I sure wish they would reveal a few more details about this.

The 12-pin header on there looks like it might be a connection for a flash programmer, ala Matrix. Additionally, there is another connector on the side?? A simple BIOS selector (probably ties the A19 line low) and the adapter connector. On/Off and flash protection, which could be set up as external switches with a minimum of effort. Overall, a nice redesign, but the header has me very curious. Can this be externally programmed now?

Can somebody on the X2 team tell us?

It also looks like a nice finished board... I take it to mean the design is now (or will be shortly) rolling off the Chinese production lines?

the 12 pin header is not for a programmer
its for the lpc header (after you solder your male header to the board by taking the xbox mother board off (completely) and taking out the solder from the holes to do so)

wont a change like this cause more delays?

QUOTE (obiwan @ Nov 27 2002, 11:35 AM)

the 12 pin header is not for a programmer its for the lpc header (after you solder your male header to the board by taking the xbox mother board off (completely) and taking out the solder from the holes to do so) wont a change like this cause more delays?

I though that was what the thin white header was for... the "connection" adapter.

As for delays, obviously, it's delayed, it was supposed to be out this week.... however, what I see in the picture is a board that's ready to go. Assuming the changes were minor, and they've already produced a limited production prototype run, the delay would be minimal.

but is that a real chip? or a computer generated image?

I for one am hoping that IS for the male header on the LPC, I did that for my X1 installation and this will make it SO MUCH EASIER and stay nicely firm inside the xbox. please please let me it be so

how will the pogo pin adapter attatch to the chip?

QUOTE (Spies @ Nov 27 2002, 04:38 PM)

how will the pogo pin adapter attatch to the chip?

See the white conector on chip (on the bottom of the image)? That will hook up to some wires that are attached to the pogo pin adaptor.

i heard that with the 1.1 xbox you dont have to take the solder out of the LPC holes for the header because there is none, its already solder free.... is this true?

QUOTE (MrEs @ Nov 27 2002, 04:47 PM)

i heard that with the 1.1 xbox you dont have to take the solder out of the LPC holes for the header because there is none, its already solder free.... is this true?

Yes, there is a different adaptor you can get for these motherboards. I forget what they are called and was going to look it up on x-ecuter.com, but it is down...

MrEs - yes, it's true, although I've heard that some 1.1 boxes have the solder, every one I have seen or heard of (from people I actually know) has no solder.

QUOTE

Pin Header & Socket The LPC socket on the XBOX mainboard is actually designed to hold a row of pin headers so a simple adapter can be plugged onto it. On the majority of v1 consoles these holes are filled in with solder and need to be cleaned up with a solder pump and/or solder braid. However the v1.1 consoles LPC holes are not filled in so its very easy plug the header in and you're connected within minutes. Use of the pin header adapter with Xecuter has been a pet project of iMURDERER so we must give him credit for this device being added to our list of adapters.

That it?

QUOTE (Spies @ Nov 27 2002, 04:55 PM)

QUOTE Pin Header & Socket The LPC socket on the XBOX mainboard is actually designed to hold a row of pin headers so a simple adapter can be plugged onto it. On the majority of v1 consoles these holes are filled in with solder and need to be cleaned up with a solder pump and/or solder braid. However the v1.1 consoles LPC holes are not filled in so its very easy plug the header in and you're connected within minutes. Use of the pin header adapter with Xecuter has been a pet project of iMURDERER so we must give him credit for this device being added to our list of adapters. That it?

Yup

The new Xecuter 2 Lite design is sweet as can be. I preordered mine from Extreme-Mods.com
I would have gone for the Pro but I cant wait that long. lol Im not a very patient man.

God Bless the Xecuter team.

/me waits for a reputable UK reseller to start pre-orders

wonder if its gonna have similair allignment problems to the matrix while using the pogo pins

BenJeremy, I've been wondering about this too.

To me, the pic looks like a final - as in, they sent the new design off, and the chinese guys sent them some chips from a test run.

Sure does look neat and tidy. Nice design.

But that header.... is it for a programmer, or an LPC connection ? Neither makes much sense....

If it's for a programmer, then why get a Pro ? Surely you can coax this thing to do pretty much the same job...

If it's for the LPC, then why the extra connector? Why not just make the adaptors plug in to the header ?

And what IS the other (small) connection for? Is that where you wire up D0 perhaps ?

I'd love to know the answers.

Without a programmer connection how will you update the bios with later revisions? such as those that will fix IGR code?

One advantage of the Pro is still going to be the BIOS switching, right?

Ugh. Wish we knew for sure.

QUOTE (Canuck77 @ Nov 27 2002, 01:22 PM)

One advantage of the Pro is still going to be the BIOS switching, right? Ugh. Wish we knew for sure.

There is a BIOS jumper on this thing, obviously for switching between 1.0 and 1.1 BIOSes on the preloaded Lites, but there's no reason why you couldn;t flash the 1.1 side on a 1.0 box, for example, and use that by switching the jumper.

Unless the jumper disables an entire 512k bank, instead of simply flipping it.

something makes me think they've already thought about that and implemented something to prevent you from doing so, afterall, the multi bios is a selling point of the pro...

Oh god, this is the worst design that I expected to see,
from a team that has more time to work, than any other...

I thought that people love to see improvement in modchips,
user friendly designs in mini size.
This mod looks huge,
with connectors that can be found in old pc motherboards,
and belongs to the past...

I don't know about China production,
but here in Greece,
we produce the next generation modchips,
for your favorite Xbox!
(connectors: 1 mm pitch
thiknes: 0.08-0.3 mm
weight: 0.9 gr)

QUOTE (nasis x. @ Nov 27 2002, 05:14 PM)

Oh god, this is the worst design that I expected to see, from a team that has more time to work, than any other... I thought that people love to see improvement in modchips, user friendly designs in mini size. This mod looks huge, with connectors that can be found in old pc motherboards, and belongs to the past... I don't know about China production, but here in Greece, we produce the next generation modchips, for your favorite Xbox! (connectors: 1 mm pitch thiknes: 0.08-0.3 mm weight: 0.9 gr)

Oh boy. What joy. nasis x is here with his valued input about the superiority of Greek Mods.

What's this? Oh, it's an objective review of nasis x's Lucifer modchip for the PS2.

While you all are there, look around to see how highly regarded he is there.

QUOTE (nasis x. @ Nov 27 2002, 09:14 PM)

Oh god, this is the worst design that I expected to see, from a team that has more time to work, than any other... I thought that people love to see improvement in modchips, user friendly designs in mini size. This mod looks huge, with connectors that can be found in old pc motherboards, and belongs to the past... I don't know about China production, but here in Greece, we produce the next generation modchips, for your favorite Xbox! (connectors: 1 mm pitch thiknes: 0.08-0.3 mm weight: 0.9 gr)

Can we see a picture of your next-gen modchip? I can't pics of your X-elixis anywhere. What's going to be better about it? All I see on your website are definitions, with no facts. I'm not bashing, I just want to know the facts.

Duff.... poke around at the help-forums.com forums and you'll get a good dose of what the PS2 crowd thinks of Nasis X.

QUOTE (duff @ Nov 27 2002, 10:23 PM)

QUOTE Can we see a picture of your next-gen modchip?  I can't pics of your X-elixis anywhere.  What's going to be better about it?  All I see on your website are definitions, with no facts.  I'm not bashing, I just want to know the facts.

Samples are expecting to arrive on Saturday,
from our manifacturers in Italy.
I can hardly wait till this moment,
as the gadget expected to be better than I can imagine.

If you are looking for facts,
then a special designed flexible pcb,
with diferent thikness alonge it's length,
is something that is true!
The minimum thikness is 0.08 mm,
that will spead up the installation.

Plug&Play technology is used,
to select the exact Plug In you want to use,
will extansions are on development.
So the first external mod will be X-elixis,
according to our plans.

Anyway, about Lusifer mod,
it is our final design for PS2,
and works with all models, even with future versions...
This will be one of the basic features of X-elixis,
which is our final design for Xbox!

QUOTE (Spies @ Nov 27 2002, 05:16 PM)

Without a programmer connection how will you update the bios with later revisions? such as those that will fix IGR code?

You can flash it from EvoX. Xecuter team already said this.

Nasi-x, this mod isn't going to be huge, openxbox was huge. This thing is tiny. You can measure the size based on the female header.

In all honesty, i think they should never release the lite version and just go with the pro version as XecuterII.

I think the majority of people will be getting the Pro version.....

QUOTE (nasis x. @ Nov 27 2002, 09:14 PM)

Oh god, this is the worst design that I expected to see, from a team that has more time to work, than any other... I thought that people love to see improvement in modchips, user friendly designs in mini size. This mod looks huge, with connectors that can be found in old pc motherboards, and belongs to the past... I don't know about China production, but here in Greece, we produce the next generation modchips, for your favorite Xbox! (connectors: 1 mm pitch thiknes: 0.08-0.3 mm weight: 0.9 gr)

all you fucking idiots do at grmods is COPY other peoples shit

everyone knows it

NO ONE respects you - you post on forums like you are some geniuses - YOU DO NOTHING you are even worse than the Xodus team - at least they dont post their stupid bullshit everywhere. I really do think you beleive your own dumbass hype

you shame greece - you make all greeks look like complete morons - thinking that we beleive you stupid ass rubbish

and you say its huge LOL - the thing is about 1 1/2 inches squared you moron

grmods - the WORST mod copiers that we have EVER seen

QUOTE (nasis x. @ Nov 27 2002, 10:18 PM)

QUOTE (duff @ Nov 27 2002, 10:23 PM) QUOTE Can we see a picture of your next-gen modchip?  I can't pics of your X-elixis anywhere.  What's going to be better about it?  All I see on your website are definitions, with no facts.  I'm not bashing, I just want to know the facts. Samples are expecting to arrive on Saturday, from our manifacturers in Italy. I can hardly wait till this moment, as the gadget expected to be better than I can imagine. If you are looking for facts, then a special designed flexible pcb, with diferent thikness alonge it's length, is something that is true! The minimum thikness is 0.08 mm, that will spead up the installation. Plug&Play technology is used, to select the exact Plug In you want to use, will extansions are on development. So the first external mod will be X-elixis, according to our plans. Anyway, about Lusifer mod, it is our final design for PS2, and works with all models, even with future versions... This will be one of the basic features of X-elixis, which is our final design for Xbox!

you have designed NOTHING

first you rip off neo2 code and call it some stupid name

first then you make stupid no solder swap chips for ps2 - again copys

then you make some stupid ass copy of the enigmah - using the xilinx plcc - which was BETA code and you didnt even know it cus you were that stupid

then you have the magic ps2 codes and you call them your own design - and the magic3 code you have is a beta also you idiots

i cant wait to see what you bring out for xbox - who wants to bet that evox and xecuter with a combined effort do a nice crc checksum on the hardware you use so it fucks up

and you think that can't be done

hahaha yeah ok

QUOTE (nasis x. @ Nov 27 2002, 03:18 PM)

If you are looking for facts, : Plug&Play technology is used, to select the exact Plug In you want to use, will extansions are on development. So the first external mod will be X-elixis, according to our plans. : Anyway, about Lusifer mod, it is our final design for PS2, and works with all models, even with future versions... This will be one of the basic features of X-elixis, which is our final design for Xbox!

Bwahhh... huh?

I don't mean to make fun of your English Nasis... but I can't make heads of tails out of what you're saying.

Plug&Play technology?? Huh? Why would I need P&P on a mod chip?? So I can automatically download drivers??

External modchip?? Can you explain that one a little bit?

QUOTE (biosboy @ Nov 27 2002, 04:37 PM)

NO ONE respects you - you post on forums like you are some geniuses - YOU DO NOTHING you are even worse than the Xodus team - at least they dont post their stupid bullshit everywhere. I really do think you beleive your own dumbass hype

Kettle... meet pot... pot, this is kettle

le-whooo-se-herr

QUOTE (obiwan @ Nov 27 2002, 08:35 AM)

the 12 pin header is not for a programmer its for the lpc header (after you solder your male header to the board by taking the xbox mother board off (completely) and taking out the solder from the holes to do so) wont a change like this cause more delays?

Change? What change? They've been talking about the socket adapter since day 1, no?

I'm not convinced that's what the 12 pin is for, though. Since it's being sold without the adapter straight away, there's gotta be some other way to connect the adapters.

Dunno.

QUOTE (steinola @ Nov 27 2002, 11:44 PM)

QUOTE (biosboy @ Nov 27 2002, 04:37 PM) NO ONE respects you - you post on forums like you are some geniuses - YOU DO NOTHING you are even worse than the Xodus team - at least they dont post their stupid bullshit everywhere. I really do think you beleive your own dumbass hype Kettle... meet pot... pot, this is kettle

im sorry am i here selling mods saying ive copied something and its the best shit ever invented

take your head out of your ass man

X-elixis philosophy.
I guess that you all heard about the release of X-elixis for Xbox.

I am not gonna talk you about the features of GRmods newest design,
as nowdays all current mods, can accoplish the most of them.

But I am gonna talk you about X-elixis philosophy,
after I represent GRmods contribution to the console scene.

Lusifer mod is the 1st Plug&Play mod for PS2,
that totally defeated Play$tation 2 coding system.
100% legal product

Lusifer full is the 1st Plug&Solder mod,
that totally defeated Play$tation 2 coding system,
providing support to other hacking teams (dvd-rips).

X-elixis the 1st Flexible Interconnection with Xbox.
100% legal product

Working with Plug&Play and Plug&Solder solutions,
we always have in mind user friendly installation,
with minimum required wires to solder.

Having always the Quality in our minds,
we never try to minimize the cost,
but we always use the proper parts in our designs.

About copying other people designs,
no we don't do this,
but we try to improve the existant solutions,
bringing you first the best quality products.

QUOTE (nasis x. @ Nov 28 2002, 10:43 AM)

X-elixis philosophy. I guess that you all heard about the release of X-elixis for Xbox. I am not gonna talk you about the features of GRmods newest design, as nowdays all current mods, can accoplish the most of them. But I am gonna talk you about X-elixis philosophy, after I represent GRmods contribution to the console scene. Lusifer mod is the 1st Plug&Play mod for PS2, that totally defeated Play$tation 2 coding system. 100% legal product Lusifer full is the 1st Plug&Solder mod, that totally defeated Play$tation 2 coding system, providing support to other hacking teams (dvd-rips). X-elixis the 1st Flexible Interconnection with Xbox. 100% legal product Working with Plug&Play and Plug&Solder solutions, we always have in mind user friendly installation, with minimum required wires to solder. Having always the Quality in our minds, we never try to minimize the cost, but we always use the proper parts in our designs. About copying other people designs, no we don't do this, but we try to improve the existant solutions, bringing you first the best quality products.

lucifer was NOT the first plug and play mod

it was NOT legal you asshole - any mod on the ps2 is illegal (except australia heheh)

i know who you guys are and what you've done in the past - nobody is fooled by your bullshit here

you're banned from every other forum for this exact same bullshit

can u please define "plug and play"
does it auto-install the drivers for you or something?

QUOTE (obiwan @ Nov 27 2002, 03:35 PM)

the 12 pin header is not for a programmer its for the lpc header (after you solder your male header to the board by taking the xbox mother board off (completely) and taking out the solder from the holes to do so) wont a change like this cause more delays?

do you really have to take the solder out of the holes? cant u just solder the Header on TOP of the LPC?
if u can, why wouldnt u just do that?

see the news on this site, or x-ecuter.com for explanation of all the connections.

QUOTE (MrEs @ Nov 28 2002, 08:31 AM)

QUOTE (obiwan @ Nov 27 2002, 03:35 PM) the 12 pin header is not for a programmer its for the lpc header (after you solder your male header to the board by taking the xbox mother board off (completely) and taking out the solder from the holes to do so) wont a change like this cause more delays? do you really have to take the solder out of the holes? cant u just solder the Header on TOP of the LPC? if u can, why wouldnt u just do that?

Actually, the v1.1 Xboxes don't have solder filling the LPC holes like the earlier V1s.

I think M$ did that to defeat pogopins.... Bwwahhh haahh hahhh hahhh!!

X-ecutor 2 news!

Yeah.... sounds pretty good so far.

Explains a lot of the things we've bene discussing here.

...to save many people the trouble of reading through it, here's the news we all wanted to see:

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One final note is this. It has been of some concern that if you programmed the mod with the wrong flash, or you made a mistake that it would kill the mod. Yes this is true but this is why its called LITE with less features and a much cheaper price. Most of you won't attempt to flash this anyway, and you should always be careful when doing so. However, we are designing an addon cable that will simply plug into the PIN HEADER BLOCK ( where you can program from your PC much similar to the PRO version. This will not be available yet and will not be supplied with the mods. This will be an add-on cable (which we will probably release as HOMEBREW for free - similar version of cheaplpc but designed for 1MB flash) for those that have had an accident. I hope this makes some of you happy
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That should clear everything up. So yes - you can make your mod unusable, but in the future, there will be a cable you can make to reflash it yourself so it will never have to be THROWN AWAY.

Good news - and it makes the Lite a very viable product indeed. Hope Xodus modifies their modchip comparison table.