Is Anyone Seriously Trying To Get A Full Windows Kernel Running?, seriously, i'd do it myself if i were legally allowed |
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| torne |
Feb 22 2006, 04:30 PM
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Yes, I have read the stickies, and other long tedious posts filled with criticism.  It would be amusing to see a full Windows boot on the Xbox, and there doesn't seem to be that much to do tbh: poke the kernel/HAL/etc to not touch the bits of the address space and PCI bus that kill the machine, and then write a couple of drivers (graphics, mostly, much of the rest of the hardware should be supported). The latter is pretty easy; the Linux port's drivers are there as a reference for how to program the hardware. Is anyone seriously looking at fixing the kernel/HAL to avoid the hardware bugs? It's only a couple of megs of code, with full symbolic information available... I'd do it myself but I have access to, and have spent a lot of time working with, the Windows source (legally under signed NDA) and thus it's extremely dubious for me to reverse-engineer the Windows kernel - I am 'tainted' and would get the project in legal difficulties =( If the fixes to the existing binaries are done I'd be interested to help write the few required drivers, which would not be subject to such restrictions..
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| obcd |
Oct 22 2009, 07:32 PM
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I am sorry if my reply is seen as shooting his idea down. I was just trying to explain that the idea of a fully operational workable xp os on the xbox probably isn't possible, to avoid people starting to ask if it will be possible to run the latest directx 10 games on it once it's ready. It's like the post that the chihiro bios has been dumped, and people wondering if that would make it possible for the xbox to have 512MB of memory and flawlessy HD video playback.
I have even recently tried to recover the sources of the wince port that was made for the xbox. Apparently, the bootloader sources have vanished, so I had to reconstruct them starting from the linux bootloader.
I don't mind sharing this knowledge as long as it looks like it might be usefull to someone. In my opinion, windows CE would be a more logic choice, and would be more doable. It just might not add you to the hall of fame with people having done great achievements for the xbox, as the prove of concept that it can be done has already been made. That doesn't mean that all the possible obstacles that might appear during the development are already solved. There is still a long way to go from the proof of concept to a usefull OS.
As always, I am just spreading my meaning here, and I am fully open for arguments against my thoughts.
regards.
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torne Is Anyone Seriously Trying To Get A Full Windows Kernel Running? Feb 22 2006, 04:30 PM x-fox Well if you are saying you have access to the wind... Feb 23 2006, 02:44 AM torne
Well if you are saying you have access to the win... Feb 23 2006, 05:44 PM  nt authority
As for you, "nt authority", suggesting... Feb 24 2006, 03:22 AM   torne
I am currently working within a team of consultan... Feb 24 2006, 02:12 PM    x-fox
Looks like the answer to my question is 'nobo... Feb 25 2006, 06:49 AM     torne
This windows forum has been seriously pruned of l... Feb 25 2006, 01:59 PM      windowsex
I asked because I'd like to help someone do i... Feb 25 2006, 07:08 PM       torne
I hereby sign myself up for this role;
lets sta... Feb 25 2006, 07:49 PM nt authority WINDOWS SOURCE CODE FOR BOTH NT4 AND WIN2K BUILDS ... Feb 23 2006, 09:31 AM nt authority Anyway, to keep things simple and after reading th... Feb 24 2006, 04:37 AM nt authority all i ask:
torne could you (or anyone here) pleas... Mar 14 2006, 05:40 PM torne
whilst remaining within the xboxkrnl would it be ... Mar 15 2006, 06:02 PM  windowsex
You're confusing several issues. You would ne... May 8 2007, 10:41 PM   torne
Let's not bother writing a new boot loader as... May 9 2007, 11:50 AM nt authority ok, just to make my question clear, i thought i wo... Mar 15 2006, 09:29 AM torne
With WinCE.NET (proof of concept) for the XBOX, a... Mar 15 2006, 06:14 PM nt authority Thanks for your answer Torne.
Again, I wish to r... Mar 16 2006, 09:22 AM torne
Assuming we wish to boot into Windows Preinstalla... Mar 16 2006, 11:44 AM edude03 Here's My (somewhat stupid Probably) Idea.
We... Apr 4 2006, 05:07 PM torne
Here's My (somewhat stupid Probably) Idea.
W... Apr 6 2006, 04:00 PM Trav41514 why start hard, i'm starting a project on port... Jun 25 2006, 09:19 AM torne Porting DOS would be harder, not easier. Getting r... Jun 25 2006, 03:30 PM Trav41514
People said the same thing about windows but now... Jun 25 2006, 11:29 PM Trav41514 Wouldn't it be possible to decompile the curre... Jun 25 2006, 11:54 PM torne
People said the same thing about windows but now ... Jun 26 2006, 09:56 AM m0dul4rX 2 You know, technically Windows is already on Xbo... Jun 26 2006, 10:48 AM torne
You know, technically Windows is already on Xb... Jun 28 2006, 12:17 PM gronne Ok, Torne. You seem to have an incredible understa... Jul 5 2006, 01:18 PM torne
Ok, Torne. You seem to have an incredible underst... Jul 6 2006, 01:46 PM Trav41514 the real reason i want to get DOS up and running i... Jul 7 2006, 12:45 AM torne
the real reason i want to get DOS up and running ... Jul 7 2006, 12:39 PM  Trav41514
Both require NTLDR to bootstrap themselves (which... Jul 9 2006, 04:09 AM   veeper
thats the plan ;-)
why does the xbox lock up whe... Jul 9 2006, 01:32 PM   torne
thats the plan ;-)
So you're going to write ... Jul 10 2006, 02:39 PM SupeRdUPErBlakE NERDS! =D
The vpiu address isn't valid wh... Jul 18 2006, 01:27 PM Micjohvan Im not here to actually help with this discussion ... May 18 2007, 05:56 AM silentnite2608 I understand that you can't get xp running on ... Jun 25 2007, 03:04 AM torne
I understand that you can't get xp running on... Jun 25 2007, 01:43 PM  WindowsOCManage
This is unrelated to the topic being discussed he... Oct 13 2009, 01:53 PM silentnite2608 Sorry just putting out my idea.
Will try to find r... Jun 25 2007, 11:45 PM torne
Sorry just putting out my idea.
Will try to find ... Jun 26 2007, 11:31 AM torne How are you going to bring the kernel up in the fi... Oct 13 2009, 05:19 PM WindowsOCManage
How are you going to bring the kernel up in the f... Oct 13 2009, 10:01 PM torne Sounds good. Let us know how it goes. Oct 14 2009, 10:50 AM 2 Bunny Wow torne, you really kept following this thread... Oct 20 2009, 01:52 AM torne I check back on the windows on xbox board occasion... Oct 21 2009, 03:01 PM 2 Bunny I check back on the windows on xbox board occasio... Oct 21 2009, 10:14 PM obcd It's possible to create a linair framebuffer o... Oct 21 2009, 10:27 PM 2 Bunny It's possible to create a linair framebuffer ... Oct 22 2009, 02:24 AM torne obcd: The guy wants to do it, don't shoot it d... Oct 22 2009, 01:29 PM 2 Bunny obcd: The guy wants to do it, don't shoot it ... Oct 22 2009, 09:06 PM obcd Most devices on the market like pocket pc's an... Oct 23 2009, 08:37 AM pdidd i think the easiest thing to do is use xdsl. u ca... Oct 23 2009, 05:57 PM 2 Bunny i think the easiest thing to do is use xdsl. u c... Oct 23 2009, 09:13 PM pdidd nah i don't believe it. when i had no money i ... Oct 24 2009, 02:49 AM worldwhore3 dsl is farrr from flaky. you need to invest the t... Oct 24 2009, 07:45 AM 2 Bunny dsl is farrr from flaky. you need to invest the ... Oct 24 2009, 05:49 PM  pdidd
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Thats me well ticked off then.
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