QUOTE(rastaman108037 @ Dec 28 2009, 06:19 AM)
Hmm I'm curious, has anyone ever attempted this? I've got a dead (I mean dead, beyond repair) 360 that I could take the hammer to if anyone wants pictures for "research"
I'd be interested. But only if you have a scanning electron microscope
QUOTE(Downcastnut @ Dec 30 2009, 04:40 AM)
I don't know much about this stuff but whenever I get into a forum I sorta read stuff thats already there. Like I read ALL of it. Even stuff that would seem boring to read but I do it anyway so that I dont come up with some kind of idea that will lead NOWHERE.
I mean everything starts with a little research.
I dont think we are getting anywhere telling people that you cant downgrade/jtag a console with a kernel of 8XXX over, and over, and over, and over again.
If somebody has a GOOD idea than shoot, post a thread, but not on something that has been answered 11 topics down from this one that SHOULD of already been read
Here's the recipe for devloping a new exploit:
1. Read a bunch of forum posts. Now you are a computer engineer.
Oh wait, nevermind, I'm full of shit. Downcast, I do honestly respect your thirst for knowledge, and it is commendable that you are dedicated to learning new things.
Sorry to burst your bubble, folks, but the people that develop the hardware in the XBOX 360 are extremely knowledgeable and technical people. They have Computer Engineering and Computer Science degrees; likely, most of them have completed graduate school. These people work on the cutting edge of technology. They aren't bested by a bunch of dolts that lurk on message boards, talking in purely speculative terms.
The people behind the SMC hack are most likely equally qualified individuals. I'd be very surprised if any of them were completely self-taught. If I had to bet, they're a combination of EE, CE, or CS students, graduates, or working in the field. They have sophisticated knowledge about the internal components used in the 360. They have advanced technology at their disposal and know how to use it. They studied the architecture of the 360 and learned as much as they could, reverse engineering new components as they found them. They did lots of experimentation and I'm sure they failed... A LOT.
I'm not trying to discredit the community, but there are those on these boards that have a clue about how the hack works and then there are those that have just enough technical knowledge to think they do. It can be extremely hard for the uninitiated or the uneducated (not in the broad scope, but in the CS/CE field) to tell these people apart.
What it boils down to is that if you're just poing through some NAND dumps in a hex editor, you're are highly unlikely to make any useful contribution to the development of a new exploit or hack. The only thing speculative topics accomplish is pumping more mis-information into the minds of the masses who will believe anything they read. Of course this information will clunk through the rusty gears of these people's minds and exit through their fingertips in a later post down the line. Then this cycle repeats until this speculation is mutated into 'fact.'
The moral of the story is to know what you don't know. Either put down the mice and start studying to get into an engineering school or leave the heavy lifting to those who are capable.This post has been edited by craz3d: Jan 22 2010, 03:16 AM