Most Overrated And Underrated Players? Options

[lordvader129]

OverRated
Derek Jeter

THANK YOU!

and thats all i have to say

[deliverymanxas]

Who would you people say is the most overrated in any sport?

I would say
soccer: David Beckham
Basketball: Allen Huston or Vince Carter
Football: Eli Manning, Ricky Williams
Hockey: Ed Belfor, Danny Healtley
Baseball: Barry Bonds, Curt Shilling, David Wells, Jason Gaimbi, David Ortiz (he's a DH how hard is that!!)
Over all: Tiger Woods, (Roger Feder (spelling), Andy Roddick (it's F'ing tennis)

As for underrated

Soccer: Therry Henry, Wayne Rooney, Carlos Ranaldo (Man U), Del Piero (Italy)
Basketball: Kevin Garnett, Jalen Rose, Richard Hamilton and Tim Duncan
Football:  Carnell (Cadilic) Williams, Antanio Gates, Tolimson (spelling)
Hockey: Kris Draper, Simon Gagne, Steve Yzerman, Andrew Cassels
Baseball: Orlando Hudson, Roy Haliday, Dontrelle Willis
As for the most underrated player it's: Ichro Suzki (1,000+ hits in 4 seasons ) the guy is awsome plus he plays for a not so great team

A few pennies for a few names...
-How is V. Carter overrated? He is only really known for slamming down massive dunks...not much else. Thats why he has stayed in Toronto for so long. But I havent followed the off-season, so if he got traded...I missed it.
-Eli I am not too sure about. He did pull the cry-baby shit on draft day, and demand a trade...now look at San Diego. Think he knows he fucked up? He is only overrated because he went to a falling team instead of joining a rising team.
-I am a big Texas fan, and will say that Ricky was a big disappointment in the NFL. Thats all.
-Bonds, Schilling, Wells, Giambi, Ortiz. I like how you took 5 of the biggest names and downtalked them all. >Bonds is far from overrated, if anything he is just talked about too much. Steroids this, and steroids that...HAS HE EVER FAILED??? >Schilling and Wells are not overrated. Schilling is just off to a scratchy start, Wells just had a few bad games. How is being a normal MLB pitcher overrated? That is like me saying that Randy Johnson, Bartolo Cologn, John Smoltz, Dontrelle Willis, and every single teams star pitchers are overrated. They are labeled the TEAM star pitchers because they are the best on THAT TEAM. >Giambi isnt overrated either. Look what he did since being caught with roids. Rocky start...hmm just like Schilling...but since has posted pre-steroids numbers and became the Giambi of old. How is that overrated? >ORTIZ??? He is definately the saviour of the Boston Red Sox. No overrated status should even be thought of for this DH. Granted he is a DH...but why label him when he is leading the league in several categories? And on the DH part, he is the normal 1B, Olerud is not the lead guy if they play a NL park.
-Tiger is probably the best ever...but this year he is overrated. Vijay has outplayed him this year and deserves to still be #1.
My most overrated is Derek Jeter...Jeter is the posterboy on how to be a ballhog.

-KG and Duncan are not underrated. Both are the respected leaders of their team, Duncan is considered better all around than Shaq, and KG is a former MVP. How is that underrated?
-Cadillac Williams is just a rookie, and doesnt deserve to even be rated yet...and LeDanian Tomlinson I could agree on.
-Roy Haliday, and D-Train, these guys are probably two of the most dominant pitchers in the game. Not THE, just two of. Thats all Im gonna say about that.
-Most underrated player is not Ichiro Suzuki, he gets the credit he deserves. He is a lead off hitter with lead off statistics. Except on base%...thats what hurts him.
-Most underrated is Trent Dilfer. Look what he has done to the Browns. I never really like Dilfer, but he did win a Super Bowl with the Ravens as a starter, and now he is leading the Browns, so far, to an outstanding season. I know the Ravens' defense was a HUGE factor that season, still is. But they had to get points some how.

[Rylinkus]

My most overrated is Derek Jeter...Jeter is the posterboy on how to be a ballhog. 

I want to chime in a few things about Jeter. First, you cant be a ball hog in baseball. If he touches the ball more then other guys that means what? The ball gets hit to him more? I'll say this about him. If I were trying to teach my son the proper way to play baseball he's one of the guys I'd point to. Because I NEVER look at him and think he's not giving it everything he has. And there's far too many guys that you swear just made the same play the night before but can't seem to this night. Somehow they just don't seem to run as fast. *cough* Manny *cough* In watching the playoff games my gf who knows next to nothing about baseball made a comment the other night that suprised me. She noted that on ground outs Jeter always seems to end up making it a much closer play then other guys. And he's certainly not the fastest guy in the playoffs. It's very simple. He runs hard on everything.

And ask yourself this, who would you rather have as a short stop? The only guy that comes to mind for me is the guy playing next to Jeter. But he plays a pretty solid 3rd so Ill let it slide.

This post has been edited by Rylinkus: Oct 6 2005, 11:32 PM

[guitarfrk]

My most overrated is Derek Jeter...Jeter is the posterboy on how to be a ballhog.

ok ...like said before ...cant really be a ball hog in baseball...its not like hes telling them to hit it to him...

David Ortiz (he's a DH how hard is that!!)

this just plain pisses me off...are you serious...firstly ..u ever heard of david dellucci???plays for texas rangers??yah hes my 1st cousin and i can promise u from seein what he gos through pesonally....no way its easyy...o yeah and id like to see u go out and hit 28 effin hr's against 90mph fastballs...not to mention pitchers like wakefield with his knuckle and so on...so dont even JOKE about it being easy..ok maybe when u go get a WS ring and an AL championship ring...yah THEN and ONLY THEN can u say its easy



sry....that just really pisses me off

This post has been edited by guitarfrk: Oct 7 2005, 12:22 AM

[lordvader129]

I want to chime in a few things about Jeter. First, you cant be a ball hog in baseball. If he touches the ball more then other guys that means what? The ball gets hit to him more? I'll say this about him. If I were trying to teach my son the proper way to play baseball he's one of the guys I'd point to. Because I NEVER look at him and think he's not giving it everything he has. And there's far too many guys that you swear just made the same play the night before but can't seem to this night. Somehow they just don't seem to run as fast. *cough* Manny *cough* In watching the playoff games my gf who knows next to nothing about baseball made a comment the other night that suprised me. She noted that on ground outs Jeter always seems to end up making it a much closer play then other guys. And he's certainly not the fastest guy in the playoffs. It's very simple. He runs hard on everything.

And ask yourself this, who would you rather have as a short stop? The only guy that comes to mind for me is the guy playing next to Jeter. But he plays a pretty solid 3rd so Ill let it slide.

eh, you can be a good player and still be overrated, i mean people act like hes the only player on the yankees

[Rylinkus]

eh, you can be a good player and still be overrated, i mean people act like hes the only player on the yankees

Riveras the best player on the Yankees. Then Arod.

But seriously, whod you rather have at SS? And maybe it's just cuz I'm in red sox country, but theres not a lot of Jeter hype round here.

This post has been edited by Rylinkus: Oct 7 2005, 03:23 AM

[deliverymanxas]

Riveras the best player on the Yankees. Then Arod.

But seriously, whod you rather have at SS? And maybe it's just cuz I'm in red sox country, but theres not a lot of Jeter hype round here.

Miguel Tejada? Come on...I think Tejada is better than Jeter. Not because he posts better numbers...because he does. But also because pitchers are more afraid to pitch to Tejada than to Jeter for power reasons.

I kinda wish the sox would not have gotten rid of Reese. He is injured now, but he was pretty good. Boston has a eye for having good players, then trading them before they get injured.

And your telling me that when a routine pop fly in foul territory to the 3rd base side is for the SS?? Jeter would be all over that calling A-Rod off. I hate that. He is a Ballhog, period. There is no I in TEAM, unless you play SS for the Yankees.

[Rylinkus]

Miguel Tejada?  Come on...I think Tejada is better than Jeter.  Not because he posts better numbers...because he does.  But also because pitchers are more afraid to pitch to Tejada than to Jeter for power reasons. 

I kinda wish the sox would not have gotten rid of Reese.  He is injured now, but he was pretty good.  Boston has a eye for having good players, then trading them before they get injured.

And your telling me that when a routine pop fly in foul territory to the 3rd base side is for the SS??  Jeter would be all over that calling A-Rod off.  I hate that.  He is a Ballhog, period.  There is no I in TEAM, unless you play SS for the Yankees.

My guess is your a red sox fan due to the reese comments. Which means you have to dislike Jeter and most likely Rivera and A-Rod. Trust me, I hear all this shit at work. It's all red sox fans so everyone on NY sucks and is overrated and gay, don't forget gay. And the only reason they win games is because of their payroll. Second highest payroll in baseball...... Oh right, Boston. When you're an Indians fan you can bitch about payroll. Not when in Boston.

A lot of SSs field stuff behind the 3rd basemen. It's easier to be movind sideways as you can see the ball then back like a 3rd baseman would need to.

Derek Jeter:
Average: .309
HR: 19
OBP: .389
RBI: 70
SB: 14
R: 122

Miguel Tejada:
Average: .304
HR: 26
OBP: .349
RBI: 98
SB: 5
R: 89

I think you could argue Jeter's a slightly better fielder. So I just don't see what makes Tejada's numbers better.


This post has been edited by Rylinkus: Oct 7 2005, 09:26 PM

[robgue]

im with rylinkus on this. i dont think he's overated. the guy is clutch and a selfless player that will lay down a bunt or jump into the stands for a foul ball. rylinkus im glad someone outside of houston or an astros fan is picking up on oswalt. he's finally getting his due though. so is brad lidge since gagne is out. im not saying gangne isn't also very good but lidge is better.
the red sox team = overated. i get tired of espn just talking about red sox or yankees. got old real quick.

[Rylinkus]

im with rylinkus on this. i dont think he's overated. the guy is clutch and a selfless player that will lay down a bunt or jump into the stands for a foul ball. rylinkus im glad someone outside of houston or an astros fan is picking up on oswalt. he's finally getting his due though. so is brad lidge since gagne is out. im not saying gangne isn't also very good but lidge is better.
the red sox team = overated. i get tired of espn just talking about red sox or yankees. got old real quick.

When the Astros got Pettitte and everyone was saying they had now got an ace, (Remember Clemens came later), I was justing banging my haed off the wall. What about Miller and Oswalt. Look at their numbers. Better then Pettitte.

[robgue]

very true. (although petite is having a fantastic second half)miller was very good at the time. all i heard about was prior and wood. wood will forever be injured and priour is injured like oswalt was. i thought and still think zambrano the best of the lot though. guess you are a baseball guy...
look at the red sox. no pitching this year in the playoffs, god awful bullpen and everyone was predicting that they would win because of ortiz and manny. many people underestimated the offensive production of the white sox becuse they dont have some superstar names out there(that little collaspe at the end didn't help of course)

[XBL_SUCKS]

My guess is your a red sox fan due to the reese comments. Which means you have to dislike Jeter and most likely Rivera and A-Rod. Trust me, I hear all this shit at work. It's all red sox fans so everyone on NY sucks and is overrated and gay, don't forget gay. And the only reason they win games is because of their payroll. Second highest payroll in baseball...... Oh right, Boston. When you're an Indians fan you can bitch about payroll. Not when in Boston.

A lot of SSs field stuff behind the 3rd basemen. It's easier to be movind sideways as you can see the ball then back like a 3rd baseman would need to.

Derek Jeter:
Average: .309
HR: 19
OBP: .389
RBI: 70
SB: 14
R: 122

Miguel Tejada:
Average: .304
HR: 26
OBP: .349
RBI: 98
SB: 5
R: 89

I think you could argue Jeter's a slightly better fielder. So I just don't see what makes Tejada's numbers better.

Great point Jeter is a lead off hitter and Tejada is a number 3 or 4 hitter you do the math. Derek Jeter is one hell of a althete period both are great players but I would pick Jeter over Tejada to build my team around any day.

[Rylinkus]

very true. (although petite is having a fantastic second half)miller was very good at the time. all i heard about was prior and wood. wood will forever be injured and priour is injured like oswalt was. i thought and still think zambrano the best of the lot though. guess you are a baseball guy...
look at the red sox. no pitching this year in the playoffs, god awful bullpen and everyone was predicting that they would win because of ortiz and manny. many people underestimated the offensive production of the white sox becuse they dont have some superstar names out there(that little collaspe at the end didn't help of course)

Id loved Kerry Wood when he came up. I still like him a lot. He's a good guy. But he was a kid when he came up. A kid that threw thunder and made you remember what the word phenom meant. But young arms are fragile and in the wrong system they're not protected. Look at these kids throwing curves in little league now. Pathetic that their parents and coaches would let them throw that at a young age when it's so detrimental to their arms. I only hope seattle it vigilant in it's protection of Hernandez. So far so good, they don't even let him throw a curve.

[robgue]

xbl sux - that's a tough one to call. they both have they're strenths and weaknesses. if arod were still a shortstop would you pick him? im thinkng jeter to build a team around cuz i like his make up.
i see what your saying about wood. i never said he wasn't a very good pitcher just used them to talk about the under exposure of others.he pitched too many innings. r they gonna throw him in the bullpen if he breaks down again? zambrano is young and will get better. he's more a groundbal then strike out pitcher like wood. he racks up the pitch counts too

This post has been edited by robgue: Oct 7 2005, 11:33 PM

[Rylinkus]

xbl sux - that's a tough one to call. they both have they're strenths and weaknesses. if arod were still a shortstop would you pick him? im thinkng jeter to build a team around cuz i like his make up.
i see what your saying about wood. i never said he wasn't a very good pitcher just used them to talk about the under exposure of others.he pitched too many innings. r they gonna throw him in the bullpen if he breaks down again? zambrano is young and will get better. he's more a groundbal then strike out pitcher like wood. he racks up the pitch counts too

There's plenty of guys thaqt dont get props. Look at Smoltz last night. Greatest post season pitcher ever aside from maybe Jack Morris. Everyone expected Clemens to roll. (No disrespect meant to Roger) How bout ALL of the White Sox pitchers. You guys just watch El Duque? Kevin Milwood gets no love. I also like J Johnson. He simply eats innings. Every team needs a guy like that to rest their pen.