Already differences in Xbox 360 motherboards Options

[XanTium]

Already differences in Xbox 360 motherboards -- Posted by XanTium on November 17 00:59 EST
HKMods found out something interesting while comparing the images of the Xbox 360 motherboard posted yesterday by Andatech and those by Steblublu/Softlife.
From hkmod.com:
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By checking some picture side by side we noticed different packages used for some chips already, it should be related to an IC shortage in production as we know Microsoft should be producing a very large quantity of those past weeks ;)
Hopefully it's not already some differents revisions.

We also read that the TSOP flash is a HYNIX HY27US08281A. While Xbox-Scene said that this could be the storage device of the dashboard and the kernel should be stored in/on/onto the processor.
We believe that some page are definitely for Dashboard, while at least one or more should be dedicated to an encrypted kernel, we strongly believe (have to be proven) that the CPU may hold data, but probably Public Key only and some Unique Data. (eFuse ?)

Stay tuned we will post more as soon as we get our hands on the other one ;)
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Like in Team Xecuter(info)'s news item they also refer to Xbox360 ISO hoaxes (?) they found on the net in a 2nd news post. The day something gets confirmed on this front we'll let you know - but it's unlikely to be any time soon I guess.
News-Source: http://www.hkmod.com.

[mantorok]

Its impressive the fact that xbox hasnt come oficialy still but there has been done a quite advance in its modding, as from what i heard theres had been better progress than the firts xbox mods. GRATZ!!!!!

[CMods]

Well, they are just using couple of different but exchangeable chips. It's nothing new; even on first Xboxes flash chips from several manufacturers were used. Now they just got a bit more versatility as not only the model number but also package type can change. And if you remove a video chip from 1.0-1.5 box you'll notice that there are pads for a smaller form factor chip underneath, so even on older boxes MS were prepared to use different chip packages if necessary.

And I think it's also pretty clear that using different package types doesn't have any major effect on moddability as long as the motherboard is the same (as it obviously is in these pictures).


This post has been edited by CMods: Nov 17 2005, 09:30 AM

[ibemonty2000]

I hope this doesn't have a big impact on mods. Then again, I barely have a clue to what they are talking about. I wonder the reason behind this.

-Monty

[CMods]

I wonder the reason behind this.

They just want to be able to use different models of generic chips so they won't be dependent on availability of a certain model or manufacturer. Maybe supplier A (the cheapest one) was able to only supply half of the chips they needed so they sourced rest of the chips from supplier B.

[aepuppetmaster]

u can tell they planed for this seeing as the one on the left still has solder points for the bigger chip on the right. it is just a mater of suplly. the inly thing i can see is that one maybe worse than the other. for example harder to mod/solder. or could u imagin people bitchen cuz there xbox is now less stable or sumtin cuz of one chip (like a specific error). this is of course unlikely but it could happen.

[flashfreak]

I just thought of suttin. Maybe MS is making heaps of different versions of the 360 and selling em all at the same time, ones that are different to others to mod. It'd be a dodgy way to go as they'd have to manufacture different versions at once but a smart move. It'd get rid of a universal chip.

Its a smart idea, but probably not related to the topic Nevermind me, just thinking out loud

[1nick9]

im goin to go with they did the traces for both chipsets due to not being able to get high enough quanity of 1 or the other. shouldnt make much diff, looks just to b same chipset in different packets.

cheers

[ksteiner]

Hope people can mod it soon.........

[Bizquick]

Well I'm sure if enought brains had their has on this before launch they would have hacked it. but I still think it would be funny as hell if it gets hacks like hour after release or some crap.or even in the first week. I think from the fact that these untis are X86 PC based computers. makes this alot easier for the hacking side. MS thinks they are really smart at protection. But to be honest there is alot of PC builders and X86 experts. I don't think this system will be as secure as M$ hopes it to be. I mean look how long it took for Game Cube hack. And don't say its because they didn't have very many working on it. It all because the Hardware instructions are total greek to most programmers. these units are all going to be C++ based x86 core Processors. That means alot of developers and Programmers can take advantage for making applications for these units. really all I'm trying to say is I don't care how much security M$ thinks they have installed on it. Its based on the same rules as basicly Like comparing Windows to Linux. Tthe reason more Windows boxs get hacked it because the precent of Linux users are lower. M$ will not ever be a big game machine leader in Japan or china because of this.

[trey85stang]

Well I'm sure if enought brains had their has on this before launch they would have hacked it. but I still think it would be funny as hell if it gets hacks like hour after release or some crap.or even in the first week. I think from the fact that these untis are X86 PC based computers. makes this alot easier for the hacking side. MS thinks they are really smart at protection. But to be honest there is alot of PC builders and X86 experts. I don't think this system will be as secure as M$ hopes it to be. I mean look how long it took for Game Cube hack. And don't say its because they didn't have very many working on it. It all because the Hardware instructions are total greek to most programmers. these units are all going to be C++ based x86 core Processors. That means alot of developers and Programmers can take advantage for making applications for these units.  really all I'm trying to say is I don't care how much security M$ thinks they have installed on it. Its based on the same rules as basicly Like comparing Windows to Linux. Tthe reason more Windows boxs get hacked it because the precent of Linux users are lower. M$ will not ever be a big game machine leader in Japan or china because of this.

PPC is not X86.

[sick_mate_xbox]

i wonder which one is the 1.0

[Ballz2TheWallz]

i wonder which one is the 1.0

probably the one with the bigger chip cause the small one looks retro fitted

[Bizquick]

PPC is not X86.

All I know is that when they released the spec's of the processor it said it was X86 Based. It may be a PPC processor. but its still operation of X86 function calls. So Its still another PC based product that can be hacked many ways I'm sure. and most likley a software hack will be found first. Knowing M$'s poor quality on software bugs. and infact if the Dashboard is in fact stored on Flash memory or on the TSOP that means the it will be able to write new instructions to the TSOP or flash memory from Xbox-Live so I think hacking this is going to be intresting. I still wonder what the code is for the games like if the are doing digital software keys like on Xbox. Or if they did something diffrent. With as much money as Bill spent on that key encription I doubt he would ditch it. Well someone with Dev kits know more I'm sure.

[ikecomp]

I can't remember where it was stated but one of the big wigs from MS said that the 360 will be hacked but just because a mod works on one of the 360's doesn't mean it will work on others.