Get It Running Efficiently!, Solution to running Windows! Options

[big_xbox_n00bie]

We need to get a beta copy of win xpe and start playing around and how far it gets to runs, runs with vmware etc etc

Otherwise we should just let it die.

-BxN

[thecrazy]

Well well... that doesnt sound good...

Still anyways i had some neet stuff started for the website.

Im going to keep this on my HD until we know what is gonna happen.

If we find our coder somewere ill keep working or if we decide to go ahead with embended.... anyways...

Just one small question.. Wont XPE run regular win32 apps???

Cause I dont get it why we would try to hack a bios if we could get xpe to run....

sounds easier to me... please educate me.

[LESTAT]

yes embedded runs win32 apps sheesh fellas all it is is windows XP with no hardware restrictions.

think of xp embedded as OLD linus, you give it the hardware drivers tell it to use them and then you pick the XP cmponents you wantto install, gui, networking, internet explorer and whatever else. its not setup to install like linux but its the same mentallity.

and here is an embedded overview, read thru it it shows exactly what you do in a round about what YOU tell it what features and compnonents to use then you make an install image.
http://msdn.MS.com/library/default....EmbeddedTop.asp

and i SWEAR there is a beta you can use to try free from MS. if not ill ask my buddy how you go about getting embedded if your not working for someone who uses it. i messaged him but its 9am so he might be asleep. ill let you know.
ive already talked to him about helping you guys out but since he is the IT and Development manager he dont really have any time.

***EDIT**

here it is embedded evaluation hhmm did you fellas even try MS's site ? i hope so lol hey are offering all kinds of free stuff these days.
http://www.windowsembeddedkit.com/LandingP...spx?source=1013

This post has been edited by LESTAT: Feb 6 2005, 04:59 PM

[big_xbox_n00bie]

Ok heres a list of targets

First we need to try XPE under VMARE and see how well it runs

Next we need to see if it will run alone, otherwise we need a hacked bios.


-BxN

[LESTAT]

well if your talking running under xbox linux forget it.. unless your using a 128meg box linux just uses too much memory otherwise.

as for how it runs ona PC ? let me tell you its like the speed of running windows 95 on a brand new pent 4 or amd 64 with all the stability of xp with only the features that you want to install, none of the bloated stuff you have when you do an install of regular XP.
Ive only seen one machine running xp and lordy it was on the desktop by the time the monitor was fully on. there is no load time post takes longer than xp does to load.

and like ive tried to expain to you gents dozens of times embedded, is designed if you look around the m$ embedded site to run on some absolutely whacky hardware,, and runs as small or fat as you want it but you have to tell it how to install you set it up with a gui tell it what drivers to use it then creates a boot install image and a remote install image,, no what might be even better is using the remote install set up and installing it via FTP or telenet thru to your xbox.
file system is irrelevant as far as i know since it runs off flashroms.

i used to have the xbox hardware drivers but no longer do, dont know what happened to them guess i thought i would never need them, ill have to find them again cuz if i do i could possibly try to work up an embedded install image.
but since ive never used embedded id need the time to learn it which i dont think its very hard my buddy who is an embedded programmer said its a piece of cake all you need is the hardware drivers.

so if one of you getns have the win32 xbox nic video and mobo drivers pm me.

[big_xbox_n00bie]

How we gunna make it boot at startup like a dash?

-Edit

We have a few options, WinXP should cover the nic port with its inbuilt drivers, mobo shouldn't be a problem ethier. Only thing is video but we could ask the linux peoples for one? Other ways are write one or use trial and error.

-BxN

This post has been edited by big_xbox_n00bie: Feb 7 2005, 03:35 AM

[Shadow7789]

If you want to use WinXPE so badly, go ahead. But, this thread is for normal Windows distros, such as 98. Start your own thread, it isn't that hard. This project will get back on it's feet. Its not like people banned from the forums drop off the face of the earth.

As a side note, maybe we should move this thread to somewhere else so that our "leaders" can participate.

[LESTAT]

If you want to use WinXPE so badly, go ahead.  But, this thread is for normal Windows distros, such as 98.  Start your own thread, it isn't that hard.  This project will get back on it's feet.  Its not like people banned from the forums drop off the face of the earth.

As a side note, maybe we should move this thread to somewhere else so that our "leaders" can participate.

i have no idea what you been reading but this entire thread has been dedicated to getting XP PE and XP Embedded running, not "normal" windows.

we already know that 95 runs with xbox dos and 98 barely runs.
2k is impossible thus far and so is XP.

if you want as it seems you do, win95 98 then YOU go to one of the other threads, as the entire 6 pages has been about XP not 98.
id take 98 hell why not, but definately not thru a dos emu, must run natively. which means formatting one of your partitions as Fat32. or Fat16 sme for XP its either gotta be Fat32 or NTFS.

CE Embedded or XP Embedded or the oly tru choices, and XP embedded install is smaller than 95 or 98 ever thought about being. less than 100 megs for XP with video mobo and networking. Explorer with full gui.

[LESTAT]

big xbox...

nothing in the xbox will be native to XP the nic is an nforce NIC and thats not native. Native motherboard drivers would be included in xp i THINK but that wont work well, the ide probably would be ok,, but the agp and other controllers would need proper drivers.
i definately deleted the video and sound drivers and im peeved i wish i had kept them.
im sure the XDK has them though,,, but alas i dont have it and have no intention on downloading it.

[big_xbox_n00bie]

Hmm... I guess we could ask the Linux peoples for one but it would need to be recoded to work with windows xpE. I'll try and hunt down those drivers.

-BxN

[LESTAT]

that really pisses me off that i deleted those drivers cuz i dont think "you know where" has them,, but it might heck someone go there and look under the pc section see if the drivers are there.

ill poke around at other places see if the drivers are around anywhere

[Shadow7789]

^^^^^^^    I feel sorry for you H8raid, people really are stupid here. What if people actually read what's been written.... They will make win 98(se), and when they've accomplished that, the discussion about any other os can be brought up again. Please don't bother the authors with stupid discussions.

Very well put Gronne, thank you

EDIT:  I just actually read the post by xspidman, quit smoking crack.  This kid obviously has no idea what the fuck he is doing and is just posting to waste time.  No shit less ram is a good thing, really, I don't think that was a given or anything!  Also, about running the games and Windows at the same time, show me where any of the project members have EVER discussed this, they haven't, it is your own little fantasy and is not going to happen.  If it were going to ever happen, you would want to look for it out of linux.  I wasn't going to bitch at you, except your post was just too fucking flamboyantly retarded to let it stand.

Not Working on 98, Eh? THis is on Page 14 of this thread.

I wasn't gonna bitch you about this, but after rereading your posts, I couldn't resist. The whole point of this thread is so that I could Pop My Win 98 Disc in my Xbox, and install it. Don't tell me that 98 can't Run on the Xbox. We all know the xbox exceeds the min specs. What do you think Betaluva has been working on? Dosbox? THe goal of this project is to run Win 98 natively. Just look at the title of this thread. "Getting it Running Efficiently" This can't be referring to WinXPE, because, use logic, it hasn't been ported yet, and we would not have that running efficiently, Win98 is where our problems lie.

This post has been edited by Shadow7789: Feb 8 2005, 03:41 AM

[turrican8888]

Hmm... About XP. Take a look at BartPE. That thing creates a version of M$ Windows XP that boots from a CD. It needs the XP SP1 files and copies them to a dest dir, and finally creates the iso. I'm too lazy to try building it again( I had it a few months ago and I lost it).
That thing removes the fat and boots a custom windows graphic shell(explorer would give you 8=====D, because of read-only FS of the CD)
I don't remember what can be run under it though.
Now vmware allows to mount an iso as a CD-ROM ...
I'll try this thing when I have a keyboard connected to the box

About bochs:
WTF? ROTFL! OMG, FFS, STFU
If you want a x86 emulator that doesn't suck, try http://www.qemu.org
It's kinda, errm... SIXTY FIVE TIMES FASTER than bochs. That may mean a Pentium Pro 200 instead of a i386 16MHz
You can only run it under XBOX Linux though. It can run DOS, WINDOWS, Linux, Darwin, BSD, BeOS, whatever you throw at it.
I'm been thinking about compiling a small gentoox linux kernel and a ramdisk, cutting all the fat, just to boot this beauty. With a linux kernel patch provided on that website it runs even faster.

This post has been edited by turrican8888: Feb 8 2005, 05:17 AM

[thecrazy]

Hum... ok everyone relax were just talking of XPE to pass the time while scan-c comes back to life...

Im still not clear about one thing though .... and b4 anyone says READ THE THREAD!
I want to say that i have been following it from the start so...

What is our goal exactly and why?

Were trying to run windows applicaiton on a xbox or are we trying to make windows 98 run on a xbox?

There is a BIG difference.

As far as i know everyone wants window on their xbox to run windows compatible software, emulators etc....

Now... I know this was discussed b4 but Arent we blinding ourself here from the real goal ? I mean, i dont think putting a toothpick on the moon just for saying you did is really worth all the effort. All you want is a freaking toothpick. Ya know what i mean?

Its like going from point a to point b pasing through the whole alphabet first.

Im all for getting win98 running on the xbox but will it give us anything more than xpe? thats what i want to know. Will it be faster? Will it run better? or are we just doing this for pride?!

Please give me a straight answer and no flaming about xpe or not xpe. Its a simple question and im sure im not the only one asking it.

Have a good day!

this guy had one to many --->

This post has been edited by thecrazy: Feb 8 2005, 01:17 PM

[big_xbox_n00bie]

The title says get IT running efficently not windows 98

Scan-c is gone for good i think.

XPe is much better and a reasonable thing to run, win98 is just slow and shit on xbox. If you are wondering "I cant afford a winxpe license!" There is a FREE beta copy that you could run legally.

-BxN