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post Oct 31 2007, 02:07 AM
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The 27 Flaws in Next-Gen Consoles
Posted by XanTium | October 30 20:07 EST | News Category: Xbox360
 
From gamepro.com:
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We're well into the new generation of game consoles, yet a slew of key flaws go unaddressed. Here are 27 things Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony need to fix immediately.

Xbox360:
* The D-pad sucks
* The continued hardware failures
* No Wi-fi on the Elite
* Enough with the double-A batteries
* Overpriced hard drives
* Subscription fees: lose 'em!
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Full Story: gamepro.com




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post Oct 31 2007, 01:47 AM
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Feature: 27 Ways to Save the Consoles
Feature by Sid Shuman and GamePro Staff


was that original topic not interesting enough?
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post Oct 31 2007, 01:47 AM
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More crap coming from Gamepro.com....
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post Oct 31 2007, 01:52 AM
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There is a few other things they forgot:
  • DLC DRM Licensing Issue
  • Messenger Age Issue for people that created their Live accounts before they turned 18
  • Can't change your Live Account email address for messenger
What else is there?

You could probably add customer support to that to.

They usually do a good job of rolling things out though but are really poor and slow on fixing some issues.

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post Oct 31 2007, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE(dvsone @ Oct 30 2007, 08:28 PM) *

There is a few other things they forgot:
  • Messenger Age Issue for people that created their Live accounts before they turned 18

I find this problem very annoying, and IMO probably one of the easiest to fix. I am currently 19, but I created my @msn.com account way back when we had MSN DSL when I was 12, so this problem affects me.
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post Oct 31 2007, 02:11 AM
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those arent flaws to the consoels success though ohmy.gif

and i dont understand the under 18 thing.
i created my hotmail when i was like 12. hmm maybe i was 13 ohmy.gif

either way,
if u wanna get to rants of unfixed problems.. well its a new problem and goes to any company now adays...

STOP OUTSOURCING TECH SUPPORT FUCKING INDIA. THEY CANT SPEAK A WORD OF ENGLISH. EVERYTHING THEY SAY SOUNDS LIKE INDISH

it sucks that you dont find out about it till after the product.
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post Oct 31 2007, 02:18 AM
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Xbox360:

A) * The D-pad sucks
cool.gif * The continued hardware failures
C) * No Wi-fi on the Elite
D) * Enough with the double-A batteries
E) * Overpriced hard drives
F) * Subscription fees: lose 'em!


A) Agree. I'm sure MS will have a good solution for their next console. But at the same time, it's not a huge deal to myself personally because I don't play games that use the d-pad enough for it to matter.

cool.gif MS is solving this and has already made great strides in this area. Not to mention, the increased warranty time MS now gives is more than adequate. I'm very satisfied about the "hardware issues" today but when my first 360 went out, before MS started to fix these issues and increased their warranty, I wasn't too happy.

C) I agree wi-fi would be a good feature, but I don't want it. It's too difficult (if not impossible) to get 100% full up and down speeds over wifi. That's why, even with wi-fi on my Elite, I would NEVER even consider using it for my gaming console. Call me anal, but I want 100% full internet bandwidth speeds to my gaming console over wi-fi, and I've never been able to achieve that (I've got 20 Mbit down, 2 Mbit up and although wi-fi is completely capable of maxing my internet bandwidth, it's never come close no matter what my max has been, what wi-fi equiptment I've tried including routers, receivers, etc.)

D) Not a big deal. Expecting MS, or Sony or Nintendo for that matter, to pack in every practical accessory into their console packages, just isn't being realistic. From a business standpoint, it makes much more sense to leave some accessories out to force buys so you gain more income. Also, by the way, I am completely content using AA's in my 360 controllers 1/2 the time anyway. It's not a big deal.

E) This is something that has always come with the territory in console gaming -- overpriced hardware upgrade/addon accessories. The reason it's much cheaper for PC's is that any hardware company can release a hard drive for the PC. MS has licenses on the 360 with the intent of not letting any company who pleases to make a 360 hard drive. Thus, there's no competition for hard drives on the 360. Thus, no low prices. But anyway, it's a one-time buy if you buy a 360 without one. And it's so useful that it's more than worth the money.

F) Hahaha. NOPE. Wrong! Xbox Live is a fee/subscription based service for a reason -- To provide unmatched quality in terms of online gaming over the Xbox & Xbox 360 platforms. XBL is the single best investment for any and all console gamers. I'd gladly pay well over $100/year for the service if I had to, and I only play online twice a week or so. If XBL went to becoming free, most of what makes the service so damn great would be gone or become insignificant. The online community for Xbox platforms would be pissed and would want to pay again. Overall, this is a dumb idea. XBL is quite simply an amazing value. Saying that you'd like XBL to be free is either being an idiot, an absolute cheapskate, and/or an Xbox/MS hater. GamePro has a reputation for disliking MS and Xbox so go figure -- No surprise.


In all honesty, Nintendo and Sony got 100 times more things to worry about than MS. I could literally write a book on what Sony needs to do, and Nintendo's got two main issues: They need to embrace and standardize current a/v technology (such as HD) as well as focus much more on network multiplayer (online play).

Anyhow, interesting article I suppose...
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post Oct 31 2007, 02:22 AM
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Is it just me, or have we heard the same stuff 200 times before?
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post Oct 31 2007, 03:55 AM
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QUOTE(proger @ Oct 31 2007, 02:58 AM) *

Is it just me, or have we heard the same stuff 200 times before?
We have. The problem is most of the issues are really old that haven't been fixed. And you and I will continue to hear about them until they are fixed.

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post Oct 31 2007, 04:10 AM
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QUOTE(BasicAir @ Oct 30 2007, 08:54 PM) *

Nintendo's got two main issues: They need to embrace and standardize current a/v technology (such as HD) as well as focus much more on network multiplayer (online play).

Anyhow, interesting article I suppose...


unfortunately, this goes against everything that they stand for at this point. i believe nintendo has gone on the record saying that they have no interest in making the wii a online focused system. we are going to be stuck with the oddball game here and there that supports online play. from what i recall, they also had a not so promising remark about a/v output and HD resolutions.
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post Oct 31 2007, 04:27 AM
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I guess a battery pack would of been cool... but I'm ok with AA batteries. I have a bunch of nimh aa's and whenever a classic xbox controller (i've some wicked wireless logitech controllers for it), the wii, or the 360 die I have some charges ones sitting in a jar. Even with a battery pack, if it dies and you want to keep playing, who wants to wait for it to charge... AA rechargables are going to be cheaper then buying mircrosoft branded battery packs to keep as spares.

Allthough the premature release of the 360 did result in alot of dead console, I think that year headstart really helped the 360.. it had a year of games.. a larger install base, which attracted developers.. had they waited we might have a more reliable console, but ps3 might have been in a better position to compete.

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QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Oct 30 2007, 11:03 PM) *

I guess a battery pack would of been cool... but I'm ok with AA batteries. I have a bunch of nimh aa's and whenever a classic xbox controller (i've some wicked wireless logitech controllers for it), the wii, or the 360 die I have some charges ones sitting in a jar. Even with a battery pack, if it dies and you want to keep playing, who wants to wait for it to charge... AA rechargables are going to be cheaper then buying mircrosoft branded battery packs to keep as spares.


i didn't know that anyone was really using AA for the 360 controllers, i mean the rechargeable battery backs are cheap (cheaper than regular AAs or even rechargeables with the charger) and recharge fast, heck you can even use the play and charge and not even have to stop playing if your charge runs out.

QUOTE(leorimolo @ Oct 30 2007, 08:23 PM) *

More crap coming from Gamepro.com....


amen - just more sensationalism for marketing and PR for gamepro...
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post Oct 31 2007, 05:17 AM
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Wi-Fi for gaming? um.. no.

I don't know why ppl keep fussing about this.

It will increase manufacturing costs and be utterly useless for *genuine* online gaming.
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post Oct 31 2007, 05:58 AM
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sure i would like live to be free, but compared to the ps3's service (thus far) i have no problem paying 50$ (it can be had for 31$ online) for their unified easy to use service. i feel very very alone when im playing my ps3. good thing my 360 will be back on thursday!! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Bubbalynch @ Oct 30 2007, 11:53 PM) *

Wi-Fi for gaming? um.. no.

I don't know why ppl keep fussing about this.

It will increase manufacturing costs and be utterly useless for *genuine* online gaming.


I would take CAT-5 cable over a wireless signal anyday.
The only way the wireless adapter has proven usefull to me is when I go to a friends house.

The $50 for xbox live is so miniscule, why does everyone still complain about it?

And I've never been really bothered with the D-Pad. I use it in menus more than the analog stick.
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