Just to clarify, but a USB mouse connected to an xbox controller (using the PSO adapter) *won't* work currently? I tried it and didn't see a mouse pointer, so I assumed it wasn't working yet.

Tried it on my Xecuter2 xbox today, unplug controller as soon as I push the button.

Screen goes black and the LED on the front flashes orange for a second and then starts flashing green. Windows CE does not boot. Stays at black screen.

I checked in evox.ini and all IGR are set to no (although there is one built into the bios as I remember).

Anyone else find anything that can trip this up so it won't boot?

QUOTE (splat @ Dec 31 2003, 02:52 PM)

Just to clarify, but a USB mouse connected to an xbox controller (using the PSO adapter) *won't* work currently? I tried it and didn't see a mouse pointer, so I assumed it wasn't working yet.

Mouse will work with PSO adapter but you can't see the cursor so you have to randomly click on things until you hit the thing you want

My god this is fantastic, well done for sortign this out mate.

Ive got a Pal XBOX
with a home made usb cable (made when xbox first came out) and mouse works a treat.

Looks like ive got a new toy to play with

I can not get this Windows CE thing to run, my screen is flickering and all I could see is Something like a Windows desktop, Anyone have any idea why it does that for me, Oh I even created a boot cd, and I whan and put it on my the xbox it boot the CD fine, but it said something about error, and it just stay in that black screen.

Can someone help me please!!!!

im currently trying to figure out if we can get windows xp embedded to work. if we can, this will sureley open the door to good windows on the xbox.

I just wanted to warn everyone... if you run wince.net, it might screw up your date (mine was on 2099), and that will cause many games to crash when loading

I thought something was wrong with my hardrive =(

QUOTE (MiL0 @ Dec 31 2003, 09:23 AM)

I myself don't know much about programming but I was under the impression that WinCE on the dreamcast was very rarely used (if at all) for games. Programmers would write there games on the DC's native OS which wasn't WinCE. Could be wrong though so don't flame

Sort of. This is a large point of confusion for people, and it'll probably never go away.

The Dreamcast does not run on Windows CE.

It *does*, however, support the API within its own system, so as to make some game features work more closely to the Win32 API, making cross-platform development a lot easier. One game in particular that used the WinCE API was Hundred Swords. I believe Grandia II and Sega Swirl did as well, though I don't know this for a fact.

Essentially, it's not like you have to choose between using WinCE and Naomi - The WinCE subset was added on top of Naomi, and it's there for those that want to use it.

aren't windows ce applications usually geared towards specific architecture? I mean, really really specific....

the only applications that would run on this would be ones compiled for wince.net x86.... right?

I have an old windows ce 2.0 sh3 hp/c device (Phenom Ultra)... no one can compile for it anymore (must be 2.11 at least)... and it's always been a pain trying to find applications for it. I really hate it when something says it's supported by wince2.0 sh3 hp/c... and I buy it, plug it up... and the drivers aren't compatible

I'm not really sure what the advantages of wince.net would be if you have to compile specifically for it.

Also, has anyone ever tried porting wince.net to PC? or is this the first time it's been ported to x86?

QUOTE (uiibaa @ Dec 31 2003, 06:40 PM)

I just wanted to warn everyone... if you run wince.net, it might screw up your date (mine was on 2099), and that will cause many games to crash when loading I thought something was wrong with my hardrive =(

To add to that warning, it set my clock to 2099 as well, and not only did some of my games refuse to load, but one in particular (Beyond Good & Evil) corrupted my old saved game when I tried to save.

QUOTE (uiibaa @ Dec 31 2003, 07:40 PM)

I just wanted to warn everyone... if you run wince.net, it might screw up your date (mine was on 2099), and that will cause many games to crash when loading I thought something was wrong with my hardrive =(

thats what the problem was.. i was freaking out last night cause none of my backups were working.... thanks for the tip uiibaa

hows the bug fixing coming along artifex?

This is without a doubt one of the coolest things ever....

I can't wait to see the final product!

Great Work!

i cant belive everthing works, there is a onboard keyboard too, but they need to fix it so u can see the mouse, omg its soooooooooooooooooooooooo f'in niceeeeeee

If network support comes along... imagine using IE on the xbox.

All I can say is WOW!!!

This looks fantastic. It would make it so easy for people to write their own code for their xbox's (obviously not games). MSN messenger is something, in particular, I would love to have some kind of access to on my xbox. This could be the answer.

Excited.

(Shame that Pocket Word and Pocket Excel are awful. I would love to see the Appforge Booster for an Xbox Very Unlikely)

is there anyway to make a normal keyboard into a usb keyboard, i have the right stuff to do it, i just want to know if u can do it?

get a ps/2 to usb adapter, they make them so you can connect both a keyboard and mouse to a single usb port

doesnt matter theres no keyboard support and if u cant get it to boot turn off IGR once i did that i was golden and i played around with it but i couldnt get the onboard screenboard unless theres a option in the control panel i didnt have time as i was using xbox as dvd player on hdtv and people wanted to get onto the next dvd this nye lol.

also on here once we get keyboard and mouse cursor we should be able to install pocketpc 2k2 and 2k3 apps. i think we can from what my uncle was saying as he was messed with CE and PocketpC

Well I would like to test this as soon as I can.

Nice Work

QUOTE (xbox junkie @ Jan 1 2004, 03:50 AM)

doesnt matter theres no keyboard support and if u cant get it to boot turn off IGR once i did that i was golden

I've disabled IGR through the dashboard and put the "x2_IGR_disabled" file onto my E: drive as specified by the Xecuter web page but I still get the single Red Flash and then flashing Green LED on the XBOX when trying to run Windows CE.

Perhaps IGR has to be totally disabled in the bios as well (i.e. flash a bios with that feature killed).

Or is there a different way to disable IGR on X4977?

try actually physically removing the IGR

I can't get it to boot, either. Believe me, I followed directions to a 'T'. No IGR, remove controller as soon as I press A to launch, and Usb mouse plugged in (w/ homemade cable...) in controller port one with no DVD dongle. It just stays black.

Oh well, I'll keep playing with it.

Then I'll try to run WinCE again.

Try it with only one controller.... gun's make it not load!

u dont need the mouse firstly so get it booting without a mouse first if u get it booted just plug one in and itll work. next u have to be quick and im talking super quick as soon as u press A the controller has to be disconntected at least for me.

Hey Duds;-))

I need a download-link for the
12-29-2003 XBOX Windows CE.NET 4.20 on the MS Xbox 10.90MB

where I can get it, I would like to try it ...;-)))

miamikel

no power for a white stupid man --> Mr. Bush

QUOTE (miamikel @ Jan 1 2004, 09:57 PM)

Hey Duds;-)) I need a download-link for the 12-29-2003 XBOX Windows CE.NET 4.20 on the MS Xbox 10.90MB where I can get it, I would like to try it ...;-))) miamikel no power for a white stupid man --> Mr. Bush

omg n00b here Xbins For Dummies

Hey duds ;-)

I'm from germany and I'wnt to know, is there PAL supported ;-))) ????

What kind of evox-version i need..????

I use the M7 Bios...;-))


Thanx


no power for a white stupid man --> Mr. Bush

QUOTE (miamikel @ Jan 1 2004, 09:57 PM)

Hey Duds;-)) I need a download-link for the 12-29-2003 XBOX Windows CE.NET 4.20 on the MS Xbox 10.90MB where I can get it, I would like to try it ...;-))) miamikel no power for a white stupid man --> Mr. Bush

http://getsweaaa.com/Ce-Xbox.zip.torrent

right there

Aargh! I seem to have the same problem as some other people here, Led goes Orange (or is it Red?) and then flashes Green for a couple of seconds, then nothing! Could it be something with the High defenition AV pack? My Xbox is a origanally an PAL 1.1 but is now running NTSC (required to activate HDTV on the Xbox)

After i launch the .xbe, my projector tells me it receives a RGB signal but but there is no picture.

Pleeeze look into this

QUOTE (Zapata @ Jan 2 2004, 12:52 AM)

Aargh! I seem to have the same problem as some other people here, Led goes Orange (or is it Red?) and then flashes Green for a couple of seconds, then nothing! Could it be something with the High defenition AV pack?

Ah thats a good point, I have the same symptom and also have the High Def Pack attached connected to my HDTV. I'm NTSC as well.

I might try the YC cable and see if that works.

iots i have already said i used a ntsc xvox 1.0 no igr and hdtx converter

Yes Yes.. HDAV pack does not work properly. Using the standard composite cable works fine. Oh if there was a cursor.. It would be on.

Anyway, lots of people seem to piss on the idea of windows on a xbox. "Ive got a PC bla bla" I agree its not going to replace my main PC, but it is going to add one to my TV room Without having to buy some over priced Media Center PC that is half as capable video wise. And mine plays mad games. I personally dont like linux on the xbox because its to damn pokey and Im not a linux kind of guy. CE is gonna run sweeet, so much potential. Oh how I cant wait for keyb, mouse, net, fatx and nvidia.. and hopefully bluetooth will work! I just closed her back up from hardwiring my dvd dongle and should have added another relay and usb port to the rear just so I can be ready when it does Im thinkin sound is gonna be a tough one to get working unfortunately.

Ol' Bill could save some fingers and just release what hes got on his xbox to the public Finally my stash of CE apps may get some good use. It was only a matter of time!

Props to Artifex & Phoenix and others involved!

sound could be tricky indeed, but what about getting a cheap usb soundcard that has open source drivers for it?

bit of a long shot but worth considering perhaps.

Year I have the problem lost and I#m know a fucking winner...;-)

You must have the newest EvolutionX (>= Version 3935), so I think you have no problems on PAL and other X-Box TV-Systems..;-)

The other thing is to have a USB-Kontakt ...., because the System/Emu hang on if you have no USB mice...

The Best Wishes for a Happy New Year duds...!



Mr. Bush we don't need a stupid white man with a lot of power

QUOTE (miamikel @ Jan 2 2004, 06:45 PM)

Year I have the problem lost and I#m know a fucking winner...;-) You must have the newest EvolutionX (>= Version 3935), so I think you have no problems on PAL and other X-Box TV-Systems..;-) The other thing is to have a USB-Kontakt ...., because the System/Emu hang on if you have no USB mice... The Best Wishes for a Happy New Year duds...! Mr. Bush we don't need a stupid white man with a lot of power

Eh? well, you are not correct, not correct, oh and not correct

QUOTE (Thorvald @ Jan 1 2004, 06:43 AM)

QUOTE (xbox junkie @ Jan 1 2004, 03:50 AM) doesnt matter theres no keyboard support and if u cant get it to boot turn off IGR once i did that i was golden I've disabled IGR through the dashboard and put the "x2_IGR_disabled" file onto my E: drive as specified by the Xecuter web page but I still get the single Red Flash and then flashing Green LED on the XBOX when trying to run Windows CE. Perhaps IGR has to be totally disabled in the bios as well (i.e. flash a bios with that feature killed). Or is there a different way to disable IGR on X4977?

got it working here, with a x2 bios, igr enabled (but didnt work anymore offcourse)
PAL v1.0 xbox
no mouse, no controllers at all, started it from the FlashFXP after I uploaded it

great job artifex!! hehe only thing i have to say is u shouldve released it a long time ago

QUOTE (dr.no @ Dec 30 2003, 04:53 AM)

superb³ Imo the next big thing after xbox-linux and dashboards.

yeah ,

also nice going stealing my old avatar dr.no

I just tried it on my xbox today..I dont have a direct Xbox>USB adapter.. Ionly have the one that goes into the controller port. Anyways, after I hooked up the regular AV cables it booted fine, still can't get USB to work but I hope that support for the xbox controller or USB through xbox controller port will come later on.

Great work though. Very cool having a Windows OS visible on the XBOX. I cant wait to see how this CE.NET developes on XBOX.

Cheers

why not add the Xbox controller Drivers? , Windows has an onscreen keyboard , i dont know if CE has it cause i have never used it.

My XBox= 1.0 XBox ,NTSC ,HDTV pack ,UnleashX and Evox ,IGR OFF, X2=4979.67

1. CE.net has a virtual keyboard = True
2. The xbox HDTV pack works with CE.net = True (ive done it)
3. You Do not need a USB mouse Plugged in = True (tested)
4. Windows CE.Net doesnt support Forcus chip yet = Reports and Readme says no i cant test.


We need to get it so the xbox controller doesnt crash CE.Net when it boots, Mouse Cursor and Keyboard support,
post more when i think of it i need some sleep two days and only 5 hours sleep

I can't wait to test the windows CE on xbox. Unfortunately I (rather my brother) broke my Xbox by sending a power arch through it. (it's weird what you will try when you are drinking around the holidays). Anyway, I'm glad to see that people are plowing ahead with getting windows to work on the xbox. I like the fact that windows CE works on the xbox, I can't wait to see XP embedded on the xbox (because it has many more possibilities than CE). From what I have found with XPE, it's very similar to the normal windows xp installation on a standard PC and still uses the ntldr file to start the OS. I don't know if ntldr has to be compiled specifically for the xbox or not. (I can't really test it till I get my backordered Pre-owned xbox back from gamestop..............joy). But if the xbox could initialize the ntldr then this would give a little insight into that might happen when trying to load xpe on the xbox.

What I'm trying to do is use the linux xbox bootloader which has the .cfg file that specifies what bootfile to start, and replace vmlinuz with ntldr and see what happens. May not work but from what I figure is, all you need is a windows XP embedded image that runs on the xbox hardware that initializes itself from an xbe file. (since that is typically the only file the xbox can run) The other problem is recognizing the xbox fatx file system. You may have to format a partition using FAT or NTFS on the xbox to be able to boot windows XPE since that is typically the only file system it uses.

These are just my thoughts spoken aloud. Maybe someone will find it useful.

indeed, but since you will be running it from an iso(to begin), you wont need ntfs or fat, as it can be provided in the iso.
imo, i do not believe XPe would be any better then CE, the only advantage of XPe whould be more app selections, but pretty much every thing you whould need is open source, and compiling for CE shouldn't be that hard for our more adept programmers plus win CE is insta-boot where XP whould take about a min for a computer like the xbox... and that's without boot loading...

anyway, this just my opinion, and i'm sleepy and dont know better

xp embedded is an instant on os too ive seen a full desktop athlon XP loaded with embedded on a hard drive(and yes b4 anyone thinks about it, embedded runs off a hard drive just as easily as it runs of a flashrom) and as i said ina post a while back you have no clue of the true power of windows until you have a customised XP embedded on a desktop. which is totally stripped of all the bullshit that M$ has on XP that is not needed.
Embedded will be on the desktop before your monitor is fully on.

and i was shocked to see CE come on so damn fast.
and i too have the High Def AV pack and CE works fine.

Gobsmacked!! That's all I can say. Totally Gobsmacked!!
Whist this beta is limited in functionality for the moment. I am sure that this will now change, and may I add at a surprising pace! I can only look forward to forthcoming develpoments.
When will you guys like Artifex ever cease to amaze me???
Respects.
Regards
Psi

so what exactly does CE run anyways,
i know tablet pc runs CE does pocket pc ?

if so ,, well if you know where to find it there is a Jan 2004 Pocket PC essentials set you can get
anyone suppose this will run,, given of course that pocket pc runs CE.

I read somewhere that it DOES run pocketpc apps.
However, the major problem I see is that almost all commercial software is distributed for one or more of the three major PocketPC cpu's: ARM, MIPS or SH3

Software for PocketPC CAN be compiled for x86 using the standard SDK, but the source code is needed. Therefore, in all probablility, only homebrew apps can run.

QUOTE (xbox junkie @ Jan 3 2004, 03:11 AM)

My XBox= 1.0 XBox ,NTSC ,HDTV pack ,UnleashX and Evox ,IGR OFF, X2=4979.67 1. CE.net has a virtual keyboard = True 2. The xbox HDTV pack works with CE.net = True (ive done it) 3. You Do not need a USB mouse Plugged in = True (tested) 4. Windows CE.Net doesnt support Forcus chip yet = Reports and Readme says no i cant test. We need to get it so the xbox controller doesnt crash CE.Net when it boots,  Mouse Cursor and Keyboard support, post more when i think of it i need some sleep two days and only 5 hours sleep

Thats strange then, my xbox is a 1.0 PAL (set as NTSC) HDAV Pack, EvolutionX Build 3935 (IGR OFF) M7 BIOS (G patched)

1 I wouldn't know if it has a OSKB, mine never booted
2 As i also have the HDAV Pack, i would have to say NO
3 I have a USB mouse, it doesn't make any difference if it's plugged in or not
4 Again i wouldn't know cuz mine is a 1.0, hence no focus chip.

So it would seem that very slight variations in ones config, sets off a nasty bug.

I hope the devs look into this and that the next version works, it's a great conecpt!