QUOTE(rwk71 @ Dec 23 2006, 03:47 AM)

Manning can only carry a team as far as the playoffs. no farther! dont get me wrong he is great. probably has a spot already reseved at the hall of fame just waiting for him. but i honestly believe that peyton will be the greatest QB to NEVER win a Super Bowl. he is gonna blow away Marino's records but he will never get a ring that say's "world champion" on it. however. if they colts would fire Dungy and bring in someone like say.,..Cowher....(who we all know's future isnt certain in Pitt right now) then my view would change. i dont think Dungy (even though he is an ex-Steeler) can coach a team to a championship. only time will tell.....
All Manning not winning in the playoffs proves is that he has NO defense to speak of. None. Christ, they gavce up like 400 yards rushing a few weeks ago. More yards that any team since the merger. Any time you need to bring the merger into a discussion it shows something is VERY wrong. Indy can't stop the run. I'm half convinced I could grind out a 100 yard running game against Indy if need be. Mannings great, but he can't tackle Ron Dayne or whomever. And we shouldnt expect him to. Last year they were a move by Nick Harper away from the bowl. Maybe if he hadnt been stabbed by his GF that week we'd be talking about Indys ring and not Ptts ring. Manning is amazing. He's as good as it gets. If I were starting a team I'd take him over any player in the league. But I'd probably try to add a defense to the team as well.