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> Tutorial: Wilhelm's Improved X-clamp Replacement, How to apply even pressure on the chip.
Wilhelm_I
post Aug 7 2008, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE(bosnia_9 @ Aug 7 2008, 03:15 AM) *

2mm

Must be a little bit more, rather like 2.5mm, and it also depends which part of the GPU you mean, this if or the chip dies...
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post Aug 7 2008, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 7 2008, 03:53 AM) *


Quoting didnt work somehow so I just copied it...

1) Well try to use the thin tape I used the next time, I havent tested the thermal compound method, it was this jasonel dude who told me it worked for him...
Also make sure it got the same height as the die, just hold the card beside it it should be exactly as high as the die.
I dont know what a caliper is and I dont think I have got one I would know otherwise so I could only measure it by comparing it with a metal washer.
I bet on the thermal compound though...

2) Well this confirms pretty much what I thought.
What I found out about this one so far is that it can be caused by a lifted up CPU, so a cold or bridged solder joint.
And it can also be power related, probably when the CPU isnt getting clean power because a cap is missing or bridged like you showed here.
The fact that 0102 is a cold solder joint under the GPU give me more reason to believe that 0002 is a cold and not a bridged solder joint though

The very last thing that makes me sure that it is rather a cold than a bridged is though what I experienced with the tampered 360 I got from Ebay.
This 360 used to have 0102 I fixed it by heatgunning.
Afterwards I figured out the RAMs were flat and the error code changed to 0020(some retard obviously tried to fix it with a heatgun sleep.gif )...
However I used this one for tests instead of selling it on Ebay for parts.
What I did was cutting the temperature traces of the CPU because some guy was having weird overheating problems.
After that the system didnt show the 2 red lights for CPU overheating anymore.
Like you might guess the thing became literally burning hot.
I noticed though that the thing did a click after approximately 30 seconds which I found weird.
After having some fun cooking my CPU a few more time and hearing this click noise I decided to check the error code after this clicking noise.
Right after this click the error code always changed from 0020 to 0002.
Because of the high temperature some of the solder joints probably lost contact and became cold.
After turning it off and back on the error code was 0020 again...

As I said before already I also got someone to reball his CPU to fix this error and I hope he will be able to solve this little quest definitely...

It is like 99% sure that this error is a CPU related cold solder joint or if what M2X said is true it can also be a problem with the way the CPU is powered.
Since the CPU usually throws the error code(if I remember right, correct me if I am wrong) it might just be an error code that is caused when the CPU doesnt know whats wrong like with 0001 it is not powered then, so might be the same with 0002...

3) Have you got MSN maybe?
If so add me communication is much easier then...
As recommended before already try the tape method...
The fact that it overheated might also be somehow related to the cold solder joint under the CPU probably it shortened the temp sensor or so...


1) I'm sure my problem with zero contact is coming from the card pieces.
I even tested that without any tape or thermal paste but still I had some problems.
Damn! I don't know why everything here is different from the rest of the world. I mean these phone cards have different thickness compared to each other too!!! WTF?

2)If reballing did fix the issue then please inform us.
But I'm sure my problem was coming from the solder points in the picture (as the horrible smell in there already confirmed that.

3)MSN?? Well I used to have but it has been deactivated for some time now (like 2 years).
Buy I use Yahoo and GTalk instead if you have one.
Since my problem is coming from the card pieces themselves what else to you recommend?
How about using rubber pieces like said in the other tutorial that Tortuga2112 said?

BTW a caliper is a tool for measuring length, radius, height, etc.
It can measure values as small as 0.02mm (depending on the model)
Now it's really handy for fixing an xbox (measuring the size of the washers and its thickness etc)
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post Aug 7 2008, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(M2X @ Aug 7 2008, 09:18 AM) *

1) I'm sure my problem with zero contact is coming from the card pieces.
I even tested that without any tape or thermal paste but still I had some problems.
Damn! I don't know why everything here is different from the rest of the world. I mean these phone cards have different thickness compared to each other too!!! WTF?

2)If reballing did fix the issue then please inform us.
But I'm sure my problem was coming from the solder points in the picture (as the horrible smell in there already confirmed that.

3)MSN?? Well I used to have but it has been deactivated for some time now (like 2 years).
Buy I use Yahoo and GTalk instead if you have one.
Since my problem is coming from the card pieces themselves what else to you recommend?
How about using rubber pieces like said in the other tutorial that Tortuga2112 said?

BTW a caliper is a tool for measuring length, radius, height, etc.
It can measure values as small as 0.02mm (depending on the model)
Now it's really handy for fixing an xbox (measuring the size of the washers and its thickness etc)

The rubber pieces are still better than nothing but solid card pieces are better because they dont shrink like foam and have the same consistence as the chip die...

If this helps you, my VISA card has got the same height as the EC card I have been using so maybe you can get one of these rather than a phone card...

Here are some pictures to compare the height again I dont have a caliper and I guess most people wont either so this probably helps more...

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post Aug 7 2008, 01:52 PM
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Greetings,

I've got the 3RLOD for quite a time, but was able to play around 75% of the times. But last night, all the colors faded out and No video... So I think It's time for me to do the X-Clamp thing. But I saw you on another topic saying that your technique might be more efficent on a long term basis. I'll would like to see it but your website seems to be out of order :S How is the success rate of your fix?
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post Aug 7 2008, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(NeoSNIPER @ Aug 7 2008, 03:28 PM) *

Greetings,

I've got the 3RLOD for quite a time, but was able to play around 75% of the times. But last night, all the colors faded out and No video... So I think It's time for me to do the X-Clamp thing. But I saw you on another topic saying that your technique might be more efficent on a long term basis. I'll would like to see it but your website seems to be out of order :S How is the success rate of your fix?

Success rate *100% so far and none of them came back yet(lifetime warranty)...
I only couldnt fix a 360 that someone tampered with before I made it to fix 0102 on it and then I figured out the previous owner heatgunned it and the bottom RAM was flat.
Getting the RAM reballed costs more than a new mainboard so it wasnt worth it...

I am sorry about the downtime of the website I am actually working on the login system and the error code editing/adding and apparently there was an error that I didnt notice while coding...

There is a hgiher chance that mine also fixes your scaler chip related problem if its source is one of the outher solderballs under the GPU.
Otherwise heatgun the area from the GPU to the scaler chip like shown in my heatgunning tutorial.(link in signature)

It is back up and working now!

Wilhelm
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post Aug 8 2008, 07:03 AM
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Is this fix suitable for my 0020 error 360? I have done those old xclamp fixes for the gpu probably 3 times, each lasting only a week to a month each.

thanks
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God damn! ERROR 0022 to ERROR 0011 to ERROR 0002, I just want to PLAY! XD

I heatgunned GPU and ANA for 0022, then gets 0011, I Say, ok... maybe the CPU needs hot, according o the FAQS Errors, 0011 could be CPU... so I heat it... then 0002... PSU/Network... I haven touch that port.. so I think I just fuck up some cap near the CPU area, I mean, the tinys cap no on the top but the bottom.

What can I do.. I just saying what I think based on what I read

Regards and great tutorial

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I dont want to spend nore money, 50 buks for that heat gun... God what I was thinkin'

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QUOTE(nwa @ Aug 8 2008, 08:39 AM) *

Is this fix suitable for my 0020 error 360? I have done those old xclamp fixes for the gpu probably 3 times, each lasting only a week to a month each.

thanks

I fixed a couple of these with it, just give it a go.
If this one doesnt work either the bridged solder joint will be under the RAM and you will have to reflow it with a heatgun....

QUOTE(Viral Doom @ Aug 8 2008, 08:47 AM) *

God damn! ERROR 0022 to ERROR 0011 to ERROR 0002, I just want to PLAY! XD

I heatgunned GPU and ANA for 0022, then gets 0011, I Say, ok... maybe the CPU needs hot, according o the FAQS Errors, 0011 could be CPU... so I heat it... then 0002... PSU/Network... I haven touch that port.. so I think I just fuck up some cap near the CPU area, I mean, the tinys cap no on the top but the bottom.

What can I do.. I just saying what I think based on what I read

Regards and great tutorial

P.D.

I dont want to spend nore money, 50 buks for that heat gun... God what I was thinkin'

Well you fixed 0022 because it overrrides 0002 usually.
0002 is CPU related and either a cold solder joint under CPU or a problem with the way it is powered.
So it could indeed be this capacitor right below, could you take a picture of it?

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QUOTE(Viral Doom @ Aug 8 2008, 10:17 AM) *

God damn! ERROR 0022 to ERROR 0011 to ERROR 0002, I just want to PLAY! XD

I heatgunned GPU and ANA for 0022, then gets 0011, I Say, ok... maybe the CPU needs hot, according o the FAQS Errors, 0011 could be CPU... so I heat it... then 0002... PSU/Network... I haven touch that port.. so I think I just fuck up some cap near the CPU area, I mean, the tinys cap no on the top but the bottom.

What can I do.. I just saying what I think based on what I read

Regards and great tutorial

P.D.

I dont want to spend nore money, 50 buks for that heat gun... God what I was thinkin'


Also consider my post regarding the 0002 error in the previous page. Try what I did also and post the results please.
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QUOTE(M2X @ Aug 8 2008, 04:07 AM) *

Also consider my post regarding the 0002 error in the previous page. Try what I did also and post the results please.


Sorry fella, I did it with no hopes.. and didnt works.. sorry, Even I didnt touch those points, my modo is intact in this area

QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Posted Today, 02:52 AM)

Well you fixed 0022 because it overrrides 0002 usually.
0002 is CPU related and either a cold solder joint under CPU or a problem with the way it is powered.
So it could indeed be this capacitor right below, could you take a picture of it?


Ok, let me take a picture, but I gonna try to heat again the CPU, or what do u say? heheheh

BTW... my MSN is viral_doom@hotmail.com, if u want yo help me.. please want! xD

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CPU reheatgunned.... 0002, I gonna take pictures of the whole mobo.

BTW.... I have notice that my mobo is a little ummm crooked xD
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QUOTE(Viral Doom @ Aug 8 2008, 04:44 PM) *

CPU reheatgunned.... 0002, I gonna take pictures of the whole mobo.

BTW.... I have notice that my mobo is a little ummm crooked xD

Ye take pictures and concentrate on the CPU area especially...

If you need some help add my MSN...
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If you decide to put the washers on the RAM to fix 0110 or just to cool them better, make sure they are exactly 1mm thick.
The same accounts for all other washers that you use, they must have a height/thickness of exactly 1mm...

If the washer on the RAM is too thick you risk that the heatsink is lopsided and if you actually screw it down the RAM brick will crack

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I got my credit card pieces all taped down and I'm ready for some thermal pasting. As I was about to head out to get some Arctic Silver 5 my bro gave me some Antec 77064 Thermal Grease. Will that stuff work or should I get the AS5?
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Ignore my previous post. I went out and got AS5. I'm still getting a red ring and then an overheat like 3 seconds later(0012 GPU over heating). Grrrrrrrrrrr. Tried various screw tightness(I'm using spring + nylon + metal washers). Any suggestions? Check the paste?

Does this look right? The matte finish on the tape makes it look thicker than it really is but it is really incredibly thin scotch tape.
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