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post May 10 2008, 05:43 AM
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Microsoft Appeals 899 Million Euro Fine to EU Court
Posted by XanTium | May 10 00:43 EST | News Category: Xbox360
 
From bloomberg.com:
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Microsoft Corp., the world's largest software maker, asked a court to overturn or reduce a record 899 million-euro ($1.4 billion) European Union fine for failing to comply with an antitrust ruling.

The appeal was filed today at the European Court of First Instance in Luxembourg, Microsoft spokesman Jesse Verstraete said in an e-mailed statement. The company is attempting to seek clarity from the court, he said.

The European Commission, the EU's antitrust authority, fined the company on Feb. 27 for failing to comply with a 2004 antitrust order. Under that decision, in which Microsoft was fined 497 million euros, the EU ordered the software maker to provide data to rivals to allow servers to connect to the Windows platform. Microsoft was required to charge reasonable royalties for the network data technology.
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Full Story: bloomberg.com




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post May 10 2008, 10:44 AM
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This is another example of how the European Union screws all of us. Not only can they not account for Billions in Taxes paid into it by member states they now want to line their pockets with money from Microsoft too which will no doubt disappear into the ether (their pockets)
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post May 10 2008, 08:29 PM
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This is complete bullshit. Microsoft is being bullied by the EU.

It's a rare occasion when I can defend Microsoft against anti-trust allegations, but this is one of them.
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post May 11 2008, 12:51 AM
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So what, they didn't comply and want a discount/forgivness now? It's my understanding that the suit was filed because they were doing what they could to block competition in certain aspects (which is where the royalty comes in, if it's proprietary).

Or am I missing something?
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post May 12 2008, 02:55 AM
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This is bullshit. This is no different than some low life trying to bring a bogus lawsuit against a celebrity just because they have money.

Why should Microsoft be required to allow other software platforms to connect to Windows? It's Microsoft's product and they should be able to do whatever they want with it. Fuck the competition, at least in America, it's surrvival of the fittest baby. They can either get Windows or go another route. Microsoft shouldn't have to cater to their competition. Why would it really be any different if say Sony sued Microsoft because a PS3 controller won't work with an Xbox 360? This is insane.

On a side note, I'm so sick of people preying on Microsoft and talking trash about them. Monopoly this and monopoly that. STFU already. The truth is, at least IMO, that if there weren't an operating system available that covered such a wide user base as Windows has, personal computing wouldn't be nearly as common and widespread as it is today. Maybe eventually it would have reached this point, but it would have taken a lot longer. If there were 50 different operating systems available, the availibility of various software would probably be quite limited for each of them. It would just be too costly and time consuming for developers to create software for so many different OS's.

As far as Linux goes, let's face it. Linux sucks. Linux is FREE and still nobody uses it. That has to tell you something right there folks. Sure, I've had the occaisional problem with Windows but nothing in this world is perfect. In my experience when it comes to technology, most people blame the product when most of the time it operator error and if they'd pull their head out of their ass and use their eye sockets to read a book or two, they might be able to figure it out. Also, I'm tired of people saying that Apple computers or Linux based PC's are more secure than Windows. I don't disagree with that statement but if you examine it a little deeper then you'd see that the reason those platforms are more secure than Windows is because if you are trying to write malicious software then it only seems logical to write it for the platform with the widest user base and of course that's Windows.

Microsoft for life. Billy G, you are my hero. Fuck the haters.

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post May 12 2008, 09:33 AM
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^^^Obviously doesn't understand the whole principle of why the monopolies commission operates.
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post May 12 2008, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(Chancer @ May 12 2008, 10:09 AM) *

^^^Obviously doesn't understand the whole principle of why the monopolies commission operates.



Maybe I missed something too. the linked to article isn't vary descriptive of the original "monopolistic" act. All it says is "allow servers to connect to the Windows platform." What the hell douse that mean? Are they talking about SMA? Active directory? As far as I know the only thing that doesn't work between windows and 'nix are .exe's, and that's because they're compiled to work with the HAL that the 'nix's don't have.

Internet explorer and Windows Media Player are other examples of so called monopolistic acts that also don't make sense. Macs have Safari and Quick Time built in and Linux have Firefox and I don't remember the name of the media player.

Don't get me wrong, I hate microsoft with a passion but I prefer to hate them for something they actually did (vista, online activation) than some bandwagon.
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QUOTE(Shadow Rider @ May 12 2008, 03:31 AM) *

This is bullshit. This is no different than some low life trying to bring a bogus lawsuit against a celebrity just because they have money.


It's VERY different. You're comparing a multi-billion dollar worldwide corporation that's violated a court ruling to an individual seeking compensation for reason X.

QUOTE(Shadow Rider @ May 12 2008, 03:31 AM) *

Why should Microsoft be required to allow other software platforms to connect to Windows? It's Microsoft's product and they should be able to do whatever they want with it. Fuck the competition, at least in America, it's surrvival of the fittest baby. They can either get Windows or go another route. Microsoft shouldn't have to cater to their competition. Why would it really be any different if say Sony sued Microsoft because a PS3 controller won't work with an Xbox 360? This is insane.


Perhaps you missed it, but in the 90's MS had a monopoly suit in the US (with Netscape). What it boils down to is the fact that Windows comes with 99% of PC's (not to be confused with Mac's, as it's a proprietary format and Windows has always been based off the old IBM standard) sold. If you look hard enough (and I do mean look hard), you may find Linux pre-packaged on a PC.

As MS Windows (or Windoze, as it was 'slanged' in the 90's) is more or less forced upon the consumer out of lack of choice (or even lack of awareness of a choice), there must be something to stop them from monopolizing the rest of the market by default. Windows has included (for quite some time) an internet browser, system utilities, disc writing software, and many other things that there is a competitive market for. If there was never a monopoly suit, we'd be pretty much stuck with what MS offers (probably wouldn't be as good as it is now), and possibly blocked from running competitive software. I'm pretty sure there's a hefty sum of users right here @ x-s who use Firefox as their main browser, but if MS had their way, you'd use NOTHING other than IE7 (I recall back in the day having it installed would actually mess up Netscape).

QUOTE(Shadow Rider @ May 12 2008, 03:31 AM) *

On a side note, I'm so sick of people preying on Microsoft and talking trash about them. Monopoly this and monopoly that. STFU already.


I'm pretty sure MS is FAR from being 'preyed' upon, and more than likely don't need you coming to defend their honor on a board dedicated to Xbox and Xbox 360 users.

QUOTE(Shadow Rider @ May 12 2008, 03:31 AM) *

The truth is, at least IMO, that if there weren't an operating system available that covered such a wide user base as Windows has, personal computing wouldn't be nearly as common and widespread as it is today. Maybe eventually it would have reached this point, but it would have taken a lot longer. If there were 50 different operating systems available, the availibility of various software would probably be quite limited for each of them. It would just be too costly and time consuming for developers to create software for so many different OS's.

As far as Linux goes, let's face it. Linux sucks. Linux is FREE and still nobody uses it. That has to tell you something right there folks.


You're right, but to a degree (except about Linux. You're DEAD wrong, there). Windows has helped get many people into computing, and later into computer programming, but that doesn't change what constitutes a monopoly. Many of the people who have done the most significant things in computer programming can operate just fine without Windows. My dad was a union painter with no comp experience whatsoever until 1995, when we bought our first PC. As he learned things, he came to loathe the crashing and inefficiency of Windows (95), and began to look for an alternative. He discovered Unix. Long story short, in only 3 years he went from having 0 computer experience, to a linux system administrator; all self-taught.

For a man in his 40s to not only take well to technology, but to completely learn how to run this 'sucky' OS much more efficiently than any Windows PC (iirc, at the time there were almost no companies, at least in my area, who would trust Windows for their network), clearly Linux is not as inferior as you proclaim.

QUOTE(Shadow Rider @ May 12 2008, 03:31 AM) *

Sure, I've had the occaisional problem with Windows but nothing in this world is perfect. In my experience when it comes to technology, most people blame the product when most of the time it operator error and if they'd pull their head out of their ass and use their eye sockets to read a book or two, they might be able to figure it out.


Funny you mention the majority of users need to pull their heads out of their respective asses and RTFM, when if you had done the same, I wouldn't have had to type the response you may or may not bother to read smile.gif

QUOTE(Shadow Rider @ May 12 2008, 03:31 AM) *

Also, I'm tired of people saying that Apple computers or Linux based PC's are more secure than Windows. I don't disagree with that statement but if you examine it a little deeper then you'd see that the reason those platforms are more secure than Windows is because if you are trying to write malicious software then it only seems logical to write it for the platform with the widest user base and of course that's Windows.


Surely you jest!

People say they're more secure, because they ARE. Are you also tired of people saying the sky is blue? Perhaps it's purple...

As for malicious code, I recall a virus being written for linux just to see if it could be done; you still had to login as root, and fully execute the code for it to do it's job. Apparently, Linux was still doing it's job as well.

QUOTE(Shadow Rider @ May 12 2008, 03:31 AM) *

Microsoft for life. Billy G, you are my hero. Fuck the haters.

Peace.


Billy G? Maybe I'll start calling Linus Torvald Mr. T...
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