To All The Bitches Crying About Prices, And, packages of the 360 Options

[justsumdude]

you need to stop fucking crying about everything. if you dont have the cash, dont fucking buy one. if you want something cheap, wait for the sorry ass Revolution. the ps3 is gonna cost alot more than the 360. buy a core system, save some more cash then buy the accessories you want. $399 aint bad at all for the system IMO. Im getting 2 of these bitches, keeping one and selling the other on ebay at Xmas time. then I will have more cash for games, and controllers or whatever other accessories. bottom line, if you want one but cant afford it, get a fucking job, or ask for extra hours at your current job, aint that hard to come up with the extra cash.

This post has been edited by justsumdude: Aug 19 2005, 03:24 AM

[Mr.Sci-Fi]

Nah let them bitch, I just hope it's helpfull and directed towards MS in the form of nasty emails to them. That way it might make a positive impact for those who still want the system. I myself have 4 preminum units on order and I can hardly wait for them.

[kermit007]

Wow...I smell an asshole...Most of the core/accessory system argument doesn't come from being poor so that 1337est pricks like you can preach how you have better/more bling to your system than someone else (hell not to mention you get your own fans being pissants with the other fans over the VERSION they have/want), but more to the splintering of the userbase and uncertainty of if MS should have even bothered with the "extras" like the HD. With a non HD model on the market it means all games will be developed without the HD in mind which is a piss ass poor decision. The people without the HD think they got a shit system since they can't take advantage of the extra features and the ones with the HD model end up getting shortchanged since almost the entire function of the HD is to extort more cash from the userbase. Not really make the games better. And lets not forget the whole eaise of use of consoles not needing to be UPGRADED. A 20gig drive like that is just one step closer to just being a PC where I have to upgrade parts continualy. I do that enough as is. I don't need that shit to play a game in the home theater.

I buy every console when it hits along with the big accesories, but once again (PSP is the same way) for once I'm finally sitting on the sidelines due to MS having no clue whatsoever about what direction they want the 360 to go in (seems more they are depending on the "fans" to do that for them which will lead to nothing but trouble since once it's on the market its TOO DAMN LATE TO CHOOSE THE DIRECTION). PS3 seems to be the same way too to me. The only system so far to show an ounce of direction is the only one not touting thier computing schlong is bigger than thier competitors. Just the one thing they always deliver on. Good fsking games.

BTW I love the avatar Sci-Fi

This post has been edited by kermit007: Aug 19 2005, 03:59 AM

[lex luther]

you need to stop fucking crying about everything. if you dont have the cash, dont fucking buy one. if you want something cheap, wait for the sorry ass Revolution. the ps3 is gonna cost alot more than the 360. buy a core system, save some more cash then buy the accessories you want. $399 aint bad at all for the system IMO. Im getting 2 of these bitches, keeping one and selling the other on ebay at Xmas time. then I will have more cash for games, and controllers or whatever other accessories. bottom line, if you want one but cant afford it, get a fucking job, or ask for extra hours at your current job, aint that hard to come up with the extra cash.

Yeh i agree!!

Some fell to understand they don't have to buy a bunch of games at launch. I'm getting the $399 system and 3 games i done preorderd at ebgames as soon as they started taking them and i have a plain!! I'm going to rent games from gamefly to so see what i like you can keep them as long as you want or you can even rent them at blockbusters or somthing you don't have to buy any games at launch. I like the pack like i said many times so i can run in get every thing in one box!! If all that was split up and time taxes was done with you. You would be paying $500. I really don't think its a bad deal. Your going to need all that stuff any ways and the core system is really for those 56kers who don't have fast access!! So micorsoft figures the 56kers have no use for a hard drive because they can't download the xbox codecs or play xbox live!!. I'm really happy everything is in one pack all you have to do is open it and set up xbox live and play.

[Anhaedra]

Yeh i agree!!

Some fell to understand they don't have to buy a bunch of games at launch. I'm getting the $399 system and 3 games i done preorderd at ebgames as soon as they started taking them and i have a plain!! I'm going to rent games from gamefly to so see what i like you can keep them as long as you want or you can even rent them at blockbusters or somthing you don't have to buy any games at launch. I like the pack like i said many times so i can run in get every thing in one box!! If all that was split  up and time taxes was done with you. You would be paying $500. I really don't think its a bad deal. Your going to need all that stuff any ways and the core system is really for those 56kers who don't have fast access!! So micorsoft figures the 56kers have no use for a hard drive because  they can't download the xbox codecs or play xbox live!!. I'm really happy everything is in one pack all you have to do is open it and set up xbox live and play.

Yes, but $100 for a 20 gig HDD is a goddamn ripoff.

[KAGE360]

I buy every console when it hits along with the big accesories, but once again (PSP is the same way) for once I'm finally sitting on the sidelines due to MS having no clue whatsoever about what direction they want the 360 to go in (seems more they are depending on the "fans" to do that for them which will lead to nothing but trouble since once it's on the market its TOO DAMN LATE TO CHOOSE THE DIRECTION). PS3 seems to be the same way too to me. The only system so far to show an ounce of direction is the only one not touting thier computing schlong is bigger than thier competitors. Just the one thing they always deliver on. Good fsking games.

you should do some reading before speaking. MS does know what direction they are in. with MS making 85% of the 360s the complete package how are they depending on the fans to choose their direction? it has been said that it is not hard at all to program a game to see whether or not a HD is in and to take advantage of all the possibilities.

Alright first thing first is that 85% of the Xbox360's Made will be the Premium Package that includes the HDD. The other 15% will be the core systems without the HDD.

Game developers are aware of this, with a 85% HDD attach rate from the start combined with MS's tools, makes it easy to enable disc caching and take advantage of it and also make tags to cache to RAM when the HDD is not present.

The HDD in the 360 is a 20Gb SATA 2.5" Laptop drive that weighs considerably less and is roughly 3x-5x faster than the HDD found in the original Xbox. This HDD is not a 20gb drive you can find for $15 at a flee market. It costs considerably more.

Developers are still writing games to cache to a HDD just like they always have on the Xbox. Those Xbox360's that do not have a HDD will experience 2x-3x more loading time. Also the absence of the ability to save music and save game data will be the only con of not having a HDD.

Those of you who think this idea will flop take a moment to consider that if Core Xbox360's are few in number and are not widely available like the Premium Xbox30 bundle is, which console do you think those mommys and dadys are going to buy? The one they can find almost anywhere as Christmas approaches fast or the one they dont see as often and offers less features?

When it comes to crunch time people are going to spend the extra $100 to guarantee that they will be able to give their son or daughter the gift they want.

All you hardcore faithful have not been forgotten. The HDD will still play a very important role in the Xbox360 just as it has with the original Xbox. Nothing has changed from the Developers stand point. And nothing has changed from the ammount of features available to the Hardcore gamer.

if that doesnt clear some things up then some people are hopeless

bottom line is that they are using this strategy to reach more people and get their consoles into as many homes as possible before the rivals release their systems.

[Carlo210]

http://www.igniq.com/2005/08/elder-scrolls...e-xbox-360.html

Games are already using the Harddrive, so please stop thinking the harddrive will be ignored.

[lex luther]

Yes, but $100 for a 20 gig HDD is a goddamn ripoff.

If you think about it for a moment your really not paying $100 for a 20gig when you buy the package because you get Remote/wireless controller/ xbox live headset/ 20 gig/. I think its a good deal. But your welcome to think what you want.

[EverestX]

you need to stop fucking crying about everything. if you dont have the cash, dont fucking buy one

Whew, and I thought I was the only one like "Why are all these people acting like full grown bitches" Cry it up dudes, get a 360 with no backwards compatability with no hd av pac and some other shit.. Or suck it up, tell your girl you aren't buying dinner for the next month and buy the real thing.

... I don't see whay it's such a big deal. tehy gave you a choice so you would be happy.. Now everyone is crying because of a $100 hard drive and blablabl .. stfu, I mean seriously.. Wireless controller that SHOULD cost you $50, headset $30, Hard drive $50, HD av pack $50. Do the math.. Keep Crying, you guys are starting to make me think this is an emo kid forum.

[minimoebius]

The trend in consoles has been to release a more powerful console for the same price or less than existing consoles. People look towards such trends to form expectations. When something contradicts someones expectations, you are going to have people complain. Even if the increased price is justified, people are going to complain. People complain about higher gas prices, utility bills, rental rates, property values, taxes, etc. Get over it. Besides, complaining about the price of goods and services can have a positive effect. It could generate negative press or create a following of people who are unwilling to pay the high prices. The effect of these actions can lead to lower prices. On the other hand, simply complaining in the attempt to stifle such voices serves no purpose at all.

[liqwidsky]

The trend in consoles has been to release a more powerful console for the same price or less than existing consoles.  People look towards such trends to form expectations.  When something contradicts someones expectations, you are going to have people complain.  Even if the increased price is justified, people are going to complain.  People complain about higher gas prices, utility bills, rental rates, property values, taxes, etc.  Get over it.  Besides, complaining about the price of goods and services can have a positive effect.  It could generate negative press or create a following of people who are unwilling to pay the high prices.  The effect of these actions can lead to lower prices.  On the other hand, simply complaining in the attempt to stifle such voices serves no purpose at all.

That just makes WAY too much sense.

[ILLusions0fGrander]

ill bitch about the price.. but not because i cant afford it, but because its too much.
now if the game quality is at least 75% beter than xbox 1's, i wont complain, but until i see that... theres no reason to pay this much for a system.
and just to state, game quality does not = graphics in my book.

[Carlo210]

If game graphics doesn't mean good quality, how can you know that the games are of low quality? All we have been seeing are screens and vids, showing us the graphics and not much of anything else.

I respect your views, but stating such a thing about games and a console should wait until you give them a test run.


I can assure you, if you like Xbox, you will like Xbox 360 to the least bit. If you feel that it's too expensive for high definition, jaggy-free, butter smooth, freshly designed, genre-introductory, live aware, fully expandable with online content, fully customizeable in-game playlist, etc etc games, then we'd love to see you sit there without an Xbox360, not playing newcoming hits such as Quake 4, Oblivion, Perfect Dark Zero, Call of Duty 2, Kameo: Eop, Gears of War, Prey, The Outfit, PGR3, Full Auto, Saints Row, Frame City Killer, etc etc and more etc. Funny thing is, I only named the highly-acclaimed Xbox360 launch-window exclusives.

This post has been edited by Carlo210: Aug 22 2005, 03:37 AM

[Deftech]

The R500 core alone is worth the price of admission IMO.

Throw in a custom & pricey triple core setup, edram, and half a gig of blistering fast memory...

I dont even think about the hdd, headset, remote, controller, and whatever else. Its all about whats inside the case.

I paid $400.00 for a console 10 years ago that had 4 megs of sys memory and a whopping 27 mhz cpu, and dont regret it one bit. Oh, and it came with a controller and a pack in game(VF)

$400.00 for the 360 is a fuggin joke of a price in comparison. Thats HOW I see things, and it makes handing out the $$ a LOT easier.