Ok guys, I know noone will prolly even listen for a second to me since this is my first post. I read this entire post, and the only problem I actually see, is the way the pc reads the disc. All this inside out backwards upwards shit is rumours, correct? So is there no way to raw copy a dvd disc? There certainly is on cd burners, and it circumvents any known copy protection. Is this lacking because we have yet to come out with dual layer media, or is there just no program to do this? If the dvd is copied in a raw format, it should not matter two shits which way the pc wants to read the disc, and if the xbox is cracked it should definitely not matter whatsoever. Just my 2 cents