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[LESTAT]

Hi!

        I hope that u guys will get windows 98 running on the xbox without any  hardware modding needed!
Since the xbox does not have a floppy disk drive,how is it possible to boot from a non bootable windows 98 cd?
Good Luck and Merry CHritmas and a happy new year!

how about you read the thread they arent going to do 98 they want ot do XP Embedded which when set up properly is smaller than windows 95 and runs like XP.
you can make an embedded XP install with mobo drivers video and network thats under 100megs

im keeping the light of for these boys, hopin they come home soon with a butt kickin Embedded install.


oh fellas i talked to my buddy that program's Embedded installs, and he dont have and xbox and work has him pulling insane hours since he is the IT manager and the Develpment Dept Manager, so he wont be able to offer much help.

he keeps telling me though that its not as hard as you guys are making it, i sent him an xbe file just to look at and see what an xbe file does, and he didnt look at it immediately but he simply said that installing E,bedded is the simply stuff, just install what you need on a partition, or cdrom and run it from there. i kept telling him that the bios is blocking it cuz its not xbox code,
he said ther eis a way, its MS code there are holes all over in their code.

he keeps saying just create an embedded CD and run it.

meaning load the components of embedded you want, load the drivers for the xbox video audio and network and others, run the Embedded setup tool burn it to cd and run it. but again he's not understanding the xbox bios.

ill push him harder to grab a bios file and see what he can do.

so i apologize for not being able to get him to join up he's just to busy right now.

[Xbox2005]

Hi there!

Windows 98 is the best option as it supports many programs and it has a very little system requirement.Lets focus on Windows 98 and not some other embedded os first. After that, we can work on the embedded os'es


Win 98 min requirements:

• A personal computer with a 486DX 66 megahertz (MHz) or faster processor (Pentium central processing unit recommended).
• 16 megabytes (MB) of memory (24 MB recommended).
• A full install of Windows 98 on a FAT16 drive requires 225 MB of free hard disk space, but may range from between 165 MB and 355 MB, depending on your computer configuration and that options that you choose to install.
• A full install of Windows 98 on a FAT32 drive requires 175 MB of free hard disk space, but may range from between 140 MB and 255 MB, depending on your computer configuration and the options that you choose to install.
• One 3.5-inch high-density floppy disk drive.
• VGA or higher resolution (16-bit or 24-bit color SVGA recommended).


Xbox specs:

An Intel Celeron (Coppermine) based processor clocked at 733 MHz
An nVIDIA NV2A graphics processor which in terms of its PC brethren lies somewhere between the GeForce 3 and 4 lines
64 MB of system RAM.
A DVD-ROM drive
An 8 or 10 GB hard disk
10/100 Ethernet.
Stripped down version of Windows 2000 kernel


So Windows 98 is perfect to run on the xbox.
But you need a bootable windows 98 cd as the xbox has no floppy drive.You can copy its contents to your pc harddrive and use nero or some other burning tool to burn the contents again as a bootable cd.
We also need to format the xbox fatx partition as fat32.
I hope all these will be possible without needing a modchip.
If the project is successful, then the xbox can be used as a websurfing pc!!

So GOOD LUCK and give your best shot!

[h8raid]

UPDATE: Scan-C and I have both been having some family emergencies which has not left much time to work on the project, but it has not been abandoned. I have not been on this thread in awhile to see what's going on so I appologize for the delay. Anyways, that's the news, no breakthrough as of yet, hopefully things will start looking up and we will be able to get things rolling again. If anybody knows any programmers that could help out, please encourage them to check out the thread and we can get them up to speed on what is done.

@LESTAT, thank you for trying to get your buddy involved. Things are crazy everywhere right now so it's not surprising he has a lot to deal with. Once things calm down for him, talk to him again and make him sit down with you and show him on your box that we are not dealing with a "normal" system. There are securities in place which prohibit us from just installing embedded on the Xbox. Also, what we have been working on is a bios from scratch that will allow us to install whatever version of Windows we want. Basically, it is a PC bios for the Xbox to oversimplify what it is.

Regards,
H8raid

[chimpanzee]

he keeps telling me though that its not as hard as you guys are making it, i sent him an xbe file just to look at and see what an xbe file does, and he didnt look at it immediately but he simply said that installing E,bedded is the simply stuff,  just install what you need on a partition, or cdrom  and run it from there. i kept telling him that the bios is blocking it cuz its not xbox code,
he said ther eis a way, its MS code there are holes all over in their code.

he keeps saying just create an embedded CD  and run it.

He may be good at what he does on PC but knows nothing about Xbox. A Xbox may looks very much like a PC(on spec) but it is not one, the closest analogy is a chimp and human being :-)

[Shadow7789]

I agree that win 98 is a great os for the xbox, but why not concentrate on unsing 98 se or ME. I know 98 se is based on 98, and I am pretty sure that ME is too. In my opinion, 98 is not the most stable os, I would rather use a more recent os. Although, i believe that they are all unstable, but since 2k/XP are out of the question, why not just go ME?

[Xbox2005]

Hi there again!
Windows Millenium is not a good choice as i've been using it for three years with so many problems.I had to format my hard drive and reinstall it almost every week.Sounds incredible but it is true.Windows 98se supports many programs and does not need so much ram but windows xp needs at least 128mb ram.So Win 2000 & Win 98se are the best choices

[LESTAT]

alot of people agree that 98 SE would be a fair choice, because it will run on 64 megs of ram and it will run good.

but its a troublesome OS. too many issues.
i said use 98 cuz we already have DOS or at least a dos emulator for the xbox so go further and load 98 into it.

but you have to understand that Windows XP EMbedded is in incredible operating system. i said it before and ill say it to you gentlemen again, XP Embedded is designed to run on flash rom chips ots designed ot run on VERY VERY wierd mchaines, like factory computers that have a few 8 meg rom chips in them, with hardware you will never find in a PC.
remember how linux can run off a floppy, using a very tiny linux kernel ? well think of a very similar thing using XP.

Windows XP also does not care about your BIOS. or your hardware the xbox bios is where the problem comes in. it does care what you try and run. if its not xbox code , it wont run it.

XP EMbedded will scream if they use it properly on 64 megs of ram.

let these fine gentlemen use their programming talents, they will get it running but it will take time.

[chimpanzee]

The BIOS in Xbox is in fact some form of XP embedded, the only catch is it only runs games. With hacked BIOS or exploits, more interesting things can run, like XBMC.

So instead of spending effort on trying to run Windows on Xbox natively(almost impossible and of not much use even if it works due to the poor TV display), why not help out openxdk so that apps can be built with it and run natively on Xbox ?

[Shadow7789]

I only mentioned ME, because you would think that MS made improvements before they made ME, i personally have no knowlege of ME. If ME is good, then I would rather take 98 SE than 98.

@LESTAT, we don't want to run Embedded, that could be a separate project, but it was mentioned before, we want to run a standard windows version, something that does not require above normal PC knowlege to run.

@Xbox2005, right now, the project does not have enough of a base to run 2k. Windows 2k and Windows XP have alot in common. If we were able to run 2k, then XP would be possible. In my opinion, 2k is better for the xbox than XP, but seeing that both are not possible, we should not worry about 2k right now.

[Shadow7789]

Sorry about the double post, but I could not edit the previous post, anyways, it should say:

If ME is not good, then I would still rather take 98 SE than 98.

INstead of

If ME is good, then I would rather take 98 SE than 98.

This post has been edited by Shadow7789: Dec 31 2004, 05:06 AM

[Xbox2005]

Hi!

I think that you should work on windows 98 se.It can support 16bit and 32 bit programs and can run old dos games with no problems.It only needs very little ram so it would be a good choice.What actually is windows xp embedded?Does it need at least 128mb ram?Please tell me.If it is good,then i think you should also try to work on it too. Good luck anyway! Windows 98se is 45% better than windows millenium.I wouldnt recommend windows me!

This post has been edited by Xbox2005: Dec 31 2004, 05:48 AM

[Flame2k]

xp embedded is the version of windows u find on pocket pcs. so no it doesnt quite need 128mb ram lol.

we are going for 98se.

[h8raid]

Why? Why do I keep reading the same things about what version we need to start working with? Why? This has already been decided and does not need further discussion. If you are going to post in this thread please post something helpful or informative. No sense in flooding the thread with messages over something that has already been discussed and decided on. We are not the type of people that will renig on our final decisions. Once it is finalized and has been decided on, we stick to it unless WE find something unexpected that we cannot work around. The only way we will abandon our decision is if we encounter something that forces us to. Posts from people arguing back and forth when half of them clearly have no idea what our goals for the project are will not change our minds. Once again, please only post if you have something to contribute.

[big_xbox_n00bie]

me is the most HALF BRED PIECE OF SHIT EVER

its unstable
it crashs alot
no major updatse to fix crashs
my pc died twice when i had winme (not able to boot into windows)

I got winxp and have never looked back.

IMO 2k is the best OS but quite expensive..

-BxN

[Xbox2005]

I think that we all should donate to the tsunami victims and help them as they are suffering a lot.Im sorry for posting on this board but please help the 100,000+ victims and their families and others by donating clothes,food,money and other items.This is a good way to start the new year.

This post has been edited by Xbox2005: Jan 1 2005, 04:22 AM