Insomniac: Why Resistance Needs 22 Gigs, giving reasons Options

[Deftech]

How many bloody times do they have to explain it to you? You keep mentioning sloppy coding, yet, you're NOT a developer, yet the developer personnel himself, said that it's because they are fitting multi-reigon content in there. That basically means double of anything multimedia you fuckin idiot. DD5.1 tracks NTSC + PAL's multiple language tracks, as well as the double videos themselves take half, or more of the disk. It's not due to sloppy coding. There's absolutely nothing you can do, besides downsample the videos and audio as well as take out the extra reigon tracks to make it fit like a regular dvd9 game. (so its only for NTSC, only for PAL, yada yada) Let's not forget that they actually have planned extras in the game, so that might be more cut-scenes, demoes, and all that other junk.

Basically, until Resistance comes out, you don't know shit. You can call sloppy coding as much as you like even though they're trained professionals, you only sound like an idiot every time you say shit like that. I may not know whats inside the game, but I do know how big video and audio can get considering that I'm an expert coder. At least that much about what I said with video and audio I can be sure.

*sigh*

[twistedsymphony]

I'm only going to say this once so LISTEN UP

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I don't understand why ANYONE should be giving ANY company ANY slack on BS like this. I Don't care if you love their products or not.

If Sony, Nintendo, MS, or anyone else feeds you lines of BS and releases misleading statements, confuses the issue, or fails to deliver on their promises to the letter you should hang them out to dry NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

As a consumer it is your DUTY to hold these companies accountable, I don't care if they're run by the m*ther f*ing pope.

These companies (any of them) don't give two sh*ts about you, you're just a means to an end... MONEY.

Sure I give Sony a hard time, I gave MS a hard time too. When they promised that HDDs, Wireless controllers, and Component cables Standard... and then made that only available on the top tier version... I called them on it. When they claimed that every console would be "Wi-Fi Ready" and that turned out to mean ready... to accept our $100 adapter... I called them on it. When they said all games would support 720p per their certification requirements and it turns out that they let PGR3 slide... I called them on that too.

If you don't complain, and let people in the industry know they'll walk all over you and their product will turn to pure garbage.... the longer you go without calling them on their half truths and outright lies the more reason they'll give you to do so.

Sure you might think that calling them on their BS in some forum might be useless... but it's not... you get everyone in the forum to realize the sh*t they're trying to pull and it goes up the food chain. Journalists will take notice and start asking the hard questions that they see people asking in the forums, letters to the editor, and news article comments. Then the big wigs will have to answer and if you keep pushing the issue you wont let them get away with avoiding the questions.

I'm not saying you should be unreasonable but you should seriously question the why.... and call them on it if you think the answer seems like its just more BS.

Basically what I'm saying is that I don't care if you're really Bill Gates in disguise... you shouldn't let Sony, or any other company walk all over you like your some servant boy. You need to throw their BS back in their arrogant faces and tell them your money is worth more then listening to them pitch you half-truths, to sell you more proprietary DRMed betaware GARBAGE for the sake of lining their own pockets.
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[nickthegreat]

I'm only going to say this once so LISTEN UP

<rant>
I don't understand why ANYONE should be giving ANY company ANY slack on BS like this. I Don't care if you love their products or not.

If Sony, Nintendo, MS, or anyone else feeds you lines of BS and releases misleading statements, confuses the issue, or fails to deliver on their promises to the letter you should hang them out to dry NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

As a consumer it is your DUTY to hold these companies accountable, I don't care if they're run by the m*ther f*ing pope.

These companies (any of them) don't give two sh*ts about you, you're just a means to an end... MONEY.

Sure I give Sony a hard time, I gave MS a hard time too. When they promised that HDDs, Wireless controllers, and Component cables Standard... and then made that only available on the top tier version... I called them on it. When they claimed that every console would be "Wi-Fi Ready" and that turned out to mean ready... to accept our $100 adapter... I called them on it. When they said all games would support 720p per their certification requirements and it turns out that they let PGR3 slide... I called them on that too.

If you don't complain, and let people in the industry know they'll walk all over you and their product will turn to pure garbage.... the longer you go without calling them on their half truths and outright lies the more reason they'll give you to do so.

Sure you might think that calling them on their BS in some forum might be useless... but it's not... you get everyone in the forum to realize the sh*t they're trying to pull and it goes up the food chain. Journalists will take notice and start asking the hard questions that they see people asking in the forums, letters to the editor, and news article comments. Then the big wigs will have to answer and if you keep pushing the issue you wont let them get away with avoiding the questions.

I'm not saying you should be unreasonable but you should seriously question the why.... and call them on it if you think the answer seems like its just more BS.

Basically what I'm saying is that I don't care if you're really Bill Gates in disguise... you shouldn't let Sony, or any other company walk all over you like your some servant boy. You need to throw their BS back in their arrogant faces and tell them your money is worth more then listening to them pitch you half-truths, to sell you more proprietary DRMed betaware GARBAGE for the sake of lining their own pockets.
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So you don't think it needs 22 gigs................?

This post has been edited by nickthegreat: Sep 14 2006, 12:54 AM

[incognegro]

I'm only going to say this once so LISTEN UP

<rant>
I don't understand why ANYONE should be giving ANY company ANY slack on BS like this. I Don't care if you love their products or not.

If Sony, Nintendo, MS, or anyone else feeds you lines of BS and releases misleading statements, confuses the issue, or fails to deliver on their promises to the letter you should hang them out to dry NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

As a consumer it is your DUTY to hold these companies accountable, I don't care if they're run by the m*ther f*ing pope.

These companies (any of them) don't give two sh*ts about you, you're just a means to an end... MONEY.

Sure I give Sony a hard time, I gave MS a hard time too. When they promised that HDDs, Wireless controllers, and Component cables Standard... and then made that only available on the top tier version... I called them on it. When they claimed that every console would be "Wi-Fi Ready" and that turned out to mean ready... to accept our $100 adapter... I called them on it. When they said all games would support 720p per their certification requirements and it turns out that they let PGR3 slide... I called them on that too.

If you don't complain, and let people in the industry know they'll walk all over you and their product will turn to pure garbage.... the longer you go without calling them on their half truths and outright lies the more reason they'll give you to do so.

Sure you might think that calling them on their BS in some forum might be useless... but it's not... you get everyone in the forum to realize the sh*t they're trying to pull and it goes up the food chain. Journalists will take notice and start asking the hard questions that they see people asking in the forums, letters to the editor, and news article comments. Then the big wigs will have to answer and if you keep pushing the issue you wont let them get away with avoiding the questions.

I'm not saying you should be unreasonable but you should seriously question the why.... and call them on it if you think the answer seems like its just more BS.

Basically what I'm saying is that I don't care if you're really Bill Gates in disguise... you shouldn't let Sony, or any other company walk all over you like your some servant boy. You need to throw their BS back in their arrogant faces and tell them your money is worth more then listening to them pitch you half-truths, to sell you more proprietary DRMed betaware GARBAGE for the sake of lining their own pockets.
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Co- sign!

[KAGE360]

*sigh*

i just saw that today. he acts like a developer never codes their game in a sloppy way. he also didnt point out how i also pointed the blaim to a lot of rendered FMV.

for someone has gotten warned already kira its pretty ballsy to keep insulting other for "not knowing shit" when you have proven to know the least of all of us. watch what you say boy, hopefully one day it wont get you banned for good

to twisted and his rant. its great to favor a company but its disgusting to be blind to their BS

[kidkinetix]

Worst case scenario...

- Remove the duplicated content (region specific)
- Split up the Single Player and Multiplayer onto their own dvd9, considering area size and texture detail are the main arguments here.

Resistance is the only (early) PS3 release that I actually find interesting, but I think we get enough verbal vomit from Sony firsthand to need any more from developers. Very nice /rant Twisted, always a good read.

[incognegro]

Worst case scenario...

- Remove the duplicated content (region specific)
- Split up the Single Player and Multiplayer onto their own dvd9, considering area size and texture detail are the main arguments here.

Resistance is the only (early) PS3 release that I actually find interesting, but I think we get enough verbal vomit from Sony firsthand to need any more from developers. Very nice /rant Twisted, always a good read.

Why would u need two dvd9s? It seems like the game can hold on 1 dvd from what I gather.

This post has been edited by incognegro: Sep 14 2006, 04:22 PM

[kidkinetix]

Why would u need two dvd9s? It seems like the game can hold on dvd from what I gather.

I assume it would be possible as well, but that's why I wrote 'worst case scenario'.

[incognegro]

I assume it would be possible as well, but that's why I wrote 'worst case scenario'.

I see

[Sc4rfac3]

nice rant twisted. we as consumer gotta call companies out on their bs. This is the soul reason
i switch to ms over sony. i'm just tired of the sony bs
oh and thats a load of crap from insomniac

[Heretic-666]

I feel like the definition of hypocrisy was just written out for this thread seeing some of these "passionate ???" comments come out.

[nickthegreat]

I feel like the definition of hypocrisy was just written out for this thread seeing some of these "passionate ???" comments come out.

As has the definition of nonsensical ^^

[Mr Invader]

This is surprising

From what i hear, Resistance's AI isn't too shabby. In fact, i heard that it was excellent.

I wonder if this is (more) hype, possibly (overall) false, or it might be baised (considering this news coming from IGN, it probably is very baised.)

[KAGE360]

This is surprising

From what i hear, Resistance's AI isn't too shabby. In fact, i heard that it was excellent.

I wonder if this is (more) hype, possibly (overall) false, or it might be baised (considering this news coming from IGN, it probably is very baised.)

im assuming that you are surprised because of the ps3's reported lack to run good AI?

well its still possible to have comparable AI on the ps3, you just have to work around it's environment and in the end this may result in 5x the work needed but its still possible.

seeing as how CoD2 had some of the best AI ever and CoD3 is reported to be even better with no complaints on the ps3 version ever mentioned, im sure this news about resistance is true.

[Mr Invader]

im assuming that you are surprised because of the ps3's reported lack to run good AI?

well its still possible to have comparable AI on the ps3, you just have to work around it's environment and in the end this may result in 5x the work needed but its still possible.

seeing as how CoD2 had some of the best AI ever and CoD3 is reported to be even better with no complaints on the ps3 version ever mentioned, im sure this news about resistance is true.

Yeah, i get ya