawk, Turismo, etc).

I missed this before - sorry, but this makes no sense whatsoever.

For starters, the PS3 wasn't out until a year after the 360. There was no 'similar' console in 2005, or for best part of 2006 for that matter.

Remember how identical SNES games looked better than Genesis games?
Remember how identical N64 games looked better than Playstation games?
Remember how identical XBOX games looked better than PS2 games?
Better hardware trumps lesser hardware.

This just confused me. The SNES was better than the Genesis, the Playstation was better than the N64 and the PS2 easily outsold the Xbox. So what's your point about hardware?

Most Japanese will tell you the PS2 is better than the Xbox because of the games.
They will then tell you the PS3 is better than the 360 because of the technical aspects.

Bottom line - whatever excuse works, they will choose Japanese over American - even if it means contradicting themselves at every turn.

[Buffafrocan05]

They need a combination of better marketing and the Japanese Devs. It would be nice to see the bleach series come to 360 =). They better start caring if they want to keep the money flow coming. Plus 360 hardly has any RPG games.

[1nsan3]

I don't like Kidney beans so don't try to force them down my throat

piss on japan we cant understand them anyways.

[Hopeful]

What is up with all the morons and inbred bigots in this thread?

The Japanese aren't "haters" or "conspirators" trying to "stop all western products from succeeding" in their "homeland". That's not only a moronic bigot theory, but is extremely closed-minded and patronizing.

A majority simply aren't finding FPS to be the most orgasmic games in the world. I for one have to agree.

Hell I'm an American and I'M getting tired of most games being clunky run-vehicle-pop games, with new explosions and occasional "experience point" systems for "variety".

The Japanese market, whether you like to admit it, is simply bored and unimpressed at the stale and clunky 'shooter' thing. Which dominates 80 percent of the 360's library.

The truth is, they're not going to run out and buy a system monopolized by one stale genre, when they're booming with silky eastern-styled graphics, wonder-filled jRPGs, RELAXING games of skillful finesse without white-knuckled stress, and exotic genre-blends STUFFED with wonder.

Marketing has nothing to do with it. The game library is THE SOLE THING making the 360 uninteresting in Japan. Even the PS3 isn't selling in miracle numbers, simply because its library isn't up to par either. The wii constantly sells like hotcakes EVERYWHERE even though it's only as powerful as the xbox1, because the game genres are more imaginitive than run and pop.

You can be reasonably sure the Japanese are NOT sitting around thinking "I WANT to like shooters, but they're western."

They just AREN'T entertained by the stale FPS flavor, and no commercial will fool them into THINKING they are.

I love my 360 but only mostly for the few games that aren't FPS/Mil. Blue Dragon, Assasin's Creed, Eternal Sonata, Fight Night, PGR4 and a couple of the less traditional shooters. (Prey, Mass Effect) The promise of a horizon filled with tons of JRPGs and exciting japanese-type games are crucial to why I opted for 360.

I would say, without a doubt, getting a FLOOD of Japanese style games along with our western-style games is CRUCIAL for sales both in the west AND east.

Anyone think dat aint true be liein out dey ass.

This post has been edited by Hopeful: Nov 20 2007, 03:09 AM

[Dwindlin]

I'm going to have to agree with Hopeful on this one... Japanese people aren't over there thinking "we've got to keep foreign products out of our country!" and I can't even imagine where some of you people are getting that from... this isn't Japan 100 years ago... it isn't all about honor and loyalty anymore. Japan is a westernized nation that's a leader in technology and innovation, they're not stupid.

The reason Japanese gamers don't like the 360 is that they grew up on Playstation and Nintendo products. They've grown accustomed to those consoles exclusive titles, as well as their operation, controllers etc. They're not going to buy a 360 that doesn't have Final Fantasy, MGS, Mario, or any of the other popular exclusive titles for Japanese consoles. Much like over here, people might buy a 360 for Halo 3, because they don't want to miss the next game in their favorite series, in Japan gamers don't want to miss out on the next big Final Fantasy or whatever else. Microsoft would need to rope in some Japanese developers, such as Square, in order to build a market in Japan. I can almost promise you that if the next Final Fantasy game was a 360 exclusive, sales in Japan would jump significantly.

On top of that, marketing hasn't been handled well. I don't think this is the biggest problem, as the 360 offers very little to market to the Japanese gaming community, but it is an issue. I suspect Microsoft chose not to market real hard in Japan for that very reason... they have nothing worth advertising over there. The Japanese community is aware of the 360's big titles (Halo etc) but it's the Final Fantasy and Mario games, for example, they're looking for.

In conclusion, I can't believe there are people in this world that can write the Japanese off as being super honorable or against western technologies. Have you read a book in the last 20 years? Japan isn't that way anymore... educate yourself before making unintelligent posts please

[irnchriz]

The only way xbox will do well in japan is if:

a) They release kiddy po... no i mean manga type games featuring very young females
They redesign the xbox so its like a life size Japanese schoolgirl with working orifices
c) They get Sony or Matsushita to take over xbox japan and pretend that it was 100% Japanese all along and was not made by the country that dropped a couple of a-bombs on them.

job done

Japanese culture is weird (to us , not them) but as an outsider, if you get off on Japanese schoolgirl porn games oops I mean dating simulations, you should march yourself down to your local cop shop and sign up on that old sex offender register.

[mr2000jp]

I think there's also a bit of pride and other reasons involved.
if you got the choice between 2 companies from the homeland and 1 company from a land that you were in war with once, what company would you choose?
yes, I know the USA and japan are now very good allies, but still.

indeed, there's also the cultural difference, but really, are sony's games that different from those MS' console has?
I'd say: if it doesn't work out on one market, go to the markets where it does work out and invest in those instead.

i know that the games that is famous in japan are from different genre than the ones in the us , japanese games are more like rpg and adventure , and its been like that for a very long time , but the american favourite type are the action games , the main reason the 360 isnt doing good there is just because " the console is sooo american"
microsoft is trying lately to brake this rule and co-operate with some japanese developers , but a few titles isnt a real change , they need hundreds of exclusives , this way they will succeed , and about the other consoles , they have all the big hits from the american style games on their consoles , and there is a lot of , but they still have the lot of japanese titles (that most of them are "unheared of" in the us), thats what makes them ,succeed in both countries.

you're the man hopeful you said what is exactly the main matter , i totally agree with you

What is up with all the morons and inbred bigots in this thread?

The Japanese aren't "haters" or "conspirators" trying to "stop all western products from succeeding" in their "homeland". That's not only a moronic bigot theory, but is extremely closed-minded and patronizing.

A majority simply aren't finding FPS to be the most orgasmic games in the world. I for one have to agree.

Hell I'm an American and I'M getting tired of most games being clunky run-vehicle-pop games, with new explosions and occasional "experience point" systems for "variety".

The Japanese market, whether you like to admit it, is simply bored and unimpressed at the stale and clunky 'shooter' thing. Which dominates 80 percent of the 360's library.

The truth is, they're not going to run out and buy a system monopolized by one stale genre, when they're booming with silky eastern-styled graphics, wonder-filled jRPGs, RELAXING games of skillful finesse without white-knuckled stress, and exotic genre-blends STUFFED with wonder.

Marketing has nothing to do with it. The game library is THE SOLE THING making the 360 uninteresting in Japan. Even the PS3 isn't selling in miracle numbers, simply because its library isn't up to par either. The wii constantly sells like hotcakes EVERYWHERE even though it's only as powerful as the xbox1, because the game genres are more imaginitive than run and pop.

You can be reasonably sure the Japanese are NOT sitting around thinking "I WANT to like shooters, but they're western."

They just AREN'T entertained by the stale FPS flavor, and no commercial will fool them into THINKING they are.

I love my 360 but only mostly for the few games that aren't FPS/Mil. Blue Dragon, Assasin's Creed, Eternal Sonata, Fight Night, PGR4 and a couple of the less traditional shooters. (Prey, Mass Effect) The promise of a horizon filled with tons of JRPGs and exciting japanese-type games are crucial to why I opted for 360.

I would say, without a doubt, getting a FLOOD of Japanese style games along with our western-style games is CRUCIAL for sales both in the west AND east.

Anyone think dat aint true be liein out dey ass.

you're the man hopeful you said what is exactly the main matter , i totally agree with you

This post has been edited by mr2000jp: Nov 23 2007, 12:39 PM