Has syetm mods been giving out bad chips lately? i have tried multiple flashes multiple times tried it on different xboxes and i sitll get the same problem where the xboxes Frag and reboot 3 times.

i have a programmer for the x2.2 lite...

Now i am reading on these message board with everyone having the same problem.

possibly they have a bad flash or did not do it properly, but still it should have a cromwell bios on it... and it shouldn't frag like that.

Anyways would liek everyones 2cents because i file a rma last week and followup e-mails and they are not responding to any of them... and they charged my credit card a second time without my authorization... this is definitely not good business and anyone thinking of purchasing from system mods should stay away from them for the time being because it seems that there load is to heavy for them to even support

I love SYSTEM-MODS.com,
My chip went bad and they were nice enough to help me get a new one. My chip worked fine then it just died... I don't know it was a bad anything just went dead. But I bought from someone cheaper but still when I needed help they were there and I could actually talk to someone.. Good luck with your prob.

I've gotten a x2.0, 2.1, and 2.2, all pros form them, and they all worked fine so far....got 3 more to buy soon to, so, hope they still are.

Well i hope your right because all i have had are problems with them and now they flat out don't respond to my e-mails

Lorden: What was your order number? I'm not employed with System-Mods, but I know some of the guys.. I've ordered from them before and they're the only guys I'll EVER order from after a horrible experience with another vendor... Anyway, PM me your order number, maybe I can help?

QUOTE (lorden @ Nov 12 2003, 01:22 AM)

Has syetm mods been giving out bad chips lately? i have tried multiple flashes multiple times tried it on different xboxes and i sitll get the same problem where the xboxes Frag and reboot 3 times. i have a programmer for the x2.2 lite... Now i am reading on these message board with everyone having the same problem. possibly they have a bad flash or did not do it properly, but still it should have a cromwell bios on it... and it shouldn't frag like that. Anyways  would liek everyones 2cents because i file a rma last week and followup e-mails and they are not responding to any of them... and they charged my credit card a second time without my authorization... this is definitely not good business and anyone thinking of purchasing from system mods should stay away from them for the time being because it seems that there load is to heavy for them to even support

they get the same chips everyone else does - yes there is cromwell on them - and yes if you get FRAG you've probably screwed up somewhere

dont automatically think that because the chip isnt working means that it's faulty - 9/10 of the time means you fitted it wrong

i really feel for system-mods as ive seen their returns figures - and over 90% of the returns are absolutley fine - kinda makes you wonder how that's possible from something so relativley easy to fit.

SMT have an excellent service policy - ive highlighted your case in their tech support channel on efnet for you

however your scare mongering comments are totally out of order - i'd bet my ass there is nothing wrong with your chip - simply becuase of the poor attitude you've displayed here - sounds like you don't have much patience

Maybe you should put your reading glasses on Ubergeek and read my post a second time, thanks for posting my concers on efnet, but i did the same on monday and they reassured me someone will respond no later than yesterday.

I did not state a poor atittude, in fact i was just stating my situation and how they haven't responded to my e-mails in days, the only helpful person is "pane2k" and there is nothing he can do about it but forward my message to the RMA, after everything i tried there doesn't seem to be any other plausible explanation but a bad chip, i've been working on it for a week day in and day out, for a modchip that is a week too long to get it working.

If you are here to help me that's fine and thanks but to tell me i displayed a poor atittude when practically all the posts on the forum are about the same thing and not one valid response to them seems to be that they possibly got a bad batch of chips (which is possible by the way)


Nimbulan: Thank you, i will PM you the info right away.

To say that there a lot people having problems with their chips "lately" is ludicrous. There is ALWAYS 50 new threads a day with people having problems with their chip. And I would go so far to say that 99% of the time, it is user error, not a problem with the chip.

And as for SMT, I have ordered many chips from them for installs, and only once did I have a problem, and that was a broken switch on the external PCB, which is hardly the fault of SMT, like Ubergeek said, they get the same chips as everyone else.

Lorder which email adress are you sending this to? we seldemly ever ignore emails unless the person is a complete ass. We dont have to help people who dont want be curtiouse and helped. Pm me your email adress and your invoice#. Did you already RMA the chip once? If so did you do a express rma?
Just like ubergeek said you seem a little imaptient but thats not a problem i am very patient and will be dealing with your matter personnaly. If your CC was charged twice fro no reason then we will refund it right away ofcourse. We Never leave annyone hanging and by all means never scamm annyone. Your problem is a minor one that can be fixed very quickly So just pm me your info and i will find out whats going on and get your issue resolved and look up the tickets you submitted and see why there were not responded to. (I am not a big fan of no response and i will get on my Email ticket guys right away if they were ignored with out reason.

Hey I filled out a RMA express form on thursday last week and then sent a e-mail to rma@system-mods.com on Tuesday when the 48 HRS expired, I then sent a e-mail through "order tracking" and input my info and i got a response about 2 hrs later from pane2k who said he will forward this to you as soon as possible.

I just received a e-mail about 2 hours ago from Balla claiming;

"we do not offer express rma on lite+: Which is NO WHERE stated on the RMA express checkout, IN FACT you specifically state you do offer RMA express for LITE+ by stating the following;

"You may not rma a LITE+ if you have tried to solder the pins. Trying to solder the pins in anyway, voids your warranty for the chip."

I didn't solder anything.

He then sent me another e-mail telling me to pack my stuff up and send it to you guys to be tested and stated "PLEASE SEND THE ENTIRE
KIT, WIRES, PIN HEADERS, EXTERNAL ADAPTOR, FCC CABLE, DO NOT SEND BACK POGO
PINS)"

I CANNOT REMOVE THE POGO PINS.

And then he goes on to state;

"Also keep in mind you may NOT return a used chip."

Obviously the CHIP has been used, that's how i know it doesn't work, i've used it for a whole week, flashed it with many differnet bioses, many different ways... so does this mean i am not entitled to a return?

You can read my e-mails there was no impatience at all, but my patience is wearing thin now becasue it's been over 2 weeks since i made the purchase;

My original RMA # is:

ID............: 17826

and the followup e-mail with RMA is:

ID............: 17999

You can personally view them and tell me wether or not i was "Impatient"

About that charge with my bank, the second one seems to be pending with the bank so i was able to put a stop to it

QUOTE (lorden @ Nov 12 2003, 01:22 PM)

when practically all the posts on the forum are about the same thing and not one valid response to them

im sorry this is crap

The majority of people who post on support forums are looking for support i.e. they cant get their shit to work. You're not going to find 50 thousand posts saying "hey i installed the mod and its working" - wanna know why ? they have no reason to - plus they're too busy playing with their xbox

when someone posts a problem it is usually down to a FRAG which means they havent installed their mod correctly or flashed it correctly. It is very rarely a fauly chip.

SO for you to say there is a bad batch of chips is in fact scae mongering and a fabrication - if there was a bad batch i'd know about it

Now that nolga has responded to this thread hopefully you can get fixed up

I am not here to knock on SMT as they were very helpfull to me. I will however defend the guy that may very well have gotten a faulty chip. I have installed many mod chips starting back with the psone and the dreamcast. Now obviously flashable lpc mods are alittle different, as far as gettting them to work properly goes. But lets face it, once you understand bios flashing and you've installed several chips. Which is what this guy has claimed. You probably aren't making mistakes if you've tried everything for a week. Now I don't know this other guys intelligents level, but I know my own and flashing a bios onto a chip is pretty simple. I did get not just one but 2 bad chips from SMT...not their fault a bit I'm sure, and they were very quick on my rma, but the chips were indeed bad. The first one was a pro in which the switches didn't work. The second being a lite that had no cromewell flashbios on it when installed. In fact I went as far as to try a hot swap flash on that lite chip and it would not work. The chip would not take a Flash no matter what. So I am here to say that yes bad chips do happen!!! I got 2 in a row!!! Again SMT worked very well with me, and I will order from them again!!!

Thanks XBguy, No where in my post did i bash SMT, it was just a inquiry if anyone else is havign the same problem because from my personal experience they did not respond to my RMA for about a week now (although they did respond today and there giving me some stories i do not appreciate as stated above)

I luckily bought a programmer lite knowing my luck things liek this always happen to me, althoug the cromwell BIOS should of been isntalled and it shouldn't of fragged on all 3 xboxes i tried flashing the bios multiple times, multiple ways and i spoke to "Pane2k" from system-mods which again was very helpful but from a totally different department, everything he told me was done 3 times before and i thought of my own remedies, but this is not rocket science, there's so much you can do before realizing that possibly the chip is bad.

Ubergeek, i don't know if your a mod here with the amount of posts you have but i sure hope your not because getting on a topic to just bash is not being helpful like you state, if people post the same thing over and over again maybe there should be a sticky on how to fix it on the top of the page just like every other tutorial or forum in here.

I have posted numerous times on this board and never got the help i needed, like i said it's been over a week and there is no way that i AUTOMATICALLY assumed the chip was bad, i did my own kind of troubleshooting and my own type of research, and seeing about 50 new psots every day with the same problem and no response tells me that either no one knows the answer or no one is willing to help. I personally believe it's the latter since everyone that is working is "enjoying there xboxes" like you state... it's claimed that this should be a hobby and practically every post i read dreads piracy and doesn't condone it, but a hobby is to experience every poissibility and every error, a hobby is to make in this case is too make sure the modchip stops working in every way possible and share the information with the rest, too be too busy to be playing with your modded xbox seems to go against this whole forums policies.

I've been on different message boards for othe products like satellites dishes and they can differentiate hobby and piracy.

I dont what you talking about with piracy or whatnot, but uh, sure.

Also, there is a 25+ page thread for SMT in this forum, which is where this should have been posted in the first place
After you get it resolved one or the other, I hope that you post your experience in that thread, where customers can read hundreds of posts on the quality of service, and make a decision from there.

EDIT: /me chuckles softly at the comment about Ubergeek

I've had the same problems with a lite 2.2+ trying to install into two different ver 1.0 Xbox's. Burned CD-R, CD-RW's no luck on flashing.. and then that fragging. Don't know if it would help any, but gotta make sure you get some good bioses and flash it thru the programmer. I ain't no XS-Genius, but after doing that and flashing it myself that way.. It worked perfect on both Xboxes. I might have taken the easy way out.. but hey i'm a happy campeR now!

and yes.... i have already gotten my friends to order their chips from System-mods. Some were easy, and some had to flash through the programmer.. all in all.. WE ARE ALL HAPPY.

and yes.. they charged me twice, but i called them and in two days.. i was credited back. Overall i think they rock!

QUOTE (wweboy @ Nov 11 2003, 08:46 PM)

I love SYSTEM-MODS.com, My chip went bad and they were nice enough to help me get a new one. My chip worked fine then it just died... I don't know it was a bad anything just went dead. But I bought from someone cheaper but still when I needed help they were there and I could actually talk to someone.. Good luck with your prob.

yup that goes for me too, i had a chip that wouldnt flash long time ago from SMT .. did a RMA and nolga sent me a new one.. i also got charged customs/tax by accident for the new chip and nogla sent me paypal payment to cover for that too!

SMT is straight as a arrow.. if i lived in USA i would still be ordering from them.. great shop!

QUOTE (lorden @ Nov 13 2003, 01:59 AM)

No where in my post did i bash SMT Ubergeek, i don't know if your a mod here with the amount of posts you have but i sure hope your not because getting on a topic to just bash is not being helpful like you state, if people post the same thing over and over again maybe there should be a sticky on how to fix it on the top of the page just like every other tutorial or forum in here.

yes you did - you said they were selling a bad batch of chips when you had absolutley zero to back it up

No im not a mod. I'm from Team Xecuter - and we do have tutorials posted on hos to fix your shit. It's title is "install it correctly in the first place"

I'm not bashing your complaint - i'm bashing the way you are doing it - i.e. posting bullshit about a "bad batch of chips"

QUOTE (XBGuy @ Nov 13 2003, 01:42 AM)

So I am here to say that yes bad chips do happen!!!

Yes I know - im trying to find the post where I said they dont - what I did say was that they are rare

The entire issue with this guys post is him making thread suggesting system-mods have a bad batch of chips - when i know for a fact they aren't.

I'm not saying its not faulty - it may well be - but making a post with this suggestion is not only scaremongering, and also suggesting that everyone posting about a FRAG has the same problem as him - he obviosuley doesnt understand that a FRAG leads to a thousand different problems and solutions - mostly down to the users installation / setup

QUOTE (lorden @ Nov 12 2003, 07:22 AM)

.......seems to be that they possibly got a bad batch of chips (which is possible by the way)

here's the quote, tell me if i specifically said they were selling bad chips or that it's a possibility... you can read the whole post if ifyou want it's in the first page

then perhaps you should rename the title of this thread (which attracts the most attention) from:

System Mods, Bad Flashes, Bad Chips, and they don't respond to rMA's

to:

System Mods, Possible Bad Flashes, Possible Bad Chips, and they didn't respond to my rMA

mmmmmm

QUOTE (lorden @ Nov 12 2003, 01:22 AM)

Has syetm mods been giving out bad chips lately? i have tried multiple flashes multiple times tried it on different xboxes and i sitll get the same problem where the xboxes Frag and reboot 3 times. i have a programmer for the x2.2 lite... Now i am reading on these message board with everyone having the same problem. possibly they have a bad flash or did not do it properly, but still it should have a cromwell bios on it... and it shouldn't frag like that. Anyways would liek everyones 2cents because i file a rma last week and followup e-mails and they are not responding to any of them... and they charged my credit card a second time without my authorization... this is definitely not good business and anyone thinking of purchasing from system mods should stay away from them for the time being because it seems that there load is to heavy for them to even support

and here's your ORIGINAL post which started you whole scaremongering off

you didnt mention anything about anything being possible until 7 posts into the thread when you kinda rubbed people up the wrong way with your bashing comments like....

"anyone thinking of purchasing from system mods should stay away from them for the time being because it seems that there load is to heavy for them to even support"

Now instead of trying to throw curve balls (bad ones) - why not just admit thaat your comments were misleading and we can continue to get your problem solved for you.

Topic is supposed to attract like that, i barely had space to write that; description is always more detailed, and if you read that first post you quoted on i did say "possibly" and told people my experience and what i noticed and wanted other people's opinions, i was upset and still am that policies are not being followed and everyone thinks i'm trying to be rude when i am giving out my own experience and what I THINK may be going on, practically every post of mine has the word "possibly" in it as in MY assumption, if people take it the wrong way maybe they should, others are happy with there service but I am not especially since this is my first purchase from them.

The last 2.2 lite i installed didnt flash correctly from cd. I had to hot swap it with my own xbox and flash with evox. I syggest if you have not suceessfully got your chip flashed to try it that way if possible.

QUOTE (burdo @ Nov 15 2003, 04:43 AM)

The last 2.2 lite i installed didnt flash correctly from cd. I had to hot swap it with my own xbox and flash with evox. I syggest if you have not suceessfully got your chip flashed to try it that way if possible.

flashing problems can also be attributed to the current version of cromwell (1.8) that is used for the flashbios. The x2.3's will be based on a newer version of cromwell, and should hopefully fix some bugs. It of course wont help your xbox drive read media, that is outside of what the bios can do.

I have purchased 8 chips from SMT over the last 2 months. All X 2.2 Pro. The chips all worked flawlessly. Though of the 8, I got one switch board with a burned out LED. Turns out I like having no bright blue light in a dark room during a movie, so I kept that SW board for myself. I would have posted this sooner, but I was too busy playing.


Thanks for the fast shipping SMT.