Raid casualty comes forward to tell his story Options

[Chancer]

If it was me in his shoes, I'm sure I would have gotten violent.

Yes that would really have solved it all.
You would have taken a beating and ended up inside, taking your turn in the barrel.

[yourgod78]

A piece of advice from someone who has dealt with Federal law enforcement before.

These people (like the FBI and CIA) let their reputations do most of the work for them.

FallsInc should have refused to talk to them until a he had a lawyer present. Even though he was not arrested his still has the legal right to have an attorney present while he was being questioned. They love it when people panic and just tell them or give them everything they want. By co-operating he may have hurt himself and made their case against him a lot easier. The ones that visited him at his girlfriend's place were nice because they were manipulating him to let him guard down.

Knowing your local laws is good. Having a legal expert is even better.

Don't make the same mistake. If you are being questioned demand to have a lawyer present!!!!!
skinlayers

I completely agree. That said I do understand. This is a regular guy trying to make an honest living, and I would tend to bet this man has never had any other reason in his life to feel like a criminal (I don't know that, but given the language I would bet). These guys buddy hustled him.

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."-George Washington, founding father, and 1st president.

[Hopeful]

Irony?

Uh, where?

I'd have to agree with what he's saying. That is the most retarded and fundamentally wrong idea I've seen in a long time.

Anyway if you consider mod chips justifiably illegal, find a different forum.

And the shit about being sold a "license to use" but not the actual hardware is bullshit. You can't rightfully sell someone a console without the actual equipment becoming their property. I don't care if the law "says otherwise" because that's communist law and it can't be respected living among the rest.

If people thought they weren't being SOLD consoles but merely USAGE of "corporation owned units" much of the interest wouldn't even be there. "MY video game system" and ownership of it is the paramount appeal to a lot of gamers. Anyway if they're only selling "the permanent service of" a "unit belonging to the corporation", wouldn't that obligate them to eternally keep it running at their own expense? Wouldn't it also make "selling" 2nd hand consoles illegal?

Something here is not stacking up and we're getting shafted. If you're sold something that only exists on its hardware, you're sold the hardware too. No person or law can say otherwise bullshit free.

[Sinner666]

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."-George Washington, founding father, and 1st president.

I am always shocked by how many people think goverment is a "social contract" or a "aggreed upon community standards"

When in a debate over if something should be done by government, I always ask "Why is this so important that VIOLENT FORCE is acceptable?"

So painfully many people don't/will ever understand that goverment is now and will forever be a form of violence. I point out the IRS doesn't ask it tells, and they still don't get it.

[pirichios]

Man im amused at the amount of people trying to sound like they are the biggest saints by putting all the blame on fallsinc. As far as i know a bios with cromwell in a modchip = 100% legal. if a person takes an xbox Exclusively running linux and put it in front of the ESA's president he technically should not be able to do anything to that person. im pretty sure that they are taking advantage of the authorities ignorance in some of these raids.It would be funny if people of the xbox-linux side got involved in this mess, im pretty sure they would be happy to show them Fair use in their faces

[budweisr33]

Cd burners violate the dmca. So does his mother know,Bruce Lehman's,that he has a Bush mentality.
When is big brother gonna grow up and get some common sense and logical thinking?
I bet some of these government goons have kids who own pirated consoles,mp3's,dvd's,or use filesharing of some sort or know friends who do. I cant believe this country and the shit we put up with.Everyone said i could do or be anything i wanted but all i want is truth justice and the UNamerican way.

[snart]

I don't want to go into detail about what happened to me a few years back, but let's just say you don't have a chance in hell if you choose to fight.

Everyone here is trying to argue around the DMCA. That doesn't work. That's the law, you broke it. End of discussion. Trying to say, "well..the DMCA is whack" is not going to get you far in the courts, who could care less how you interpret the law (that's what the judges do).

This post has been edited by snart: Aug 3 2007, 09:10 PM

[__someone__]

I don't want to go into detail about what happened to me a few years back, but let's just say you don't have a chance in hell if you choose to fight.

Everyone here is trying to argue around the DMCA. That doesn't work. That's the law, you broke it. End of discussion. Trying to say, "well..the DMCA is whack" is not going to get you far in the courts, who could care less how you interpret the law (that's what the judges do).

The amount of people saying what this guy above me said is getting ridiculous. I haven't read anything (in fact quite the contrary) that says owning a modchip with the cromwell bios is illegal...hence the fact that you can LEGALLY buy one. I haven't seen anywhere where it says this guy put an illegal bios on those chips he installed.

IN OTHER words, if the act of owning a modchip is illegal then we are all illegal here. But I am sick and tired of 'you shouldn't have broken the law' posts. They are ignorant and hypocritical.

[jeff10]

I kow it is illiegal, to mod copy burn games etc. But i have always wondered how is it lega for a rental company blockbuster, gamefly, net flix. whoever to actually rent a movie or a game...

I remember watching movies or playing old games that says its illegal to copy, rent, etc etc..


Why are the movie rental companies allowed to exist then, I am sure if the fine print is read this is not lega either?

just wondered if anyone had an answer for that?

[rp71284]

I know this won't be a popular opinion...

But if the gov't wants to cut down on piracy, go after the release groups that put games online so they can be downloaded. Go after the leaks in the gaming industry that let the games get out early. Go after those people because without them, modchips would not be looked at so negatively.

I guarantee the majority of backups made by people are from games that are downloaded.

[TheLegace]

There are 350,000 Members here.

Maybe 100,000 are really active.

Call who represents you, whether your in Europe or United States.

I live in Canada, and I might make a call, if anything serious happens.

Please Send emails, create petitions, call people.

Let's try to take back freedom, I only pray this will make people open their eyes. This government has really gone just way to far.

Oh also, send emails to microsoft/nintendo/sony(like sony will give a shit).
Maybe Government officials may not fix anything, but it should make you feel good, that you bitched at something.

[jimbobjim]

I kow it is illiegal, to mod copy burn games etc. But i have always wondered how is it lega for a rental company blockbuster, gamefly, net flix. whoever to actually rent a movie or a game...

I remember watching movies or playing old games that says its illegal to copy, rent, etc etc..
Why are the movie rental companies allowed to exist then, I am sure if the fine print is read this is not lega either?

just wondered if anyone had an answer for that?

You aren't allowed to rent without permission. Blockbuster have permission.

[Eksyte]

jeff10:
Just a guess, but the movie and game rental companies probably have contracts with the game and movie companies that allow them to rent them. They probably pay more for each movie, but for every $150 (or whatever) they pay for a movie, they probably rent it out for $1,000 or more. When they have 30 copies of a movie to rent, that's a lot of revenue.

rp71284:
Torrent sites are used as loopholes in the downloaded media problem. The sites themselves aren't doing anything illegal because they're merely giving the uploaders and downloaders a way to find each other. This is not illegal.

In order to prosecute anyone with these sites in place would be to gather IPs and other info on the individual users. There hundreds of torrent sites with thousands of members, so to prosecute that many people would be an extremely daunting (if not impossible) task.

[chorizo1]

Oh also, send emails to microsoft/nintendo/sony(like sony will give a shit).

What makes you think M$ or Nintendo will.

Wow, you always got the same group of people in these forums (political news etc.) arguing about politics and govt. laws etc. that mattered in the past, and no one gave a shit.

Have a few modchip stores closed, and everyone is ready to burn down the Whitehouse, LOL.

[skinlayers]

You don't like the MS products... don't use them.

And which is why when I'm at home I use Macs for audio production and keep my PC for gaming
But trying to work in IT and avoiding Windows altogether is not realistic for most people.