OXM New Xbox 360 Report Card Options

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OXM New Xbox 360 Report Card Posted by XanTium | June 20 17:56 EST | News Category: Xbox360

From oxmonline.com: [QUOTE] We're halfway through the year, and probably halfway through the Xbox 360's lifespan. Does our console make the grade? It's time for the midterm examination. * Software (First-Party): A * Software (Third-Party): A+ * Hardware: C+ * Xbox Live: B+ * Xbox Live Marketplace: B+ * Marketing & Advertising: C+ * Overall: B+ [/QUOTE] Full Story: oxmonline.com (4 pages)

[PhyChris]

cool now i want to see the PS3 and Wii Report Card :)

[LockmanSal]

i would have given them a C

[LEON007]

* Hardware: Z-




(for RROD)

This post has been edited by LEON007: Jun 21 2008, 07:42 AM

[Dark Seraph]

You cant get them anything below a C on hardware because its good hardware(when it works thats is).

[iceman72]

Here we go...Here are report cards on my systems as I see it. Again these are personal opinions here. What do you guys think?

XBox 360
* Software (First-Party): A ( no complaints, the M$ first parts games seem to be the absolute best out there)
* Software (Third-Party): A+ (most are just as good if not better than the first party games)
* Hardware: C+ (LOVE HATE relationship on the hardware, Microsoft should be ashamed about this and really should consider replacing every ROD with a NEW Boxed upgraded system and not swaps with refurbs. Bad idea i am on my 5th console and it pisses me off. But when you get as high as me everything is done overnight and in 5 days maxx)
* Xbox Live: A (great menu system, some options still seem to be hard to find even after having my 360 since day one)
* Xbox Live Marketplace: A+ (best out there, I personally love it, excellent content, this is such a huge selling point for me M$ should really put more marketing and advertising out on this. What you get for $50 a year IMPO is amazing. It not only saves me from buying anything I don't like, it is my media center in my home with out having a media center PC. When it's gone we don't know what to do. Works flawless with TVersity, I could go on an on about why it's worth $50 bucks a year. There are so many 360 owners that have not touched the surface of what the 360 can do out of the box once connected to XBlive. I tell people it's a whole new world and makes the console 100% better)
* Marketing & Advertising: C+ (they need to work on this, if they were as good as Nintendo and advertised about what the system can do now they would be the biggest selling system on the market hands down)
* Overall: A

PS3
* Software (First-Party): C (Out of the few that are out there, personally only happy with less than half of those)
* Software (Third-Party): C (not half as good as same software on 360)
* Hardware: A (on/off issues and controllers, poor handling of game data.)
* PS3 online: D (just sucks, kills game play often, not enough users talk which makes it feel fake like single player. makes you wonder if your really playing online or not)
* PS3 Online Store: C+ (horrid menu system, over priced games, over all bad experience)
* Marketing & Advertising: C+ (they started out stong, now they are just average like M$)
* Overall: C

Wii
* Software (First-Party): B (I only like half of those very few titles)
* Software (Third-Party): F (Nintendo is back to letting anyone drop a title for the sake of having a large library. Way too much junk ware)
* Hardware: A (no complaints at all)
* Wii Online: F (What little they have sucks. poor pairing with friends, friend codes suck,again with no voice at all it really makes you feel like it's fake and not really online play at all)
*Wii Marketplace: F (worse market place of them all, way way over priced, poor quality, forces you to spend even more money for extra controllers for sub par games, nintendo really should be ashamed of themselves on this one)
* Marketing & Advertising: A+
* Overall: D

[Chancer]

What do you guys think?

You are over infatuated with your Xbox 360 and can't see past the bullshit and shine.
Why?
You are on your 5th console yet you still give a C+ for hardware. the rating should be off the scale.

The topic is 360 report card so the others I have not bothered with, not sure why you added them.

You cant get them anything below a C on hardware because its good hardware(when it works thats is).

Point is it doesn't work reliably at all, has too high a failure rate and has had to have multiple re-designs which still fail to make it reliable. How does that make it good hardware at all?

This post has been edited by Chancer: Jun 21 2008, 03:30 PM

[Lezlyte]

The topic is 360 report card so the others I have not bothered with, not sure why you added them.
Point is it doesn't work reliably at all, has too high a failure rate and has had to have multiple re-designs which still fail to make it reliable. How does that make it good hardware at all?

I think his point is that it runs really well and smooth providing you don't have a RROD box. I guess it honestly is all in experiences, I love the hardware probably because I'm a HD freak and have never had the RROD. I've had a few friends it's happened to, but nothing a X-clamp replacement or a return to ebay (Use a good store...) hasn't fixed.

Reliablity is only one aspect of the hardware. Granted, it's a vital part, but it's one aspect of the hardware (cooling).

[iceman72]

You are over infatuated with your Xbox 360 and can't see past the bullshit and shine.
Why?
You are on your 5th console yet you still give a C+ for hardware. the rating should be off the scale.

The topic is 360 report card so the others I have not bothered with, not sure why you added them.
Point is it doesn't work reliably at all, has too high a failure rate and has had to have multiple re-designs which still fail to make it reliable. How does that make it good hardware at all?

Wow are you serious. Why can't I see past the "BS and Shine"? I see the 360 for what it is. Just because a piece of hardware does have issues doesn't mean the hardware as a whole is a flop. Hell if that were the way things get judged many many car manufacturers would be out of business. I owned a BMW X5 that had a known issue with the window regulators. On my personal X5 I had 4 windows stop on different days and not go up. Now does that make the truck as a whole crap? i have had owned 360's since the very first one. To have 5 replacements that kept me from playing games for maybe 2 months out of my life total I don't think is all bad. I look at it like this chief. If I put the total hours of use on my PS3 and Wii I am sure I would have some kinda issues. But why don't I? Because they can't do the same things my 360 can do. I think you are the one that can't see past the shine. What do you like shiny PS3 better or maybe the Wii thats full of crapware?

As far as the other report cards go that I personally added, the reason I did because someone said "it would be cool to see report cards of them all." I thought it would be cool to see how people really graded each system with the same categories. This is a forum right?

You mention multiple re-designs... Well cheif I am not sure how much of a gamer or how many game systems you have owned yourself. But lets just narrow this down to the original playstation. Hell Sony put out about 5 - 8 different versions of that console during the whole life of it. Most people had no clue about that. But I repaired consoles back in those days and I knew. Not to mention Sony put out at least 4 - 5 PS2's. Thats not including the redesigned slim PS2 which has gone through many internal changes as well. maybe you should do some research before you blab your mouth off?

[Chancer]

Wow are you serious. Why can't I see past the "BS and Shine"? I see the 360 for what it is. Just because a piece of hardware does have issues doesn't mean the hardware as a whole is a flop. Hell if that were the way things get judged many many car manufacturers would be out of business. I owned a BMW X5 that had a known issue with the window regulators. On my personal X5 I had 4 windows stop on different days and not go up. Now does that make the truck as a whole crap? i have had owned 360's since the very first one. To have 5 replacements that kept me from playing games for maybe 2 months out of my life total I don't think is all bad. I look at it like this chief. If I put the total hours of use on my PS3 and Wii I am sure I would have some kinda issues. But why don't I? Because they can't do the same things my 360 can do. I think you are the one that can't see past the shine. What do you like shiny PS3 better or maybe the Wii thats full of crapware?

As far as the other report cards go that I personally added, the reason I did because someone said "it would be cool to see report cards of them all." I thought it would be cool to see how people really graded each system with the same categories. This is a forum right?

You mention multiple re-designs... Well cheif I am not sure how much of a gamer or how many game systems you have owned yourself. But lets just narrow this down to the original playstation. Hell Sony put out about 5 - 8 different versions of that console during the whole life of it. Most people had no clue about that. But I repaired consoles back in those days and I knew. Not to mention Sony put out at least 4 - 5 PS2's. Thats not including the redesigned slim PS2 which has gone through many internal changes as well. maybe you should do some research before you blab your mouth off?

Tell you what "Chief" how about you stick to counter debating the point I raised instead of going off on some wild tangent about Sony products.
Like I said you are blinded by your love of the 360 (made even clearer by your attempt to somehow relate this to Sony)Most people would quit on their 5th console. Not much point if MS have it more then you.
No matter how good hardware does it's job, if it is not doing it's job reliably and most of the time then how does it get anything less than an F for fail.
Oh and for the record "Chief" I have 2 360s neither have ever failed but I am not so blind as to not see the problems experienced by the masses.
So yes I am serious
And as for doing research... LOOK at my post I never mentioned PS2 so perhaps you learn to read what I put.

This post has been edited by Chancer: Jun 21 2008, 09:34 PM

[iceman72]

Tell you what "Chief" how about you stick to counter debating the point I raised instead of going off on some wild tangent about Sony products.
Like I said you are blinded by your love of the 360 (made even clearer by your attempt to somehow relate this to Sony)Most people would quit on their 5th console. Not much point if MS have it more then you.
No matter how good hardware does it's job, if it is not doing it's job reliably and most of the time then how does it get anything less than an F for fail.
Oh and for the record "Chief" I have 2 360s neither have ever failed but I am not so blind as to not see the problems experienced by the masses.
So yes I am serious
And as for doing research... LOOK at my post I never mentioned PS2 so perhaps you learn to read what I put.

Exactly Chief, you just made my point. You have not had any problems with your two 360's. So just because one person has problems doesn't mean everyone will. So because I have had my issues does that mean I should give the over all console an F for reliability? No. Then you say most people would quit? Well I am not most and why would I quit? It hasn't costs me a dime? So does it really matter? It would be a whole different story if I had to personally out of pocket repair or buy another console. But it hasn't. So honestly I don't care. I feel that giving it a C+ over all for hardware is very fair. The hardware grade is not just based on fail ratios. Hell if that were the case so many cars get recalled in a year that no one would buy them. Half the recalls people have no idea about. So does that make a certain car not good? Same thing happens in the Cell phone world. Do you know how many Nextel phones get swapped out daily and the issues are hardware issues? Now does that make the phones in general crap? I know some people that have swapped various phones more than 5 times in a year. But you know what? They still enjoy their phones because they don't drop any cash for the replacements. They also buy damn near every one that comes out. So your reasoning for giving the hardware an F is very poor. Your argument in general deserves an F.

[vintage_guitar]

My beef is with the failure rate getting a C+. I had my launch system work properly until last week. (RROD) I don't care if Microsoft replaces it for free. The problem is that by now, they still haven't fixed the problem. More than likely I'll be sent one that will have the same problem.

This post has been edited by vintage_guitar: Jun 22 2008, 04:49 AM

[XxXDarkwraitHXxX]

Tell you what "Chief" how about you stick to counter debating the point I raised instead of going off on some wild tangent about Sony products.
Like I said you are blinded by your love of the 360 (made even clearer by your attempt to somehow relate this to Sony)Most people would quit on their 5th console. Not much point if MS have it more then you.
No matter how good hardware does it's job, if it is not doing it's job reliably and most of the time then how does it get anything less than an F for fail.
Oh and for the record "Chief" I have 2 360s neither have ever failed but I am not so blind as to not see the problems experienced by the masses.
So yes I am serious
And as for doing research... LOOK at my post I never mentioned PS2 so perhaps you learn to read what I put.

Well, IMO, when I look at the report card and see "hardware", I don't think of the reliability, I think of the performance and what not. If anything, there should be another category called "reliability", where I would give the 360 a D+ at most and the hardware category would get an A or an A+. That's just me, though. The way the iceman and OXM did the card is that they are merging reliability and hardware together which, IMO would bring the 360 to around a C. But, again, that's just me.

[Chancer]

Exactly Chief, you just made my point. You have not had any problems with your two 360's. So just because one person has problems doesn't mean everyone will. So because I have had my issues does that mean I should give the over all console an F for reliability? No. Then you say most people would quit? Well I am not most and why would I quit? It hasn't costs me a dime? So does it really matter? It would be a whole different story if I had to personally out of pocket repair or buy another console. But it hasn't. So honestly I don't care. I feel that giving it a C+ over all for hardware is very fair. The hardware grade is not just based on fail ratios. Hell if that were the case so many cars get recalled in a year that no one would buy them. Half the recalls people have no idea about. So does that make a certain car not good? Same thing happens in the Cell phone world. Do you know how many Nextel phones get swapped out daily and the issues are hardware issues? Now does that make the phones in general crap? I know some people that have swapped various phones more than 5 times in a year. But you know what? They still enjoy their phones because they don't drop any cash for the replacements. They also buy damn near every one that comes out. So your reasoning for giving the hardware an F is very poor. Your argument in general deserves an F.

Any hardware no matter what it's capability needs reliability in order to gain benefit from it's features.
Had the hardware had the odd problem but nothing major then fair enough it happens and the hardware would deserve an A in that case. But the failure rate is much much more even by your own example and don't try play the old "doesn't mean everyone will have had problems" card. If you research you will see how obscenely high the failure rate is and yes it is a pity but for that reason alone the hardware is badly designed, unreliable and many people admit to worrying if they will get through a five hour session without the console packing in. I could look from a selfish point of view and say "I'm OK jack so the hardware is great but that wouldn't be true reflection. Don't forget many people only got 90 days warranty in the US and the 3 years for the RROD was not about when their console failed out of warranty.
Oh and yes I would call a mobile phone that has to be swapped 5 times a year crap hardware. If your basis for counter argument is based on hardware that has fantastic features on the odd times it works long term then it is you that deserves an F for your argument.

OFF TOPIC
The spineless arsehole that made the duplicate account as chancer. (you can't see the post) but dare not use his genuine user name should Pm me that crap under your correct name or IP. Shame you haven't the bottle.

This post has been edited by Chancer: Jun 22 2008, 05:41 PM

[kowrip]

OK, I have a few problems with this so-called report card. First of all, the "C+" for hardware is a joke. It should get an "F" or a "D" at the absolute best. Secondly, they split software and XBL into 2 categories each, which gave them double scores in the strongest categories. This artificially offsets their 2 weakest categories. By that same logic, hardware should have been broken down into more categories. I would say overall should be a C. The hardware is a total failure while their game library is their strength.