Hd Dvd Coming To 360 Options

[LowProfileWurm]

I disagree Twasi. I think there is a great need for HD content on the new generation discs. I watch DVD's now that have gobs of extras and the video quality is just terrible (see Signs) or the audio features that I'm interested in (rich sounding DTS for example) are left off. I don't think Blu-Ray is needed, but I think that HD-DVD is. Either that or enormous PVR devices. I see HVD as the true successor when 1080p becomes affordable, but for now, the HDTV's that are sold really don't have much to shine with in terms of Hollywood. Sure, HD-DVD is for movies only right now, but I'd really like to see MS help shuttle the new media in this year.

I agree Kage that it would be unwise to make a media switch part way into 360's life. devs won't like it and it will confuse customers. Knowing that PS3 will be "expensive" I think MS could offset some costs by making the 360 cost $350 at launch with the newer drive. There should definitely be a singular architecture.

As much as I'm afraid to admit it, but MS is taking all the mistakes of failed consoles and making them their own. I know MS won't let 360 fail, but damn I hope they get their acts together.

[nj12nets]

why would they include it and w hat other mistakes are they making? to raise manufacturing costs and put gamese on a slower media? games work better on DVD-9 because they go faster and have less seek times. and if they start running out of room they compress the data and that will require less to transfer through so t hat will go faster too.

[Carlo210]

Did you read wurms post correctly??

He is afraid that games might end up the same way as dvd movies with extras.

[Twasi]

Did you read wurms post correctly??

He is afraid that games might end up the same way as dvd movies with extras.

You mean not be room for them? There will always be room for extras and the game, most games don't even touch the second layer and they aren't compressed. Awhile back M$ licensed some powerful new compression algorithms, they will be able to squeeze them in there and games are better on DVD-9 so they could spend their money better and forget the HD-DVD drive and invest in new compression techniques. Like I said HD-DVD is only required for movies, it's not that big of a deal and do you honestly think the movie industry is going to ship their movies in HD-DVD form any time soon? If the 360 doesn't include a drive there would be no incentive for them to do so because no one has a stand alone HD-DVD player, so you will still be seeing low quality video, sound etc. Maybe in a few years HD-DVD will be able to be shipped in masses and alot of people will have the drives but by then it's a possibility that HVD that is far superior in everyway will be out for the public, Hell they are releasing public drives and discs first so they may very well beat HD-DVD to the market and the HD-DVD/Blu-ray generation will never exist. It's just not worth M$'s time and money to include a drive especially if Toshiba is not willing to sell them very cheap (cheap enough to keep the launch at 300) They are marketing to the masses and I have a feeling the masses don't even know what HD-DVD is.

[KAGE360]

i agree with you twasi, i really dont find any kind of need for an HD-DVD on a game console but im saying if MS is planning on switching formats mid life of their consoles life they should just include it in the beginning.

[Carlo210]

Well Bill Gates never said that xbox360 Will be using hd-dvd later on.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050731-5152.html

Journalists made more out of it than all it really was.
Hd-dvd is likely to be used in xbox360 later on since MS is researching it, but it's still in the air.

And Kage, including the hd-dvd drive, which isn't finalized and isn't ready for mas-production, would cost us around 50$ to the Xbox360 shelf price. Ms knows what they are doing. We don't need wow factor blu-ray synergy-related spectral core reflectors. SONY has been using those terms so people don't compare their specs to pcs and because of the marketing edge they get from it. MS doesn't use that because the wow factor they use are the games.

This post has been edited by Carlo210: Jul 31 2005, 08:32 PM

[Twasi]

i agree with you twasi, i really dont find any kind of need for an HD-DVD on a game console but im saying if MS is planning on switching formats mid life of their consoles life they should just include it in the beginning.

I agree with you 100% that they should includei t from the beggining if they are going to include it at all, I'm just saying it's not a big deal if they don't include it, I could care less but I realize some people need it to fully utilize the 360, just not me

[jk009]

I can't believe you people....Check the front page...here

[Deftech]

so they took an old story and made it reborn? bastards

nevertheless, I have several video interviews with Robbie Back saying they wont go 5 years without getting a HD drive into the 360.

just a matter of time

[Twasi]

I can't believe you people....Check the front page...here

#1 This thread was started before that was put up

#2 this thread has turned into more of a why should they instead of will it etc

[LowProfileWurm]

I don't think games need to be put on HD-DVD yet unless they use cutscenes with multiple languages (such as Ninja Gaiden). What I meant is, HD movies DO need the extra space. The games coming on HD-DVD would be a way of future proofing the 360 in much the same manner as PS2 used CD-ROM until DVD became more prevalent. Otherwise, I don't see a need for a console to use a next gen disc drive. It doesn't even need the wow factor. It's just for future proofing and shuttling in the next gen. And HD-DVD players will be available by Xmas this year. Toshiba has a $1000 unit being prepped for sale this year. It's only a matter of time. And I think consumers could shoulder a $50 price boost.

And Twasi is right again about this thread being more of a "why should they" thread than a "will they" topic. Half the fun is speculation.

[Carlo210]

Xbox360 games aren't using cutscenes. To save space on disc, cutscenes will be in realtime (using the games engine) instead of playing video files (ffx type cutscenes).

[LowProfileWurm]

Xbox360 games aren't using cutscenes. To save space on disc, cutscenes will be in realtime (using the games engine) instead of playing video files (ffx type cutscenes).

Correct, however, many japanese developers use cutscenes and would have liked to have the extra space for the japanese audio tracks. American games tend to use engine-based scenes, but if MS wants a japanese audience bad enough, they might consider appeasing more Japanese devs.