if i had this what would i look forward to?

AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-51 Processor

QUOTE (frozen lake @ Nov 10 2003, 01:21 PM)

if i had this what would i look forward to? AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-51 Processor

a long wait for a 64 bit os?

windows xp 64 bit is supposed to be in the making. I think they already have a tes version and the full version is due out by the end of this year or early next.

I'm thinking of getting the amd 64 3200+ in the laptop I am getting for christmas.

there isnt really any need for a 64 bit processor right now now because there isnt anything that could take advatage of the extra power. 64 bit processors will eventually be standard, but until then getting one now will only prepare you for hats coming.

Dont use windows then! use unix or linux!

however, with windows you can look forward to awesome new 64 bit games such as UT2004 and stuff. i dunno bout the US but the processor has been out here for nearly a month.

WORD FOR THE WISER: DONT but the 940 pin FX-51 as it requires v expensive licensed RAM from AMD... go for the 939 athlon 64 (NOT 740) as you can use your fav brand of ram from them at no sacrifice to performance, its otherwise identical to the FX-51

HOWEVER the AMD 64 Bit processors offer a modest increase in performance in 32- bit mode too! al though i wouldnt call 17% increase over the worlds current leading processor

oh by the way these are the specs for the test systems

AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-51 processor based system
Hardware: Motherboard: Asus Sk8N BIOS Info: 1002.01**, Chipset: Nvidia Nforce3 Memory: Legacy Registered PC3200, 2.5 CAS Quantity & Size: Qty (2) 512MB (each) DIMM Module, Total Memory Size: 1GB Hard Drive: Qty(2) Model Name: Western Digital Raptor Model Number: WD360 Hard Drive Size: 36.0 GB Transfer Mode: SATA Raid 0 10K RPM Other Info: NTFS was used to format the hard disks, 2 disks setup in a Raid0 configuration Network Card: Integrated on motherboard Model Number: Nvidia Nforce MCP Networking Controller Sound Card: Nvidia (Integrated on motherboard) Video Card: Graphics Adapter: Nvidia FX 5900 Ultra Memory Size and Type: 256MB DDR; Drivers: AGP Miniport Publisher Name: Nvidia nForce3 AGP Version: 3.5.3.0, 7/15/2003 SATA: Publisher Name: Promise Technologies Version: 1.0.1.28, 6/3/2002, DMA Enabled Network Card: Publisher Name: Nvidia Version: 2.8.4.0, 10/4/2002 Sound Card: Publisher Name: Nvidia Version: 6.14.354.0, 7/15/2003 Video Card: Publisher Name: Nvidia Version: 4.4.6.7, 6/13/2003 Graphics Resolution: 1024x768 Color Depth: 32-bit Refresh Rate: 85Hz.

AMD Athlon 64 processor 3200+1 based system
Hardware: Motherboard: MS-6702 BIOS Info: A6702VMS V1.0Ba, 07/11/03**, Chipset: VIA Chipset Memory: Manufacturer & Type: Corsair CMX512-3500LL Quantity & Size: Qty (2) 512 MB (each) DIMM Module Total Memory Size: 1GB Hard Drive: Qty(2) Model Name: Western Digital Raptor Model Number: WD360 Hard Drive Size: 36.0 GB Transfer Mode: SATA Raid 0 10K RPM Other Info: NTFS was used to format the hard disk, 2 disks setup in a Raid0 configuration Network Card: Name: Integrated on motherboard; Model Number: Realtek RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter Sound Card: Manufacturer’s Name: RealTek Model Number: Realtek AC'97 Audio Video Card: Graphics Adapter: Nvidia FX 5900 Ultra Memory Size and Type: 256MB DDR Drivers: AGP Miniport: Publisher Name: VIA Name: VIA CPU to AGP2.0/AGP3.0 Controller Version: 5.1.0.3441, 12/27/2002 SATA: Publisher Name: Promise Technologies Version: 1.0.1.28, 6/3/2002, DMA Enabled Network Card: Publisher Name: Realtek Version: 5/100/702/2002, 7/2/2002 Sound Card: Publisher Name: Realtek Version: 5.10.0.5250, 6/19/2002 Video Card: Publisher Name: Nvidia Version: 4.4.6.7, 6/13/2003 Graphics Resolution: 1024x768 Color Depth: 32-bit Refresh Rate: 85Hz.

Intel Pentium® 4 processor based system
Hardware: Motherboard: Intel D875PBZ BIOS Info: BZ87510A.86A.0026.P05 Chipset: i875 Chipset Memory: Manufacturer & Type: Corsair CMX512-3500LL Quantity & Size: Qty (2) 512MB (each) DIMM Module Total Memory Size: 1GB Hard Drive: Qty(2) Model Name: Western Digital Raptor Model Number: WD360GD Hard Drive Size: 36.0 GB Transfer Mode: SATA Raid0 10K RPM Other Info: NTFS was used to format the hard disk, 2 disks setup in a Raid0 configuration Network Card: Name: Intel Model Number: Pro/1000 CT Network Connection (integrated on motherboard) Sound Card: Manufacturer’s Name: SoundblasterLive Model Number: SoundblasterLive CT4760 Video Card: Graphics Adapter: Nvidia GeForce FX 5900 Ultra Memory Size and Type: 256MB DDR Drivers: AGP Miniport: Publisher Name: Intel Version: 5.0.1006.0, 1/15/2003 EIDE: Publisher Name: Intel 82801EB Ultra ATA storage Controller Version: 5.0.1007.0, 1/15/2003, DMA Enabled Network Card: Publisher Name: Intel Version: 7.0.25.0, 2/19/2003 SATA: Publisher Name: Intel 82801ER SATA Raid Controller Version: 3.5.0.2568, 6/17/2003 Sound Card: Publisher Name: MS Version: 5.1.2535.0, 7/1/2001 Video Card: Publisher Name: Nvidia Version: 4.4.6.7, 6/13/2003 Graphics Resolution: 1024x768 Color Depth: 32-bit Refresh Rate: 85Hz.

well i am in uk and just ordered a alienware pc with this as processor.

only fools fall prey to alienware, voodoo, or mac

homebrew all the way!

yeah homebrew is the cheapest way to go...

also there is a major bug in the nforce3, that i have yet to hear been fixed, its something with the northbridge chip that causes a 33% loss in performance when doing certain intensive operations, im sure its gunan be fixed soon, but for now be aware

ermm, dude theres no northbridge in the athlon 64 mobo

*edit* its an integrated processor northbridge by the way which is directly linked to the Memory using hypertransport and opposingly to the I/O controller, thus enabling 9.6GB/s of data as opposed to a mobo northbridge bottleneck of 6.4Gb/s in athlon xp and p4

EDIT: whoops mixed up the quotes

QUOTE (i.stole.this.name @ Nov 10 2003, 11:09 AM)

ermm, dude theres no northbridge in the athlon 64

i think youre thinking northwood which is the pentium 4 chip, but the northbridge is a controller chip on the mobo


analasys reports here that there is an issue with the norbeidge on the nforce 3 chipset

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The extremely low AGP performance of the NForce3 can be clearly attributed to problems with the HyperTransport channel interface to the Northbridge. That is proven by the benchmark results and the performance differences of up to 33.2 percent. Details about this can be found in the benchmark section of this article.

i think we know what we're talking about dude, northwood and springdale are p4 codenames, we're not talking p4 now!

*edit*

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but the northbridge is a controller chip on the mobo

hence he said problem on the nforce3 which is a MOBO

im saying northBRIDGE!

not northwood!

EDIT: yeah and as it seems, i have only seen mobos using the nforce3 chipset for use in the 64 FX

QUOTE

im saying northBRIDGE! not northwood!

youre not making any sense, re read!

and yes there is a northbridge chip on the 64 mobos...

EDIT: fixed the quotes farther up, mixed them up

OH MY GOD stop! im getting this info off the AMD website, but obviously u know better huh

QUOTE (i.stole.this.name @ Nov 10 2003, 11:51 AM)

OH MY GOD stop! im getting this info off the AMD website, but obviously u know better huh

what you are saying is that the northbridge chip on all motherboard for AMD 64 chips are done away with, that is wrong, just the job of ram control has been sent directly to the cpu instead of the northbridge, it is still there but does not do as much as it did before

search the AMD website for something to do with a comparison of chip structures (that is 64vsXP) youll see what i mean, the northbridge has been entirely replaced off the 64 platform and divided amongst the sections of the processor and I/O controller

funny i do not see a thing on the site saying that it no longer uses the northbridge chip

IN FACT, it states it does use it
lookit Integrated Northbridge:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Produc...%5E9494,00.html

just cause the northbridge chip isnt used as much doesnt mean its been removed

also just to whet your whistle, here's a link to a few pics of the northbridge chip on the VIA k8T800(and southbridge) and Nforce3
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030923/...hlon_64-05.html

you guys say that only fools fall for voodoo, alienware, and mac but what about concerning laptops instead of desktops.
Could I actually do a homebrew laptop?
other than that, I've priced other systems comparable to the voodoo laptop I am abou tto buy and they are moore expensive from other places such as dell and gateway.

QUOTE (moistness @ Nov 10 2003, 06:27 AM)

QUOTE (frozen lake @ Nov 10 2003, 01:21 PM) if i had this what would i look forward to? AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-51 Processor a long wait for a 64 bit os?

umm, many linux distrobutions are working on this as we speak. they're in the testing stages and ready to download.

Listen and do not believe anything that amd tells you,i will never ever have anything to do with AMD cpu's,these AMD cpu's are for people that do not know any better.

QUOTE (ADAWG69 @ Nov 10 2003, 04:40 PM)

there isnt really any need for a 64 bit processor right now now because there isnt anything that could take advatage of the extra power. 64 bit processors will eventually be standard, but until then getting one now will only prepare you for hats coming.

yah, but when longhorn and other 64-bit supporting apps come out, there will either be a better one out, or the one tha tis out now will drop in price...by alot

here's a link for IA-64 linux distrobutions: http://www.linuxia64.org/

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Listen and do not believe anything that amd tells you,i will never ever have anything to do with AMD cpu's,these AMD cpu's are for people that do not know any better.

AMD cpu's are for those who dont know better? You are quite possebly one of the most arrogant people around here. Go read something processor related and quit spreading ignorant information...

QUOTE (pedro @ Nov 11 2003, 01:52 AM)

you guys say that only fools fall for voodoo, alienware, and mac but what about concerning laptops instead of desktops. Could I actually do a homebrew laptop? other than that, I've priced other systems comparable to the voodoo laptop I am abou tto buy and they are moore expensive from other places such as dell and gateway.

Im no pooter building expert but I'm pretty sure you can!
After all alienware seem to manage it and im sure that they only use custom laptop cases!

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Listen and do not believe anything that amd tells you,i will never ever have anything to do with AMD cpu's,these AMD cpu's are for people that do not know any better.

i looked at this and all i can say is n00b...

this is an idiot who fell for intels intensive (and crap, by the way) marketing scheme.

You try overclocking ANY p4 and AMD will still beat it, theyre more heat resistant, have a larger contact area and have features that blow p4 out of the water (like quantispeed architecture). plus they dont come with a crappy Aluminium IHS

QUOTE (i.stole.this.name @ Nov 11 2003, 11:15 AM)

QUOTE Listen and do not believe anything that amd tells you,i will never ever have anything to do with AMD cpu's,these AMD cpu's are for people that do not know any better. i looked at this and all i can say is n00b... this is an idiot who fell for intels intensive (and crap, by the way) marketing scheme. You try overclocking ANY p4 and AMD will still beat it, theyre more heat resistant, have a larger contact area and have features that blow p4 out of the water (like quantispeed architecture). plus they dont come with a crappy Aluminium IHS

lol i used to be that n00b, so i can understand where he is comin from, but change is a good thing

QUOTE (DermicSavage @ Nov 11 2003, 10:37 PM)

QUOTE (i.stole.this.name @ Nov 11 2003, 11:15 AM) QUOTE Listen and do not believe anything that amd tells you,i will never ever have anything to do with AMD cpu's,these AMD cpu's are for people that do not know any better. i looked at this and all i can say is n00b... this is an idiot who fell for intels intensive (and crap, by the way) marketing scheme. You try overclocking ANY p4 and AMD will still beat it, theyre more heat resistant, have a larger contact area and have features that blow p4 out of the water (like quantispeed architecture). plus they dont come with a crappy Aluminium IHS lol i used to be that n00b, so i can understand where he is comin from, but change is a good thing

yeah, change signifies understanding or an open minded person, most people just stick to their beliefs, not that i can talk, im the idiot who was insisting on there being no northbridge, but i swear i saw a pic at sum point on the AMD website comparing the Athlon XP system architecture and the AMD 64 one

Just thought I would share this with you guys: This weekend I am getting my new AMD processor. It is a 2800XP, It is going to be a huge jump for me seen as right now I am running an AMD equivalent to a p3 450! The mobo I am getting cool to because it comes with SATA support which is great for me cuz I can't really afford another SCSII (? I mean scuzzy, dont know if what I used was right) I am also getting a gig of RAM to boot so I will be happy for awhile. Now I just need to save up for an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro with 256 mgb of RAM!

QUOTE (ADAWG69 @ Nov 11 2003, 08:46 PM)

Now I just need to save up for an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro with 256 mgb of RAM!

i just this weekend bought a radeon 9800(non pro) 128 meg for 217 bux, where the radeon 9600 pro 256 will prolly be 190 for not as much performace...

ebay is great for stuff such as this

AMD IS GHEY



I hate the AMD fanboys at CompUSA...
"What???? You're not overclocking? WHAT???? You're buying an Intel?? WHATTT???? You're not getting an ASUS??? ?WHAT????"

Then, I just tell him that the FSB of the Microprocessor is way to slowww...

"SOOOOO???"

By then, I had the upper hand and I walked out.

I remember when I bought my first stick of DDR 400 PC3200 Ram,

*FLASHBACK*

Checkout Guy: "Hello... WOW! Is this a gamer?"
Me: "No, it's a 1996 word processor."
CG: "You're silly!"
Me: "You're retarded."
CG: "So, what's the specs?"
Me: "A Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz with HT. And a gigabyte motherboard."
CG: [Has heart attack.]
Me: [Laughs}
CG: "My specs are an AMD 64[blah, blah, slurred, sleeping, bathroom break] and a crappy tower."
Me: "How much did you pay for all that?"
CG: "1600.00"
Me: "You suck, I bought mine for under 650.00. And it still owns on yours."
CONCLUSION: AMD SUCKS MONKEY NUTZ.
THA END!

well this is the spec i have on order. However i will add a sounblaster 2 and a ati radeon 9800 pro. I like it and thats what matters to me!




Case: Alienware Full-Tower Case with 480 Watt PSU - Plasma Purple
Cable Management: Alienware Cable Management System
Video Cooling: AlienIce™ Video Cooling System - Astral Blue
Extra Mods: AlienEyes™ - Silver Head - Astral Blue
Processor: AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-51 Processor
Motherboard: ASUS SK8N - NVIDIA® nForce3™ Pro 150 Motherboard
Memory: 1GB Registered ECC DDR SDRAM PC-3200 - 2x512MB
Video Card: NVIDIA® GeForce™ FX 5200 Ultra 128MB 8X AGP w/DVI & S-video
Hard Drive: 80GB Seagate Barracuda Serial ATA 7200rpm w/ 8MB Cache - Quantity 1
Optical Drive One: 16/48x IDE DVD-ROM Drive - Black - w/Software MPEG-2 Decoder
Network Card: NVIDIA® DualNet® Integrated 100Mb Ethernet
Floppy Drive & Additional Storage: 1.44 MB Floppy Drive - Black
Operating System: MS® Windows® XP Professional UK
Keyboard: Logitech Internet Keyboard UK - Space Black
Mouse: MS IntelliMouse Explorer USB 3.0 - Plasma Purple
Free T-Shirt: Free Alienware® T-Shirt - White
Automated Support: AlienAutopsy: Automated Technical Support Request System
Warranty: 1-Year AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support

QUOTE (frozen lake @ Nov 12 2003, 12:40 PM)

well this is the spec i have on order. However i will add a sounblaster 2 and a ati radeon 9800 pro. I like it and thats what matters to me! Case: Alienware Full-Tower Case with 480 Watt PSU - Plasma Purple Cable Management: Alienware Cable Management System Video Cooling: AlienIce™ Video Cooling System - Astral Blue Extra Mods: AlienEyes™ - Silver Head - Astral Blue Processor: AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-51 Processor Motherboard: ASUS SK8N - NVIDIA® nForce3™ Pro 150 Motherboard Memory: 1GB Registered ECC DDR SDRAM PC-3200 - 2x512MB Video Card: NVIDIA® GeForce™ FX 5200 Ultra 128MB 8X AGP w/DVI & S-video Hard Drive: 80GB Seagate Barracuda Serial ATA 7200rpm w/ 8MB Cache - Quantity 1 Optical Drive One: 16/48x IDE DVD-ROM Drive - Black - w/Software MPEG-2 Decoder Network Card: NVIDIA® DualNet® Integrated 100Mb Ethernet Floppy Drive & Additional Storage: 1.44 MB Floppy Drive - Black Operating System: MS® Windows® XP Professional UK Keyboard: Logitech Internet Keyboard UK - Space Black Mouse: MS IntelliMouse Explorer USB 3.0 - Plasma Purple Free T-Shirt: Free Alienware® T-Shirt - White Automated Support: AlienAutopsy: Automated Technical Support Request System Warranty: 1-Year AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support

OWNED by corporate propaganda

(PS go for 9800XT, PSS nvidia Sux)

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Then, I just tell him that the FSB of the Microprocessor is way to slowww...

Shows just how unexperienced you are, thinking of directly comparing AMD to intel, when a Barton FSB can smack intel in the ass with a 800~1000MHz FSB equivalence

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Me: "You suck, I bought mine for under 650.00. And it still owns on yours." CONCLUSION: AMD SUCKS MONKEY NUTZ.

A: You're a cheapo! mwahahaha
B: i can smoke ur puny 2.8 GHz h/t with a Barton 2500+
C: irrelevance, don't come on an amd thread and post you're completely useless information not backed up by anything, as you make yourself look like a fool AND an embarassment to the Xbox-Scene Community; if you prefer Intel i'll respect you're opinion, but when you try to flame the world's fastest 32-bit processor and the people who own it, i'll simply laugh at you're stupidity, as i am now

QUOTE (frozen lake @ Nov 12 2003, 01:40 AM)

well this is the spec i have on order.  However i will add a sounblaster 2 and a ati radeon 9800 pro.  I like it and thats what matters to me!  Case: Alienware Full-Tower Case with 480 Watt PSU - Plasma Purple Cable Management: Alienware Cable Management System Video Cooling: AlienIce™ Video Cooling System - Astral Blue Extra Mods: AlienEyes™ - Silver Head - Astral Blue Processor: AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-51 Processor Motherboard: ASUS SK8N - NVIDIA® nForce3™ Pro 150 Motherboard Memory: 1GB Registered ECC DDR SDRAM PC-3200 - 2x512MB Video Card: NVIDIA® GeForce™ FX 5200 Ultra 128MB 8X AGP w/DVI & S-video Hard Drive: 80GB Seagate Barracuda Serial ATA 7200rpm w/ 8MB Cache - Quantity 1 Optical Drive One: 16/48x IDE DVD-ROM Drive - Black - w/Software MPEG-2 Decoder Network Card: NVIDIA® DualNet® Integrated 100Mb Ethernet Floppy Drive & Additional Storage: 1.44 MB Floppy Drive - Black Operating System: MS® Windows® XP Professional UK Keyboard: Logitech Internet Keyboard UK - Space Black Mouse: MS IntelliMouse Explorer USB 3.0 - Plasma Purple Free T-Shirt: Free Alienware® T-Shirt - White Automated Support: AlienAutopsy: Automated Technical Support Request System Warranty: 1-Year AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support

u got fucked over big time on the video there bud, geforce FX 5200 is the next weakest card on the market(next to the Radeon 9000)

if u want to be a gamer and take advantage of it, you need at least a Radeon 9600, and of course 9800 XT for the best, nvidia has been goin the way of the shithole recently, as radeons have shown to have better preformance than nvidia in the majority of tests
EDIT EDIT: hey frozen, how much did u pay for that? i want more fuel to feed my laughing

EDIT: btw, just cause its AMD, dun mean u HAVE to overclock it ...

wayyy too many of my freinds have ruined their comps doin it, and all for an extra few 100 mhz!?! i would only do this unless u got the money to buy a new one when it craps out in a year cause youre pushing it past what it can do(this goes for intel too)

QUOTE (DermicSavage @ Nov 12 2003, 04:19 PM)

if u want to be a gamer and take advantage of it, you need at least a Radeon 9600, and of course 9800 XT for the best, nvidia has been goin the way of the shithole recently, as radeons have shown to have better preformance than nvidia in the majority of tests

like i posted my graphics card at moment is radeon 9800 pro. Choosing the included one reduced the cost

QUOTE (DermicSavage @ Nov 12 2003, 04:19 PM)

EDIT EDIT: hey frozen, how much did u pay for that? i want more fuel to feed my laughing

it cost £1,175.00

i think thats ok as i have seen how much the AMD 64 sells for along with mobo.

oh and btw i know fair bit about pc's however i have never built one from scratch. Inagine screwing it up!

Way i see it pay a little more and your a$$ is covered.

holy crap. that's a made cpu.


you'll be running game like mega fast

I do agree that AMD is faster. My friend has a computer with the same specs as me but an AMD processor and its defiantly faster. my 2cents.

I watn a new laptop with the AMD 64, 1 gb ram, ati 9600 pro (mobile version), dvd bunrner, and a good sound card. Where could a find a system with similar specs for a good price. Ive looked at voodoo ( I know what you all say about voodoo and alienware but hey, I thaught Id give it a look) and it is like 3300 dollars. Where should I look?
I dont want to build it my self because Ive never done it before and dont want to risk wasting money on it right now.

only place i have foudn 64 bit laptops is at voodoo, but i have found hypersonic to make some nice laptops


and btw, just cause he has a good cpu doesnt mean he can run games well, in fact you got the next shittiest card on the market, if you do games at all you need to upgrade that thing asap

thants the only one I have found but I have heard that vooodoo is all marketing and not worth the money. But I really want the amd 64 so shoudl I jsut get it from voodoo?

i have not foudn any other retailer, so if you HAVE to have it right now use voodoo, but wait a few months or so and other 64 bit laptops will pop up

Hm funny, my dual 64-bit system is from 1997...

As for fanboy rants, I'll just step aside and laugh at both sides.

I am pro intel but only because i burnt up 2 amd procs and not willing to spend any more on another processor. The first one, the metal arm snapped off of the fan on top of it and it burned a whole right through the processor. The second one just didn't work and they wouldn't take it back because i had set it on the shelf for a couple of weeks before trying it. So I am going with intel. I have a:

3.0 gig 800 mhz fsb proc
asus p4c800
2 raided 120 gig sata drives
1 gig of xtreme ram
radeon 9800 pro (not sure what an radeon tx is?)
Soundblaster Audigy 2
Windows xp pro

It runs like a beast. I really don't care if the latest amd gets 5 fps more then me, I'm still probably going to kill them in UT and anything else I them in!

QUOTE (Mage @ Nov 14 2003, 05:20 PM)

Hm funny, my dual 64-bit system is from 1997... As for fanboy rants, I'll just step aside and laugh at both sides.

xeons dont count :/

im not flamin but i think amd processors are shit in my opinion, my dad had two amd pc's and they suck shit! nothing but problems with them....get a 2.6ghz p4 w/ h/t......

QUOTE (DermicSavage @ Nov 14 2003, 06:56 PM)

QUOTE (Mage @ Nov 14 2003, 05:20 PM) Hm funny, my dual 64-bit system is from 1997... As for fanboy rants, I'll just step aside and laugh at both sides.  xeons dont count :/

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Xeons are 32-bit.

hey my pentium pro will pwnz all your systems! j/k I like amds, but then agian I make sure that I try out stuff right away from a store that has dated return polices, and I install them right. What kinda 64 bit system you got mage, sun, sgi?