Typical MS Response to Nikkei Article: No 'major design flaw' Options

[Xbox-Scene]

Typical MS Response to Nikkei Article: No 'major design flaw' Posted by XanTium | August 6 11:48 EST | News Category: Xbox360

From computerandvideogames.com: [QUOTE] The evaluation, carried out by Japanese news source Nikkei, had a thermo design expert analyze the 360's heat radiation system. The test found that a flaw in Xbox 360's design means that it could achieve temperatures of over 100 degrees in the summer (that's hot enough to make a cup of tea). Responding to the report, a Microsoft spokesperson told CVG, "There is no single root cause or systemic issue with any of the Xbox 360 consoles." With such a complex consumer electronic product that contains more than 1700 different components and 500 million transistors, there are obviously many things that can malfunction at any given time. The vast majority of customers who own Xbox 360 consoles continue to have a terrific experience. "As Microsoft didn't participate in the test, we cannot comment on any findings." [/QUOTE] Full Story: computerandvideogames.com

[MIb2347]

The test found that a flaw in Xbox 360's design means that it could achieve temperatures of over 100 degrees in the summer (that's hot enough to make a cup of tea).


And ms dont see that as a problem

[TexT]

Microsoft has already admitted they created the 1st generation of 360's with a design flaw. The 1billion charge for faulty 360's is no joke.

[steveju]

And ms dont see that as a problem

That's because it's not a problem, it's a feature. Just like there's nothing wrong with new Ford's.

EDIT: Just FYI. Ford owns Volvo, and they export Volvos to Europe. I'm not sure about new Fords, but new US made Volvos (-07 & -08 models) have parts inside them that have a big Microsoft logo (mostly electrical components). These US cars usually fail first (vs. European made) or never get to the customers because they're broken when they leave the assembly line.

This post has been edited by steveju: Aug 6 2007, 04:48 PM

[grim_d]

The test found that a flaw in Xbox 360's design means that it could achieve temperatures of over 100 degrees in the summer (that's hot enough to make a cup of tea).
And ms dont see that as a problem

For a start it doesnt state wether it is Celcius or Fahrenheit, If that were 100C then the chips would burn up and the ceramic would crack etc, i've never seen that happen, also the build in overheating protection will shut down the console at around the 80-85C range (those numbers are a little guesswork but i know it has thermal protection). Thus it would be impossible for the chips to reach and run at that temperature, ever.

Now, if it were Fahrenheit it would be 38C and not only is that cold, even for a pretty efficient cooling system but anyone trying to make a cup of tea at 38C is crazy.

So i deduct that this article is bullshit or their temperature measuring equipment is very, very wrong.

This post has been edited by grim_d: Aug 6 2007, 05:07 PM

[thax]

The original article is here: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_...0070801/137224/

Everything in Celsius, I don't think any countries but the US use Fahrenheit anymore. The GPU gets to 80C and they surmise that if the room is hot that it would get to 100C; however they neglected to mention that the exhaust fans can run a variable speeds, in addition they neglected to mention that the console will automatically shutdown if it gets too hot.

I read the original article and there isn't much analysis going on at all. There are much better articles written on x-scene and related sites on the issue.

[yourM0M]

Now, if it were Fahrenheit it would be 38C and not only is that cold, even for a pretty efficient cooling system but anyone trying to make a cup of tea at 38C is crazy.

So i deduct that this article is bullshit or their temperature measuring equipment is very, very wrong.

agreed!

edit after above post^

This post has been edited by yourM0M: Aug 6 2007, 05:18 PM

[DoTsTeR]

"The vast majority of customers who own Xbox 360 consoles continue to have a terrific experience"


Is that like Micorosft's New Marketing Slogan or something?
Seems like we have heard that exact statement about 10 times this year?
It is like their answer to everything anyone says about the xbox 360.

It's definetely programmed into my subconsciense on some level and it definetley makes me think bad thoughts about the system.

Good Job Microsoft..

[XDelusion]

Hmmm, now if we could buy MOD chips, we could at least back up our discs and compensate for Microsoft's short comings.

[gabe681]

"The vast majority of customers who own Xbox 360 consoles continue to have a terrific experience"


I guess the vast majority of xbox 360 owners have not had there device more than 6 months. I've had 2 go bad on me before they were six months old (both out of warente) and i have not had a terrific experience. One has the xclamp fix and still F'''s up from time to time. Talk about disapointing when your system locks up and you are in the middle of a long ass level or race.

MS we all thought you owned up to the problem with your 3 year warrentee on all systems but it still apears that you are Denying everything. Next thing you know they will be saying it is the users fault somehow.

[KoRnGtL15]

The PS3 has more components than the 360. And it doesnt have HALF the problems the 360 has. Another thing. If the design wasnt flawed. Why offer a 3 year extended warranty. Oh thats right. There asses were about to get sued. There still being sued over faulty drives.

[feflicker]

There is no single root cause or systemic issue with any of the Xbox 360 consoles.

Translation:

There isn't just on thing messed up, there's a bunch of $hit hosed on this thing.

[TGD]

Im not just pointing fingers at MS but why cant people just come clean now days? Its not even just company's..but ALOT of people just opt to beat around the bush rather then just be honest and come clean. SOny's done it, Nintendo's done it, MS has done it and the list goes on..heck..even my own mom has done it lol

This post has been edited by TGD: Aug 6 2007, 09:58 PM

[mylakerye]

Im not just pointing fingers at MS but why cant people just come clean now days? Its not even just company's..but ALOT of people just opt to beat around the bush rather then just be honest and come clean. SOny's done it, Nintendo's done it, MS has done it and the list goes on..heck..even my own mom has done it lol

Coming clean isn't economically realistic anymore.

[DuBob4432]

what i don't get is that there is software out there that can take all of the components into account w/ heat dissipation and the design and all, fan intake and such and one could see pretty much theoretically what kind of issues would be from certain designs. other companies use it - think aerospace, etc and it costs much less than $1B. why ms didn't do this in the beginning is beyond me, but they definitely could and rectify the issues.

i guess they are really waiting and hoping that the 65nm and 45nm cpus and gpus make that much of a difference, and when comparing to computer equipment they will.

then again, $1B is nothing to ms as a whole, so what do they care....