Why do so many people pick on the X-Ecuter? Here is what I have gathered, and my thoughts. Please feel free to correct me, or provide input.

<1. You can't flash the BIOS.>

Me: Does it matter, when the BIOS the chip has on it supports everything you need? (Except for those of you, who, for some reason, have to install EvoX on your HD, and you want to boot it as yboxdash.xbe to avoid problems with Xbox Live)

<2. The connector concept is flawed.>

Me: Who in their right mind would try to solder this to their MoBo using the intended install method? Are you kidding me! I was going to wire it up before I read the first post on this site about that... If you soldered this thing onto your board directly, just because it seemed "easy to install", I don't even know what to say...

<3. You have to know how to solder.>

Me: Please! Soldering takes 5 minutes to learn the concept. By now, you should now how to find a web tutorial that will give you every piece of information you need. If not, dust off your library card! You can practice on some scrap for 10 minutes and be good enough to do this. The only wire difficult to attach is the little biotch that hooks on the board, all alone, isolated, awaiting your silvery wire to bypass the onboard BIOS... With a steady hand, and patience, it will not give you trouble. (If you use illegal narcotics on a regular basis (for example, crack or heroine), disregard this, as you cannot stay still long enough to solder a wire...)

<4. It only works on a V1 XBox.>

Me: Screw the V1.1 XBox! It is a POS. MicroCrap (M$) took parts out of the V1 to save money, not make it better! Don't you like fans cooling your system? Get a V1, even if you have to buy a used one from ebgames.

Am I missing something? Is their something else this card CANNOT do that I, or anyone else, really need or want?

Is their a good reason for X-Ecuter people to buy the new X-Ecuter? Everything I have seen so far gives me the same features, just a new connector...

Ah well... I think most people copped an attitude towards the X-ecutor when they promised a "1-wire mod" and delivered exactly that... but not what people expected, since they still had to solder blobs in.

Can't please all the people all the time, and that stunt cost them a lot of brownie points with people.

yea id have to agree with that

Not to mention that some people just hate that team. They do good work (usually), but they're pretty immature at times.

Still new to these forums, so I haven't seen the immaturity mentioned on a firsthand basis as of yet... I have heard of this coming up before though, so I am begining to think that they very well could be "jerks" at times...

Ahh Yes, the "blobs". Well put! I have to agree with that too! It said one wire, but didn't really promote you had 10+ solder points! Sort of false advertising... It didn't damage my opinion of the product, however.

To add to the list (and kudos for making this the best discussion of this subject I've seen), Team X said something (I don't know what the exact statement was, nor the timing) that led some people to expect that a programmer would be made available and that it would be possible to (easily) flash the Xecuter.

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Am I missing something? Is their something else this card CANNOT do that I, or anyone else, really need or want? Is their a good reason for X-Ecuter people to buy the new X-Ecuter? Everything I have seen so far gives me the same features, just a new connector...

In short, no, if you're happy with your X-ecuter, there's no reason for you to buy an X-ecuter2. While some of the new features are good ones (flashable, multibios), most are either window dressing (connectors, connectors, connectors) or are really BIOS features available to anyone with a flashable mod with sufficient capacity (in game reset, any of the others that are yet-to-be released).

MC

Didn't know that! I never new they made a commitment to making it easily flashable. I have seen some tutorials on flashing an X-Ecuter, but you have to make a homeade adapter, etc...

I don't need Multibios, I think. Why would I need to boot multiple BIOS versions? Isn't one BIOS, with all the features, enough? Why have 4 different BIOS loads, and have to switch between them?

I will say the only good thing I've heard about the X-Ecuter2 is that it is easily flashable, from the LPC. Right now it doesn't really make a difference, but in the future, if M$ does something, you could update your BIOS on the chip, rather than buy a new mod... Let's pray that doesn't happen!

Most of the people that bash on Xecuter never used one in the first place...

xecuter never once said they would make a flash update tool

they said they may look at it - instead they decided to completely revamp the mod itself

and i have no idea where all this "immaturity" bullshit comes from ??

All ive seen is xecuter sticking up fro themselves when they were being bitched at - and that was like 3 months ago.

All ive seen recently is a solid site giving solid information - and they dont post anywhere for anyone to have this false impression of them

I talk to one of the Xecyter guys onluine and hes very helpful and keeps me up to date

so all of you who bash them - you have zero reason to and are just following the lame crowd - get your own opinions from facts as well as getting a life.

QUOTE (Merle Corey @ Dec 5 2002, 08:10 AM)

most are either window dressing (connectors, connectors, connectors)

I totally disagree

The connectors are there to give ALL users a choice of how they can connect the mod to the mainboard. It its 100% consumer based and I applaud them for it

Better than forcing the customer to connect 1 way only and having to pay extra for it - dont you agree ?

QUOTE (KazuyaWaruasobi @ Dec 4 2002, 09:27 PM)

Not to mention that some people just hate that team. They do good work (usually), but they're pretty immature at times.

2 things i'd like to touch on

you say they do good work (mostly)

which bit of enigmah / xecuter1 / xecuter2 / dvdx1 / dvdx2 was the bit that warranted you saying (mostly)

and secondly - immature at times. You make it sound like you are best pals with them and read their personal comments every day. Don't just say that - give us facts. You can't - know why ? there aint any. The last flame I saw on their site was 3 months ago. If thast the best you can come with then DAMN boy that is weak !

Wow. Quite a response from Sonic-Iso. Thanks for your input. You are the first to "stick up" for the X-Ecuter guys. This is why I started this post... I want to find out why people bash them. I have no reason to yet. So far the X-Ecuter mod I purchased is working, and has all the options that I need.

To date, I have not been treated negatively, or even seen negative things from them... Anyone have any link to "examples" of what is expected from this team? (good posts, bad posts, etc.)

And for the connectors, I agree. I like having the options!

I don't have any problems with the X-ecuter, I think it's great, took 5 minutes to install and it works great.
If there is any future issues (ie non-flashable) I'll buy another chip, so far my X-ecuter has saved me loads of money, and for that I thank them
Ben

I think the animosity towards them is mostly because of all the shit talking they started with the Xodus team. I don't have any problem with them and if my matrix shifts in the next 2 months and I have to realign it, I'll just upgrade to a x-ecuter2 pro.

What I find funny is that they bash the Xodus chip for only being 256k when they don't even have a 1 mb chip on the market yet.

So would everyone agree that most people that have a problem, have sed problem with "Team X-Ecuter", and not the X-Ecuter mod-chip? That seems to be the trend developing...

I didn't have any problem with the chips either - I installed 2 of them into friends machines and they worked great ( I think they were Xecuter clones though since I did buy them from Hacker's Hardware) But it seems to me now the best option is to use your Matrix and do a TSOP flash with it. I just used that method on my Xbox along with two of my friend's. That means no more money spent on chips, 1MB Bios capability, and extra money for installs since you don't have to buy the chips anymore but the install price stays the same.. Not to mention you don't have to worry about the Matrix becoming misaligned--Well another reason to go that route now is that In Game Reset (IGR) is just tooooo nice of a feature. Xecuter-team are just too damn cool - they gave us that bios for absolutely nothing.. How could anyone bash them?
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PS2/NTSC/V4/GAP
Magic 3

PS2/NTSC/V1
Neo 2.2 / Gameshark v1.1

Xbox/NTSC/V1
TSOP flashed with Xecuter 2 4973 Using MATRIX
Evox beta v1.8.2812 dash
80GB WDBB HD

Verbatim 481248AL / Verbatim Datalife Plus 48x media
burn everything at 48x no probs

Pioneer A05 (on the way)

I'm with Weasel here...

phatty Bios-- free.
IGR-- free.
Playing backups/imports-- free.

Pissing off the goons at M$-- priceless.

If you don't like the Xecutor stuff, get something else-- it's just that simple!

B

ps-- of course, don't listen to me-- I'm running a homebrewed cheapmod

A X1->X2 updgrade is only really worth it if:

You want IGR

You want noani,bluemod,etc

You want debug bios and nondebug bios

You want near future compatability - be prepeared

You want to boot with renamed dashboards

Linux Bios

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Tired. Cant think of any more.

QUOTE (sonic-iso @ Dec 5 2002, 10:26 AM)

The connectors are there to give ALL users a choice of how they can connect the mod to the mainboard. It its 100% consumer based and I applaud them for it

What I think is really cool is that they're shipping with all 3 connector options, and possibly raising awareness of some (headers!) that would otherwise skate below the radar of the average Joe. That said, it's still window dressing. At the end of the day, anyone who has any preference about connectors will implement them the way they want, even without bundling all the options. I was planning on doing exactly that before the bundle was announced - I saw no reason to pay extra for a special header adapter when I could make my own for under $1.

To put it differently: Yeah, it's nice, but it's not a compelling reason to buy a new mod if you're happy with your old mod (which is, in fact, the exact context I made the statement in the first place). Connector options aren't a reason to buy a mod (at least not to me), they're just a bonus or downside (*cough* pogos *cough*) of selecting a particular mod. It'd be like making the decision of which of two cars to buy based on how many gallons of gas the tank holds - it's a consideration once you own it, but it shouldn't heavily influence your purchase decision unless there's something fundamentally wrong with it.

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Better than forcing the customer to connect 1 way only and having to pay extra for it - dont you agree ?

I'm not really clear on this. I'm guessing it's a Matrix dig, since the Matrix is a cheapmod with $20ish worth of pogos attached, but I could be wrong. Either way, X-ecuter is also bundling the pogos in their suggested price - doesn't that expose them to similar scrutiny? Especially since not everyone will be using the pogo adapter? (It's a legitmate question, and I'm asking it in all sincerity - we've only seen "bundled" pricing, not pricing on individual chips/adapters, so it's not really clear what the cost breakdown is.)

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xecuter never once said they would make a flash update tool

For the record, I neither like nor dislike Team X-ecuter (don't know 'em), the X-ecuter 1 (don't have it), the X-ecuter 2 (ain't out yet), or really, much of anything or anyone else in the scene. I pointed out the flash thing specifically because the question was asked why people bash X-ecuter - I never said it was a valid reason to bash X-ecuter.

Of course, all this talk about them being jerks and immature isn't really fair either. I've yet to see anything from the scene to convince me that there's an overwhelming amount of maturity anywhere in it (and I include myself in that statement), so I don't really see why Team X-ecuter should be singled out for acting like everyone else.



MC

Personally, I chose an enigmah over X-ecuter, Matrix, Xtender, and all the other mods because I could flash my TSOP with it then install it on another XBOX and lash the tsop of that one for $$$. The X-ecuter team are good and you are missing the entire point about that flash upgrade tool that they said they would look at. the X-ecuter team said that it would be a whole NEW mod, and that it would not work on the X-ecuter1. This is why I got an enigmah, not that the X-ecuter1 is bad, its actually a really good mod in my opinion, I actually almost bought that instead, and I my friends brother might get one, and Ill install it for $40 (Canadian $$$), or an Enigmah Installation + TSOP Flash for $100 which is REALLY good (compared to the guy 30mins from my house that installs a homebrew chip and prolly flashes the tsop, for $190 Canadian, now thats bad.)

Although I think that the X2Lite and X2Pro will be VERY GOOD. I Somehow feel that all those n00bs are gonna fuck up the no solder install alot and they're gonna be wondering why the crap their XBOX's are flashing orange and red (from no A/V Pack ) and they're ALL gonna say X-ecuter suck, once again, I know some flaming is gonna be brought on them about a week after the initial release date. I still think they are a GREAT team and I cant wait for the neXgen dash

QUOTE (M@verick @ Dec 5 2002, 01:44 PM)

What I find funny is that they bash the Xodus chip for only being 256k when they don't even have a 1 mb chip on the market yet.

This is where im lost totally

where is the bashing ?

where do they bash ??

The only bashing ive seen is actually on the XODUS page - that stupidly funny comparison chart they put to try and ridicule the xecuter

I dont see any bashing at all from xecuter - everyone talks about this - but their isnt any - its the FANS that bash not the team. Here lies the problem you all associate 3what the fans say to what xecuter themselves say.

I would agree that most peoples opinions of X-Ecuter are being forged by these forums, and other posts. That is why I think this thread is coming along nicely. I think we are pretty much covering all of the angles...

Isn't it interesting how I started the post talking about the X-Ecuter mod-chip, and the people that don't like it, but we are now focusing on Team X-Ecuter?

QUOTE (sonic-iso @ Dec 6 2002, 08:48 AM)

where is the bashing ? where do they bash ??

You're exactly right. There isn't any bashing. There's been a fair amount of trolling, though, and that's straight off the (currently defunct) x-ecuter.com site. They have, on several occasions, made passing remarks, the gist of which being that Team Xodus lacks the l33t skillz to make a real (ie 1MB) mod.

(Which, until I see any evidence to the contrary, seems to be a fair assessment. Slapping pogos on a cheapmod might arguably be an evolutionary change, but it's certainly not a revolutionary one. They had a good idea (or borrowed one), yes, and they had the added benefit of a near-monopoly on flashable mods for a few months, but the real test is going to be seeing if they do anything like releasing a 1MB mod now that they're not the only game in town, or implementing any BIOS hacks of their own. Taking credit for being able to run EvoX's and/or X-ecuter's hacks (which Team Xodus has done repeatedly) absolutely does not count.)

Where most people get the bashing idea from is that Team X-ecuter isn't at all shy about being a little snide and/or getting their digs in against the clueless and the flamers. It's a far cry from bashing, though, and speaking as someone who spends a fair amount of time being snide and getting digs in, it's pretty entertaining too.

That, and the number of fake X-ecuter members that cropped up a month or two ago - they spent a lot of time bashing a lot of people, and most people never really paid attention to the fact that it wasn't actually Team X-ecuter.

MC

Just installed my new bought executer (v1.1) on my v1.0 xbox using the pin header method, and it works great! I have no complaints with team x-ecuter

I don't like how team Xecuter tries to profit off of the scene by delaying the v1.1 compatible BIOS by 4 weeks only to hinder Matrix sales, only so their chip will sell better when its released. Don't get me wrong, I've preordered an Xecuter 2 Pro, but I'm only saying what I'm seeing.

Also, I didn't like how they had misleading charts on their website originally, when the PC-BIOXX, Matrix, and Xecuter 2's features all depended on the BIOS loaded with it.

Also, there is bashing going on, anyone who doesn't see that is blind.

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NOTE: We will also release a 256k version 1.1 BIOS with COMPLETE features of X2. However future updates will be on the 512k as its bursting at the seems as it is and we want to look fowards and not backwards. This will also give other mod makers like Xodus/Matrix time to update their hardware to 512/1MB - as i'm sure they don't like encouraging their users to flash onboard bios's and risking hundreds of damaged xbox's in the process.

FART

QUOTE (ZildjianKX @ Dec 7 2002, 05:44 AM)

I don't like how team Xecuter tries to profit off of the scene by delaying the v1.1 compatible BIOS by 4 weeks only to hinder Matrix sales, only so their chip will sell better when its released.

If they really wanted to hurt matrix sales, why not just delay the 1.1 bios till the x-ecuter 2 is released, and only release 512k/1mb bios?

I Love Team Xecuter

Matrix w/Xecuter2(4973)

In Game Reset

So Nice, Thanks Guys

Can someone do something about AgentHalo? All of his posts have been "spam"...

QUOTE (Merle Corey @ Dec 6 2002, 05:55 PM)

QUOTE (sonic-iso @ Dec 6 2002, 08:48 AM) where is the bashing ? where do they bash ?? You're exactly right. There isn't any bashing. There's been a fair amount of trolling, though, and that's straight off the (currently defunct) x-ecuter.com site. They have, on several occasions, made passing remarks, the gist of which being that Team Xodus lacks the l33t skillz to make a real (ie 1MB) mod. (Which, until I see any evidence to the contrary, seems to be a fair assessment. Slapping pogos on a cheapmod might arguably be an evolutionary change, but it's certainly not a revolutionary one. They had a good idea (or borrowed one), yes, and they had the added benefit of a near-monopoly on flashable mods for a few months, but the real test is going to be seeing if they do anything like releasing a 1MB mod now that they're not the only game in town, or implementing any BIOS hacks of their own. Taking credit for being able to run EvoX's and/or X-ecuter's hacks (which Team Xodus has done repeatedly) absolutely does not count.) Where most people get the bashing idea from is that Team X-ecuter isn't at all shy about being a little snide and/or getting their digs in against the clueless and the flamers. It's a far cry from bashing, though, and speaking as someone who spends a fair amount of time being snide and getting digs in, it's pretty entertaining too. That, and the number of fake X-ecuter members that cropped up a month or two ago - they spent a lot of time bashing a lot of people, and most people never really paid attention to the fact that it wasn't actually Team X-ecuter. MC

There's nothing wrong with trying to build up hype for their product. After all, they are in business to make money. Seems they're always trying to improve upon the mistakes made in the past, whether it's copying or getting ideas from other players. I see nothing wrong with that. It just means better mods for us.

QUOTE (sonic-iso @ Dec 6 2002, 07:48 AM)

This is where im lost totally where is the bashing ? where do they bash ?? The only bashing ive seen is actually on the XODUS page - that stupidly funny comparison chart they put to try and ridicule the xecuter I dont see any bashing at all from xecuter - everyone talks about this - but their isnt any - its the FANS that bash not the team. Here lies the problem you all associate 3what the fans say to what xecuter themselves say.

Exactly right, sonic... this is what I've seen too.
Team X-ecuter doesn't bash (they've been snide and sarcastic at times, I've seen... but that's been the extent of it). It's definitely the fanboys that bash.

But... that being said... the subject of this post is "why do people hate the X-ecuter"... not "why do people hate Team X-ecutor". If you follow that to it's logical conclusion... a lot of people hate the X-ecuter solely because the fanboys are such a nuisance. Sad, but true.

Same can be said for fanboys of MatriX, or just about any other mod.

Seems to me that the moral of the story is that, if you're really a fan of a particular modchip, and want to convince people of it's virtue, the best way is to answer questions forthrightly and be as helpful in these forums as possible... instead of always responding with "why would you ever what to install that POS MatriX chip?" or "The X-ecuter is far-and-away the best chip on the market"... with no facts or supporting discussion to back it up.

QUOTE (Meep @ Dec 9 2002, 02:25 AM)

There's nothing wrong with trying to build up hype for their product. After all, they are in business to make money. Seems they're always trying to improve upon the mistakes made in the past, whether it's copying or getting ideas from other players. I see nothing wrong with that. It just means better mods for us.

...

Ok, you make a perfectly valid point, but I've gotta ask: Were you responding to something I said? You quoted my entire post, but I can't figure out what in it you might be responding to. I left marketing out of it, although it did cross my mind at one point to bring up the way the X2 is being superhyped. But as you say, there's nothing really wrong with it and it's not like they're the only ones on the hype bandwagon.

MC

I believe that the superhyping is being conducted by the resellers and the fans. This as stated earlier is also the source of 99% of the animosity. All I've seen from Team Xecuter is pretty much if you want to buy our chip buy it, if not don't.

I have chosen to buy the Lite because I like what they have done for the scene and are trying to do for the future of it. Pushing people to install with the pin header adapter in order to simplify future upgrades, regardless of manufacturer, is a tremendous step forward. And should I decide to upgrade to the Pro it will be as simple as plug, flash, and play.

To me this is much more logical than paying $20 extra for the pogo pin concept that seems to cause some people more frustration than it's worth. As I have violent tendencies I believe that after 30 min. of trying to align the Matrix or X2 you would find my X-box on E-bay listed as broken or just scattered across the neighborhood .

xbox V1.1 may be cheaper to manufacture but it reads cdr !
so i would buy (in fact i bought a v1.1)

I am trying to figure out what the V1.0 and V1.1 XBoxes have to do with the X-Ecuter mod-chip, or Team X-Ecuter...

He's just refering to your bashing of the 1.1 in your first post.

I wonder if his is bastardized like mine.

QUOTE (lanfeust333 @ Dec 10 2002, 02:33 PM)

xbox V1.1 may be cheaper to manufacture but it reads cdr ! so i would buy (in fact i bought a v1.1)

this is a 100% false statement

SOME v1.1 in the USA have samsung drives which have ben reported to run CDR

MOST v1.1's have the phillips drive which dont

My piece of shit 1.1 has a phillips and it at least reads music cdrs.

We'll see in a couple of weeks if it also reads data.

People hate the X-ecutor because it's not 3D.

...and it doesn't smell like ass when you open the box. Greek modchippers know that everybody likes the smell of ass.

Damn. It's been so long since I read my original post, I forgot wtf i said! (the newbie in me showing through?) Anyway, I still think the V1.0 is better. The Samsung DVD drive in the V1.1 would be nice to have, I definately want one, but I would rather have the GPU fan. I like fans, you should see my PC case!

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People hate the X-ecutor because it's not 3D.

This one is way over my head. It's not 3D? Sorry, lost me... I will try to find a tutorial or another post which goes into detail about the lack of 3D on the X-Ecuter.

QUOTE (feflicker @ Dec 11 2002, 02:36 AM)

QUOTE People hate the X-ecutor because it's not 3D. This one is way over my head. It's not 3D? Sorry, lost me... I will try to find a tutorial or another post which goes into detail about the lack of 3D on the X-Ecuter.

Don't worry about this, he's referring to somebody else. I bet that somebody will post something here real soon, if he hadn't already. Hey Ben, I wanna see the 3D glasses again LOL. No need to repost though.

And I was sure I would find more details about 3D mod-chips on google