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urin8r
post Jan 22 2006, 11:30 PM
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I have installed many Duox2 chips with no problems until now.
I have done one for a mate in his 1.6 box and it is doing something I havn't seen before.
It is using the Evox M8.16 bios
The box boots fine to the std bios with no problems but when he boots it up with the chip on it takes ages to get to the evox menu it stays at the evox bios logo for a long time.
Then when he goes to run a game from the hdd it says that the disk is dirty or damaged.

Anyone have any thought on this.
I have not got the xbox back yet to check everything out but I should be getting it back tonight.

Thanks
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HackDaBox
post Jan 24 2006, 12:54 PM
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Yes i have seen this ( people bring me the worst possible xboxes biggrin.gif ) anyway sometimes it would take like 5 minutes to change from the bios splash screen to the evox screen !!!

Anyway wait forever for it to boot slayers or similar , format the hard drive. power off and on. rebuild the hard drive and the problems gone !

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post Jan 24 2006, 03:40 PM
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Are you sure that the HDD is ok ? Maybe the original dash is on that part of the HDD that is readable correctly and the Evoxdash is on a damaged part. *I mean bad sectors on the HDD usually cause this slowdown, maybe the dirty disk errors appear as the sector cannot be read*

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post Jan 24 2006, 03:42 PM
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In which case HackDaBox's suggestions would still be worth doing as formatting a drive should find bad sectors and mark them as "do not use".. Unless the filesystem on the Xbox hard disk is completely crazy blink.gif
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post Jan 24 2006, 04:19 PM
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HackDaBox's suggestion is definitely worth a try (and coming from him I am sure it will work), cause it either works, great, or you have to buy a new HD, which you would have had to do anyways without trying his suggestion.
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post Jan 24 2006, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(gjm @ Jan 24 2006, 03:49 PM) *

In which case HackDaBox's suggestions would still be worth doing as formatting a drive should find bad sectors and mark them as "do not use".. Unless the filesystem on the Xbox hard disk is completely crazy blink.gif


Of course the Xbox won't mark them so it will use those bad sectrors again. Also bad sectors spread like hell usually, so even those "marked sectors" would not be read, the ones which got damaged since the format will be and there will be a no go again. You really think Xbox will scan your hdd and mark any sector that is damaged under a 5 secs format ? Formatting and bad sector marking will takes some hours in some case (if there are physical bad sectors of course) and that also will not save you from further read errors. Expensive hard drives like SCSI and raid systems can handle BAD SECTORS correctly but drives like you can see in the Xbox do not. (not even if you enable SMART, which I doubt Xbox enables anyway)

As he has nothing to lose of course a format is worth a try, but usually won't help that much on a physically damaged hard drive. To be sure, I'd rather do a backup of my settings/files before the HDD dies totally.

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post Jan 24 2006, 05:02 PM
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Was just using my knowledge of other filesystems and what formats do, a quick format doesnt check for bad blocks but a full one does - isn't there a way to do a full format on an Xbox hard drive?
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post Jan 24 2006, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(gjm @ Jan 24 2006, 05:09 PM) *

Was just using my knowledge of other filesystems and what formats do, a quick format doesnt check for bad blocks but a full one does - isn't there a way to do a full format on an Xbox hard drive?


The full format cannot be done on an Xbox. As defrag is also just a promised feature of the Avalaunch team, hehe. I suppose that the only way to chek the drive is to remove it from the Xbox and put it into a PC (the HDD needs to be unlocked of course) then do a full format. If bad sectors occur, then that is a risky one and should be replaced. As the PC filesystem will mark the bad sectors but you have to reformat the drive into the Xbox once again, so this information will be lost. That is why I suggest not to use these risky drives once again, as physical bad sectors cannot be cured and will cause troubles once again sometime later during the usage.

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post Jan 24 2006, 05:31 PM
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Relax guys ...

The quick format does not mark bad clusters or anything but it did fix the xbox i had here once and also i gave the advice of formatting the hard drive and flashing the bios ( just to make sure ) to a friend that was freaking out when he saw a xbox do the slow motion thing on a xbox he chipped and it worked for him too and neither of these 2 xboxes ever came back so it was a once off problem ( twice biggrin.gif )

Xbox Partisioner may do a better job of formatting but i am not too sure about that ! But in my experiences it is not needed. Also does the xbox has a thompson drive ? i am thinking it may be something to do with bad reading of the dvd-rom drive as the xbox doesn't complain sometimes if it can't read files it just keeps going ( i have had it backup a game to the hard drive and then the game won't play ) but once the laser is tweaked it will work fine ... Not verry good error checking & reporting !

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post Jan 24 2006, 06:03 PM
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Of course the problem may be HDD/DVD/BIOS/board related problem, without looking into the machine it's hard to tell the problem for sure. But would be great to hear what happened, there are some options to try/swap.

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post Jan 24 2006, 10:56 PM
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I got the box back last night and sure enough it took about 2 minutes to go to the dashboard.
I basicly did what HackDaBox had suggested.
I got it to boot to the dvd I then unlocked the HDD (which I didn't relock this time) so if it is a faulty HDD I can format it in a PC to return the drive to the store.
I then reinstalled the dashboard and apps with Slayers from a DVD instead of a copy I had used on cdrw.
Rebooted and all is working as it should now.

Thanks for all your help guys I now have a happy mate.
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post Jan 25 2006, 08:42 AM
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Great stuff ... I forgot to mention that but i also unlocked the hard drive incase i needed to low level format it or something. 2 minutes doesn't sound like a long time but it is when your watching the x logo slowly fade into evox and then the menu crawls up and down !!!

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post Jan 28 2006, 04:44 AM
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I spoke to soon.
It did it again but this time it would not boot at all, luckily I unlocked th HDD when it did manage to boot last time.
I connected the drive to my pc and it wouldnt even show up in the bios meaning it was STUFFED.
I took the drive back to the shop and got a replacement and all is working ok now biggrin.gif
Thanks for all your help guys.
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