Rare dev: 'I don't think 360 has reached its limit' Options

[Xbox-Scene]

Rare dev: 'I don't think 360 has reached its limit' Posted by XanTium | August 5 12:17 EST | News Category: Xbox360

From videogamer.com: [QUOTE] Speaking to VideoGamer.com at the Develop conference in Brighton last week, Nick Burton, a senior software engineer at Rare, has assured Xbox 360 gamers that there's plenty more to come from the console. "You never can push them as far as they can go. The reality of the peak performance of the console is yes, you could look to a generation beyond where we are now and think, yeah, I could use that power. But the reality is in 360 and the PS3 and the latest generation PC graphics, the amount of power in the GPUs is such that you're more bound by your creativity and the aesthetic you're going for than you're really bound by polygon pushing power," said Burton. "You're probably actually more bound maybe by art authoring and the amount of data throughput that, just the amount of memory you'd need, but I don't think 360 has reached its limit." [/QUOTE] Full Story: videogamer.com

[ekruob]

"You're probably actually more bound maybe by... the amount of data throughput that, just the amount of memory you'd need, but I don't think 360 has reached its limit."

Exactly - data throughput and memory configuration - the very two areas where the 360 destroys the PS3 in terms of performance!

Sure the CPU and GPU are also superior - but the main advantage game developers see are those points above =)

Well done Microsoft.

This post has been edited by ekruob: Aug 5 2008, 06:15 PM

[wassco]

Yes because cpu/gpu are EVERYTHING....wrong!

Explain why Nintendo is cleaning both there clocks? less power, less everything. Its not the POWER of the machine, its the direction they take the machine! 360/ps3 didnt change a thing other the power, nintendo did the opposite, and change the direction they went....and look who's leading...

[miggidy]

This pretty much explains why PDZ tanked....

[frieko]

I wish they would quit being lazy and start using procedural synthesis, instead of bitching about how their grand scheme won't fit into 3 Blu-rays. Look at .kkrieger

[bucko]

Exactly - data throughput and memory configuration - the very two areas where the 360 destroys the PS3 in terms of performance!

Sure the CPU and GPU are also superior - but the main advantage game developers see are those points above =)

Well done Microsoft.

Devs on the PS3 can use both the types of ram available on the PS3 if coded correctly, and I would say the Cell has more processing availability because of the SPU's once they are harnessed. I don't know the facts and such but I can sure see a new Xbox coming out before the PS4, simply because I think PS3 devs are miles of from what the PS3 can do. Maybe m_heal could shed some light on that.

And lol if they max out the 360 please don't it will be another wave of ROD

[MrFish]

But then Rare, being a wholly-owned subsidiary of Microsoft, would say that, wouldn't they?

[Avenger 2.0]

Exactly - data throughput and memory configuration - the very two areas where the 360 destroys the PS3 in terms of performance!

Sure the CPU and GPU are also superior - but the main advantage game developers see are those points above =)

Well done Microsoft.

The only thing superior on the PS3 is it's cooling

This post has been edited by Avenger 2.0: Aug 5 2008, 07:46 PM

[wassco]

Devs on the PS3 can use both the types of ram available on the PS3 if coded correctly, and I would say the Cell has more processing availability because of the SPU's once they are harnessed. I don't know the facts and such but I can sure see a new Xbox coming out before the PS4, simply because I think PS3 devs are miles of from what the PS3 can do. Maybe m_heal could shed some light on that.

And lol if they max out the 360 please don't it will be another wave of ROD

exactly!!

ps3 power hasnt even been touched i feel, if the 360 can keep up to a ps3 counterpart game, obviously the ps3 version wasnt pushed to the limit, just to make both games equal quality.

[stradric]

Explain why Nintendo is cleaning both there clocks? less power, less everything. Its not the POWER of the machine, its the direction they take the machine! 360/ps3 didnt change a thing other the power, nintendo did the opposite, and change the direction they went....and look who's leading...

That's clearly a marketing-based, gimmicky success on Nintendo's part. The trend is typically that people buy a wii and let it sit on their shelf and only play it when they have a lot of people over. The 360 and PS3s are far better gaming system for people that actually care about games. Name 5 good games for the Wii. You'd have no problem naming 5 or even 10 amazing games on the 360 or PS3. (Halo 3, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Ninja Gaiden 2, Soul Calibur 4, Call of Duty 4, Mass Effect... etc). The Wii's got shit on the 360 or PS3 and you know it.

Now don't get me wrong. The Wii is a revolutionary system that you can certainly have fun with. It just doesn't compare when it comes to your traditional gamer.

[AcidPenguiN]

I know this is a little on topic, but why does it always come up that "when the next xbox comes out there won't be a need for a ps4 yet"

sure there might not be a need for it, but you damn well better believe that if Microsoft brings out a shiny new console Sony will be forced to produce an equally astounding shiny new box or face entirely losing a console generation.

From this perspective "future proofing" is merely a short term marketing ploy. If it causes some people to look at the 360 and the PS3 and say "oh, PS3 will last longer/be supported longer I'll buy that instead" then regardless of whether or not the console is actually supported longer, the short term gain has been had, and that's more customers buying PS3 games.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm no xbot. . . If Microsoft were in the same place I guarantee they'd do the same thing, that's just how big businesses roll.

[stradric]

ps3 power hasnt even been touched i feel, if the 360 can keep up to a ps3 counterpart game, obviously the ps3 version wasnt pushed to the limit, just to make both games equal quality.

I mostly agree with that. I don't think the PS3 has been utilized to its potential either. However, I think you underestimate the power and efficiency of the 360. It's certainly no slouch. It has a few key benefits over the PS3 and is easier to develop games for. Plus, Microsoft has the upper hand when it comes to enticing developers to create exclusive games. The BluRay is the #1 benefit the PS3 has over the 360 and that's certainly becoming more and more apparent.

[BoNg420]

Yes because cpu/gpu are EVERYTHING....wrong!

Explain why Nintendo is cleaning both there clocks? less power, less everything. Its not the POWER of the machine, its the direction they take the machine! 360/ps3 didnt change a thing other the power, nintendo did the opposite, and change the direction they went....and look who's leading...

The Wii isn't that great. There is hardly a selection of games, wait I mean a selection of actual good games. Maybe 4-5 good games tops. Wii seems to be like a fad. People want it because its hard to find, but really Nintendo has to be making this demand. If they cant meet consumer demands in the almost 2 years its been out, then they have to only be putting out so many systems to make it look like its still hard to get or they keep messing with the Wii to try to make it unhackable. MS and Sony were able to meet consumer demands within about 6-8 months after release. Two years later and the Wii is still almost nowhere to be found, it doesnt seem right. Unless they are just selling all their hardware in Japan and overseas and dont have enough for USA, that could be another possibility.

To compare.

Wii is like that drunk chick you pick up at the bar. You're excited to get it home, play with it once or twice, then you don't want to use it anymore.

This post has been edited by BoNg420: Aug 5 2008, 08:22 PM

[MrFish]

That's clearly a marketing-based, gimmicky success on Nintendo's part. The trend is typically that people buy a wii and let it sit on their shelf and only play it when they have a lot of people over. The 360 and PS3s are far better gaming system for people that actually care about games. The Wii is a revolutionary system that you can certainly have fun with. It just doesn't compare when it comes to your traditional gamer.

That said, the DS embarrasses all three of the next-gen consoles. It looks good, and for the first time in Nintendo's history it feels closer to a mobile phone for adults than a gameboy for children. It has the widest variety of games of any current platform (even edging out the PS2), and it has the most games that make you go *wow*. I'd go so far as to say that if you care about hardware, get a 360 or PS3, but if you care about games, get a DS.

The DS has everything:
hardcore retro eye-of-the-beholder dungeon crawl (Etrian Odyssey),
nethack (Izuna, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon),
rhythm games (Guitar Hero, Ouendan),
platformers (Sonic Rush, Mario 64, Yoshi's Island),
Tony Hawk (American Skateland is a truly faithful port, except that they made the game not suck)
Harvest-moon and descendents (Lost in Blue),
Turn-based wargames (Advance Wars, Panzer Tactics, (and if it ever gets an English release, the daddy: Dai Senryaku)),
Stylus games (Trauma Center, Cooking mama),
RPGs (Final Fantasy, Magical Starsign)
Puzzle games (Puzzle quest, Planet Puzzle League, PuchiPuchiVirus, Mr Driller)
FPS (Metroid)
God games (Sim City, A.1701)
Virtual pets (Nintendogs, and all its god-awful clones)
Edutainment (Brain Training, and all its god-awful clones)
Multiplayer arcade (Mario kart, Bomberman)
2d fighter (Jump Stars, Guilty Gear DS)
Adventure (Touch Detective, Phoenix Wright)

Every one of the big consoles specialises around a few genres; for example, the 360 has no good turn-based strategy games or dungeon crawlers. But the DS has a bit of everything; there is no genre you can think of where the DS doesn't have at least one good game. If you had to pick just one console, get a DS.

Worldwide, the DS has outsold all three of the TV-consoles put together (if you consider the big four in America only, it's merely got the top spot at 44 percent market share. (Wii and 350 each have ~17 percent)). That Nintendo makes a profit on both the hardware and the software is just the icing on the cake as far as they're concerned.

[ekruob]

Yes because cpu/gpu are EVERYTHING....wrong!

Explain why Nintendo is cleaning both there clocks? less power, less everything. Its not the POWER of the machine, its the direction they take the machine! 360/ps3 didnt change a thing other the power, nintendo did the opposite, and change the direction they went....and look who's leading...

The main reason that Nintendo is leading is homebrew - it is the only console that is fully hacked to allow home-made apps to be run.

If Microsoft had released XNA three years ago instead of only getting serious about it now - then they would be ahead of Nintendo. Why? Because there would have been an insane launch line-up created by none other than us!

I also find that some other people on this forum (not you) forget - that without Microsoft's Xbox, there would be no forum at all.

This post has been edited by ekruob: Aug 5 2008, 09:23 PM