Rumor: ATI already won next gen Xbox deal? Options

[dinzy]

If this is true then I would expect to see an all AMD solution that focuses on cost rather than backward compatibility. Though AMD and IBM do semi collaborate so I gues a PPC+AMD GPU would work

[Obveron]

After the the debacle with the first Xbox, it's highly unlikely MS will work with Nvidia again.

I was highly confused by the mention in this article of a Xeon GPU (and a peculiar link to the Xeon Emulator). I'm pretty sure Xenos is what what was meant.

[Lezlyte]

With today's technology, nVIDIA should have gotten the contract, but with the backwards compatibility route the next gen system can go, I can see why Microsoft would be for ATI.

If you've read nVIDIA's news lately, they're falling way behind. ATI's planning a line of DirectX 11 chips, while nVIDIA gave a lame excuse that they don't thing gaming but general computing on GPU's as the future of graphics hardware.

[alpha_prime]

If you've read nVIDIA's news lately, they're falling way behind. ATI's planning a line of DirectX 11 chips, while nVIDIA gave a lame excuse that they don't thing gaming but general computing on GPU's as the future of graphics hardware.

Are you joking? Ati's directx 11 cards are already out and pretty powerful, Nvidia is getting close to launching new cards WITH directx11, GDDR5 ram like ati and an all new architecture. They indeed are focussing on general computing with gpu's (like CUDA), but that's simply because gpu's can be really good at some computational tasks. They have Tesla gpu cards for the general computing market, and Geforce cards for gamers...

I wouldn't count out ati nor nvidia, they're both working really hard on new stuff.

Even if the next xbox gets a budget version of the ati 5870 or 5850 chip that'll still be WAY more powerfull then the chip inside the 360.

Couple that with 4 gb of GDDR5 ram+a shiny new quadcore cpu =

[funni64]

who gives a shit, where's the news on wave 4?

[Mr.RedRing]

I find going with ATi again as a very poor choice, AMD and ATi are dying companies. I can't quote on who told me this information, and you can take it or leave it, but the rrod was partly due to MS going to ATi. ATi didn't actually design the chip, they used designs from a smaller company that they commonly got designs from called Virage Logic. Microsoft chose to go that path because they saved a few million dollars, and in the end they ended up losing $1 billion in the whole rrod ordeal. I know the person who told me this very well, I would believe it from them any day of the week. Microsoft kept going to them for the chip designs in hopes that the next one wouldn't have been faulty, and it never happened. The new Jasper chips were done by ATi, and not Virage Logic, which is the reason the failure rate with the new units is so incredibly low.

This person even told me when new chips for the 360 were coming out waayyyy before they were even rumored on here. They told me that they were supposed to fix the rrod, and the newer designs were supposed to cool the system down and such. Even though they cooled the system down slightly, they were still designs losely based on the previous chips and turned out to be faulty.

I honestly don't know if this was previously told, but you can take it or leave it.

[gehx]

who gives a shit, where's the news on wave 4?

word!

[Lezlyte]

Are you joking? Ati's directx 11 cards are already out and pretty powerful, Nvidia is getting close to launching new cards WITH directx11, GDDR5 ram like ati and an all new architecture. They indeed are focussing on general computing with gpu's (like CUDA), but that's simply because gpu's can be really good at some computational tasks. They have Tesla gpu cards for the general computing market, and Geforce cards for gamers...

I wouldn't count out ati nor nvidia, they're both working really hard on new stuff.

Even if the next xbox gets a budget version of the ati 5870 or 5850 chip that'll still be WAY more powerfull then the chip inside the 360.

Couple that with 4 gb of GDDR5 ram+a shiny new quadcore cpu =

I guess I didn't check the date on the article.

[spinr34]

I find going with ATi again as a very poor choice, AMD and ATi are dying companies. I can't quote on who told me this information, and you can take it or leave it, but the rrod was partly due to MS going to ATi. ATi didn't actually design the chip, they used designs from a smaller company that they commonly got designs from called Virage Logic. Microsoft chose to go that path because they saved a few million dollars, and in the end they ended up losing $1 billion in the whole rrod ordeal. I know the person who told me this very well, I would believe it from them any day of the week. Microsoft kept going to them for the chip designs in hopes that the next one wouldn't have been faulty, and it never happened. The new Jasper chips were done by ATi, and not Virage Logic, which is the reason the failure rate with the new units is so incredibly low.

This person even told me when new chips for the 360 were coming out waayyyy before they were even rumored on here. They told me that they were supposed to fix the rrod, and the newer designs were supposed to cool the system down and such. Even though they cooled the system down slightly, they were still designs losely based on the previous chips and turned out to be faulty.

I honestly don't know if this was previously told, but you can take it or leave it.

well, you wasted a lot of time typing because rrod isn't caused by faulty chips. it's faulty design of how the heatsinks are held onto the motherboard (x-clamps) and poor cooling.

[chronno]

I find going with ATi again as a very poor choice, AMD and ATi are dying companies. I can't quote on who told me this information, and you can take it or leave it, but the rrod was partly due to MS going to ATi. ATi didn't actually design the chip, they used designs from a smaller company that they commonly got designs from called Virage Logic. Microsoft chose to go that path because they saved a few million dollars, and in the end they ended up losing $1 billion in the whole rrod ordeal. I know the person who told me this very well, I would believe it from them any day of the week. Microsoft kept going to them for the chip designs in hopes that the next one wouldn't have been faulty, and it never happened. The new Jasper chips were done by ATi, and not Virage Logic, which is the reason the failure rate with the new units is so incredibly low.

This person even told me when new chips for the 360 were coming out waayyyy before they were even rumored on here. They told me that they were supposed to fix the rrod, and the newer designs were supposed to cool the system down and such. Even though they cooled the system down slightly, they were still designs losely based on the previous chips and turned out to be faulty.

I honestly don't know if this was previously told, but you can take it or leave it.

I agree with spinr34. The GPU wasn't damaged, it was the board warping and ripping the chip out. As has already been proven on this site, the GPU runs perfectly fine on a RROD system, the data just isn't getting to the GPU. The 360 just runs too damn hot.

I personally like AMD and ATI better than Intel and Nvidia. Intel processors are work horses, yet they don't run as fast as AMD. I've only had one Nvidia card work properly, but it's in a laptop so by default it's not as powerful as my desktop ATI. Oddly enough, it's in a laptop with an AMD processor and Nvidia chip set. My other Nvidia excursions have all ended with compatibility issues.

[d-range]

I agree with spinr34. The GPU wasn't damaged, it was the board warping and ripping the chip out. As has already been proven on this site, the GPU runs perfectly fine on a RROD system, the data just isn't getting to the GPU. The 360 just runs too damn hot.

I personally like AMD and ATI better than Intel and Nvidia. Intel processors are work horses, yet they don't run as fast as AMD. I've only had one Nvidia card work properly, but it's in a laptop so by default it's not as powerful as my desktop ATI. Oddly enough, it's in a laptop with an AMD processor and Nvidia chip set. My other Nvidia excursions have all ended with compatibility issues.

Yes, and also, the Xenon was not a 'Virage logic' design or whatever, but simply a derivative of the ATI R500 chips also used on PC video cards, and produced by TSMC (which produces about half of all chips out there). There's literally nothing special about it that would make it susceptible to break or otherwise fail because of the chip design or productions or anything.

That said, it doesn't matter at all if Nvidia or ATI makes the damn thing for the next-gen xbox, both are great companies with amazing technology and both have the stuff it takes to make that GPU. Remember that console GPU's are nowhere as significant as PC GPU's, so ATI or Nvidia don't even need a cutting-edge new design, they can just take an off-the-shelf design and tweak that a little, GPU requirements are much lower for consoles than PC's because of the lower resolutions.

[eduardor2k]

People, ATI & nVidia are great GPU vendors, i'm sure that both would do a great GPU for the 360, but imagine if you could play your x360 games on HD on the new 360 without some compatibility patches, the games just work!

As i already mentioned in an older post, the new x360 will be very similar to this generatios, just more powerfull.

IBM PowerPC + GPU + Extras

5c

[tokyodrifte]

Does anyone else remember a post saying project natal will be a step towards microsofts next gen console? In my mind i think the entire next gen console wont be out for a good 4 years. I belive microsoft will spread the 360 to max before starting on new hardware.

Just look at how far the dashboard has gone

[halofun121]

Personally, Microsoft seems to be moving away from the "extreme graphics in gaming" idea and more towards a Wii-esque idea of doing something radically different (Natal). I wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox is more like what the Nintendo Wii was to the Gamecube: a rehash of old hardware with a new gimmick thrown in (saves time, money, and makes everyone happy). Nintendo must be sitting on their pile of cash laughing at Microsoft and Sony right now, given that their system is using older technology but is still selling like a hot cake. Microsoft is a Nintendo wannabe.

[Jagosix]

Personally, Microsoft seems to be moving away from the "extreme graphics in gaming" idea and more towards a Wii-esque idea of doing something radically different (Natal). I wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox is more like what the Nintendo Wii was to the Gamecube: a rehash of old hardware with a new gimmick thrown in (saves time, money, and makes everyone happy). Nintendo must be sitting on their pile of cash laughing at Microsoft and Sony right now, given that their system is using older technology but is still selling like a hot cake. Microsoft is a Nintendo wannabe.

Hello Fellow Gamers. A Nintendo wannabe.???? Dude you can't be serious. Damn,.. I didn't know you can predict the future so well . Please, come up with something better than that. Don't compare the X360 with the Wii. They have nothing in common. The next Xbox might have the following; Gigs or ram for the system, Gigs more for the video, Terabytes of space for the HDD, quad or dual quad core Processors, and something better than Blu-ray for storage, etc..

Technology always goes forward. Nintendo was the only company that went backwards.