Opened A Xbox To Find A Hitachi-lg Dvdrom, **MERGED TOPICS** Options

[wenid]

part two...

You call it "nit-picking" I call it engineering.

Oh, I see. So all engineers find it necessary to preface their forum posts with an attack on someone else, do they?

I call it doing it right.

Except that you don't post any useful information on how to actually DO anything. For exmaple, in this latest case it was Stitch_626 who provided the really useful post.

Since your drive is perfectly functional "as-is" than why do you persue this thread?

If you must know it's just because I haven't got around to turning off the email notifications for it, so I get emails saying there's been a new posting and I just have a look out of curiosity. Alright? Any other habits of mine you want to call into question for no apparent reason?

Why did you switch from your bullshit OpAmp circuit to this much easier cleaner hack?

Duh! I dunno, Fred, why do sumping easy dat works better instead of sumping harder?
As I tried to explain to you about a thousand times in that PM exchange, I was ALWAYS about finding a better/easier/quicker way of doing the mod. It's only you that grimly sticks to your guns despite all evidence that you've made a mistake.
And before you keep on with this implication that I chose "YOUR" better way over "MY" worse way, you might like to remember that NONE of your posts so far have actually advanced anything here. All the work I've done in bringing this forward is based on ideas put forward by other people FIRST and occasionally re-hashed by you. At best, you've served as a reminder of ideas that might have been temporarily forgotten about.

I mean, your drive was perfectly functional "as-is"........

I never made that claim at that time. I thought you were all about getting it right. You got it wrong this time.

If your satisfied, good for you. The rest of us will continue to develop a "proper" fix for this unit whether YOU think it is needed or not.

What "rest of us"? Stitch_626 has already explained what needs to be done.

Later I will post what I know about the RF/Servo issue. It's not a big deal. Just 2 cuts and a jumper. Sure beats an OpAmp!

Yes it does. So what? You really are pathetic.

I certainly have no interest in continuing this, particularly as, once again, you don't really seem to have anything new to say. I'm sure you'll post a follow-up since your kind always has to have the last word, even (especially?) when they don't really have anything new to say. I won't respond unless there IS something new in it. I had enough of repeating myself in an attempt to get through your thick skin and/or skull in our PM exchange.

[skyhi]

Guys - this has gotten out of hand - let's stick to the mod please..

[sorcer1]

peace ! guys ! peace !

we need both of you to make a firmware for cdr and originals readings !

[Cio]

Yeah, like STFU and let me buy all of you a few beers to show you how much i love ANYONE who EVEN TRIES to do ANYTHING for the scene.

so more

And no i aint gay

[sicilianosperto]

we need both of you to make a firmware for cdr and originals readings !

I got my drive working in the XBox. Mine plays originals, but not cd-r's. This is flashed with the 8050L firmware. Does no one else's play originals?

[ferrari_rulz_02]

ok, can we get a recap post here to say whats been acheived?

is there any tut's been written on this baby yet?

[jgranie]

we need both of you to make a firmware for cdr and originals readings !

Yeah, You did a great job until now. The most important is not to determine what is the best method nor who worked harder.
We understand that it is an important personal investment so thx to anyone who helps.

[bourke]

Wenid: don't worry - everyone here can see that you have done most of the hard work and tht Tiros is just a frustrated attention-seeker a mere few steps away from a (much needed) self-administered prefrontal lobotomy!

[Jinxter]

All, but specifically Wenid and TruBB

Now I had a thought which is rare but does happen occassionally and normally these are quite good. This thought was originally about the differences between the old and new Samsung drives ... mechanically these don't appear that different, but one reads CDR and the other doesn't.

So if we combine this thought with the fact that the 8163B when a PC drive reads CD, but when flashed with 8050 firmware doesn't, I would make the assumption that something has been changed on the firmware, wouldn't you?

... now taking this a step further what if the same changes has been made in the firmware for the Samsung ... if we directly compared the 2 Samsung firmwares then we see what the differences were wouldn't we? and what has specific changes have made the Samsungs stop reading CDRs, this would be kinda similar within the firmware of the 8050 I would think.

Following this though also as a test I intend to flash a new Samsung with the old Samsung firmware just to see if my theory holds any water (and these drives start reading CDRs!), I'll get back on this to let you know what happens.

What do you guys thing of this logically if a little hopeful thinking?

Cheers
Jinxter

[Stitch_626]

It's not a simple comparision between two firmwares. Take for example 605b and 616f f/w. Both have 1megabit chips but the code is vastly different. What I have determined is, both have been written in "C". Therfore, when they are compliled the code becomes quite different despite the fact "C" programs are possibly similar. For the lg drive I suspect it would be no different one would need to write a "C" decompiler which is fairly difficult, so as to make any sense of the code.

[Jinxter]

HI,

Yeah I understand that, but I'm not talking about a comparrison of the firmware on a Samsung a PC 616 and an Xbox 605 ... instead I'm refering to the possible differences in the firmware of the original Xbox Samsung drive that was manunfactured up to about April 04, and the newer Hitachi/Samsung drives from August 04 ... the newer Hitachi/Samsungs despite looking indentical mechanically even down to the lense do not read CDRs, I was hypothesising that this was down to a slightly altered firmware and therefore a direct comparisson of the firmware from the old Smasung drive (that does read CDR) and the newer firmware (that doesn't read CDR) may lead to a better understanding of what has been altered in the 8050 compared to the 8163b to make it stop reading CDR, i.e. a clearly denoted differnet block of code. That way we'd have a block of code in a kind of before and after comparrible state (if you see what I mean - this block allows CDR reading this newer block dosen't).

As I say just a thought but I'll have a go extracting the firmware from a newer Samsung and then flash the new Samsung DVD drive with an older firmware to see if this will enable CDR reading as a test of this hypothesis.

Cheers
Jinxter

[Tiros]

It's only you that grimly sticks to your guns despite all evidence that you've made a mistake.

This is what wenid didn't like:
My Suggestion
And this is his reply:

Your "logic" in this posting is seriously and fairly obviously flawed in several ways. I wonder how long it will take you to work it out...? I'm tempted to post an explanation, but I can just imagine where that will lead. I suppose the question is whether the potential benefit to the project is worth it. What do you think?

Please identify MY mistake, other than trying to educate you.
I was not the only one you attacked when your ideas began to fall apart and you threw your little temper tantrum.

Why don't you post that explanation of how my logic is so "seriously and obviously flawed"

[Jinxter]

Sorry Tiros, not trying to be clever but ....

this is now way off topic, and if you want to carry on flaming each other please do so via PM or any other means, don't impose it on this thread, it's not big or clever to see two guys who advance this mod behaving like ill tempered little bratts!

PLEASE GUYS BOTH ENOUGH!

Jinxter

[maximilian0017]

Guys please,

It looks like you arent going to resolve this any time soon, so please let it be.

We're all trying to get to the same goal, get this drive working with origionals/cdr's and at 16X without it blowing up in our face and/or not working half of the time .

You both have contributed to the cause, even thinking about it and replying with any info will help, maby it will spring somebody else into doing something.

So if you are offended by anyone just ignore them and post your findings so we can all close this thread at some time soon with a big smile (and for some maby a little profit(no, not me))

We have to keep rolling and use the momentum we have to get to the place we want to be.

And everyone can have a different idea, thats a good thing, so we can learn from eachother.
Wenid likes opamps and flashreaders, Tiros likes wires, i like resistors(and my wife:-) and Skyhi likes hexedit, ....(including everybody here).... etc etc looks like a good team to me.

Tiros and Stitch 626, is there any possiblity to get some more info/pictures etc on the Servo bit, there are enough people here to prove/disprove your findings.
(i'm really interested in this info but i do not have a 8050 to compare it to)

So come on, lets make this work.

This post has been edited by maximilian0017: Apr 26 2005, 06:04 PM

[Tiros]

Sorry Tiros, not trying to be clever but ....
PLEASE GUYS BOTH ENOUGH!
Jinxter

Your right jinx,
I just can't control myself when someone bashes my ideas without substantiation.
It pisses me off that the guy argued, ridiculed and belittled my theories all along. Now that I have proven myself correct, he comes along like he invented the theory, and knew it all along. He proclaims the project "finished" and says that I didn't contribute anything. Where was he when the no chip version was being worked on, what did he contribute? NOTHING! He was busy crying at home because he didn't want other kids playing in his sandbox.