HDScape HD to Blu Exchange. Should we be Allowed to Rip HD DVD discs? Options

[Xbox-Scene]

HDScape HD to Blu Exchange. Should we be Allowed to Rip HD DVD discs? Posted by XanTium | February 22 20:38 EST | News Category: Xbox360

From hdscape.com: [QUOTE] Upgrade Your HDScape HD DVD to Blu-ray for $11.95. For a limited time, we will exchange your HDScape HD DVD titles for the same title in the Blu-ray format for only $11.95 plus $.99 flat shipping and handling. We will begin with US customers and based upon our experience, we will determine the best way to handle international customers. Why are we making this offer and how does it work? With the demise of HD, many of you will be transitioning to Blu-ray and we don't believe that it is fair to penalize you for buying the HD version. At the same time, many of you value the HD DVD discs that you own and use the standard definition side of the combo disc in standard DVD players -- a feature that is not supported by Blu-ray at this time. This upgrade program allows you to keep your existing disc -- with a twist. You must return the paper casewrap. You must exchange for the same program that you own. You cannot upgrade to a different title. [/QUOTE] From crunchgear.com: [QUOTE] Now here's something to think about: Now that HD DVD is dead, do you see anything wrong with HD DVD disc owners breaking the DRM on their discs to make backups of the media that they've bought in an effort to future-proof their investments? Think about it: when you buy a disc, whether a DVD or CD, you're really paying for a copy of what's on the disc more than the physical media. So if you've paid for the media, but the playback mechanism is a deprecated format, shouldn't you be allowed to make that media usable to you, even if it means breaking DRM? [/QUOTE] Full Story: hdscape.com | crunchgear.com

[waxinca]

i think we should be able too

[xcalixxryderx]

I know the movie studios would never agree since they would love you to buy separate copys for every format. And atleast here in the US its defanatly illeagle that being said do I think its right or wrong?........ Well my first blu burner should be here mon or tues.

[HotKnife420]

THIS is exactly the type of situation that people who have been arguing against DRM were fighting about. Of course, under 'Fair Use' I believe you are allowed to transfer to different media types and formats, just so long as you're not selling or distributing anything without permission (ie: Do it yourself, for yourself, or don't do it at all).

This post has been edited by HotKnife420: Feb 23 2008, 04:14 AM

[Base8]

Copying stuff for your own purpose should be legal anyways..

[joemm210]

who buys those videos? It would be a waste of money buying a HD disc of a log burning in the first place and they are probably still making money by selling the second disc for 11.95 lol

Has anyone noticed the picture they have for the ps3 is the old one with the banana controller?

[frieko]

Q. Is it legal to rip _________, just to make a personal copy?
A. No

Q. Why not?
A. Because the US Government is a government by and for the corporations.

Q. What about extenuating circumstance _____________ ?
A. Suck it.

[Bandit5317]

As for being able to rip HD-DVDs, absolutely. I rip my dvds for use on my psp, why shouldn't I be able to do the same thing with HD-DVDs.

[AliasCT]

Q. Is it legal to rip _________, just to make a personal copy?
A. No

Ok, so has that legal situation changed? I was under the impression that it *was* legal, under the provisory that you didn't distribute illegal copies. I mean, if it was outright illegal, don't you think they would have clamped down on the US modchip market a long time ago? Also, if making copies were completely illegal, these forums would have been shut down a long time ago for even talking about how to make copies. I was also under the impression that the reason the US gov clamped down on the modchip at all is because it was *too* easy to get illegal copies of games to play on an xbox, and because people who know nothing about the modding scene find it very easy to believe that making illegal copies play is the *sole* reason a modchip exists.

This post has been edited by AliasCT: Feb 23 2008, 04:49 AM

[Havok]

Ok, so has that legal situation changed? I was under the impression that it *was* legal, under the provisory that you didn't distribute illegal copies. I mean, if it was outright illegal, don't you think they would have clamped down on the US modchip market a long time ago? Also, if making copies were completely illegal, these forums would have been shut down a long time ago for even talking about how to make copies. I was also under the impression that the reason the US gov clamped down on the modchip at all is because it was *too* easy to get illegal copies of games to play on an xbox, and because people who know nothing about the modding scene find it very easy to believe that making illegal copies play is the *sole* reason a modchip exists.

Its not illegal to make a copy for your own personal use. It IS illegal to break the DRM according to the DMCA.

[Bandit5317]

At this point I don't mind if I'm breaking these laws or not. I know I don't own the software, whoever made it does (and that goes for all software, including movies), but I do own a license to that software, enabling me to use it. If I want to rip a dvd, which I bought and I therefore bought a license to use it, to my computer for either backing it up or use on other electronic devices, as long as it's for my personal use, then I really don't see the problem. That may be illegal, but of course we aren't writing the laws. You can't really expect a judge to be as well informed as some of us, which narrows it down to a case of who's got the best lawyer. Now I'll be the first to admit that I'm not very well educated on how the U.S. legal system works, but that's just flat out wrong. TwistedSymphony wrote a fantastic article when the modchip raids occured, which, if I remember correctly, had a section which discussed backing up games, a similar situation.

[twistedsymphony]

Ok, so has that legal situation changed? I was under the impression that it *was* legal, under the provisory that you didn't distribute illegal copies. I mean, if it was outright illegal, don't you think they would have clamped down on the US modchip market a long time ago? Also, if making copies were completely illegal, these forums would have been shut down a long time ago for even talking about how to make copies. I was also under the impression that the reason the US gov clamped down on the modchip at all is because it was *too* easy to get illegal copies of games to play on an xbox, and because people who know nothing about the modding scene find it very easy to believe that making illegal copies play is the *sole* reason a modchip exists.

It is legal to make a backup for your own personal use, however it's also illegal for you to break DRM doing it...

They're basically saying you can drive this car but you have to do it without the keys... and we'll arrest you if you hotwire it.

When it gets to court it becomes a battle of "fair use law" vs "drm cracking" which means that whoever has the bigger lawyers wins, which means that consumers always lose.

[eldritch2k4]

As much as I hate to say this:

Could someone show me where it says that we are purchasing an unlimited license when we purchase a DVD, CD, Blu-ray, etc? What we are purchasing is a single copy of the data contained on the disc for use in the prescribed machinery. The copy of the movie you just bought on that 12cm DVD is not legal for viewing on a PSP or any other piece of equipment that doesn't accept 12cm discs. We actually have ZERO right to make copies of the disc, if the owner of the property says no. DRM software is the property owner saying no.

Back in the day of VHS, it was a broken tab. Any movie without the tab couldn't be copied and we accepted that (until someone discovered that a piece of Scotch tape would crack that protection). Why is it that we've decided that, since the digital revolution, we have unlimited rights to everything?

Frankly, the studios aren't responsible for you being negligent. If you don't want to worry about whether or not the disc is going to play, take care of it. Don't sit it data side down outside of the case. Protect your investment and you won't need a backup. Don't keep the DVDs in the reach of your children. When you finish watching a disc, put it in the case. When you handle the disc, grasp the edges. If you take care of your discs, you don't need to worry about DRM. I've got a copy of Braveheart on my DVD shelf that is from 2001 and there isn't a scratch on it. Every player I've ever had has booted it up immediately.

And as much as I'm sure you hate being called out, I would guess that 25% or more of the anti-DRM crowd are pirates. And to those people, I say, "Shut up. If you don't want to help the artists that made the music, movies, TV shows or games, just shut up." You have no free rights to this media and no right to bitch that there are anti-piracy measures.

[gainpresence]

And as much as I'm sure you hate being called out, I would guess that 25% or more of the anti-DRM crowd are pirates. And to those people, I say, "Shut up. If you don't want to help the artists that made the music, movies, TV shows or games, just shut up." You have no free rights to this media and no right to bitch that there are anti-piracy measures.

DRM doesn't affect pirates

[Exobex]

Back in the day of VHS, it was a broken tab. Any movie without the tab couldn't be copied and we accepted that (until someone discovered that a piece of Scotch tape would crack that protection).

The broken tab was for write-protection, not copy-protection. Scotch tape doesn't bypass Macrovision, that's a job for the "video copy enhancer".