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JaredC01
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Edit: All new diagram.

Thanks to L33 for the VGA diagram.


Edit by deadparrot 10/9/08: Image re-hosted.
epsilon9090
How could you get s-video output?
spillage
Nice little diagram JaredC01. Add 'S' video for all the connection though so everyone can see everything. beerchug.gif
JaredC01
Done cool.gif.
maxpowe2120
im confused on the need for all the switches. right now i have the coaxial audio output mod done from the tutorial. Now lets say i want to add svideo and the component video outputs. would i still need the switches? Also, will i still need to have the standard xbox av cable plugged in?
spillage
beerchug.gif JaredC01 Nice. beerchug.gif

maxpowe2120, all AV cables for the XBOX use a combination of jumper cables in the AVIP plug to instruct the video encoder (Conexant, Xacaliber, Focus) as to what type of output to enable for the particular cable type. By making your own custom output sockets you still have to instruct the encoder. By using the three switches you are effectively cloning the job of the AVIP plug. Different switch combinations, setup a 3 bit binary instruction for the encoder.

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Ignore the line marked "Output" This has nothing to do with the AVIP or encoder but is necassary for my tutorial.

The three switches are representing Pins 9(Mode 1),11(Mode 2) and 13(Mode 3). The combination of binary inputs to the encoder provides the pout formats you require to drive the sockets you install.

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JaredC01
Thanks.

maxpowe2120:

Spillage said it all...
maxpowe2120
but what about s video. i do not see anything about using s video with digital sound. also do you know where i can purchase an s video jack and compent video jacks?

ps: On the tutorial for coax audio, the pins used are different then the ones shown in your diagram? whats up with that?
epsilon9090
Is there any easy way to get vga output like this or do you need to have resistors and stuff? I can use a pixel8 bios, that is no problem.
maxpowe2120
bump
xerxes3rd
Would it be possible to add optical to this configuration? If so, how would it be done?
xerxes3rd
QUOTE (maxpowe2120 @ May 15 2004, 06:15 AM)
but what about s video. i do not see anything about using s video with digital sound. also do you know where i can purchase an s video jack and compent video jacks?

ps: On the tutorial for coax audio, the pins used are different then the ones shown in your diagram? whats up with that?

Assuming you're talking about the Digital Output tutorial by DataBitz, I think the Digital Output tutorial used different grounding pins, but I believe the data pin (pin 6 on this diagram, I think) is common between both this diagram and the tutorial. It seems like every tutorial/diagram released uses different pin numbering schemes.
tsaavik
for those who did the P-2-Z's Guide to Modding your XBOX for advanced A/V here is the relationship between his pinout labeling and the one above:

The number in () is p2z's labeling, the number to the right is the label numbering above.

CODE

( 5) 10 digital audio ground
( 3)  6 digital audio +
(18-chassis) 11-chassis mode2 + to chasis ground

(11) 22 Svideo Y+
(12) 21 Svideo Y-
(22) 19 Svideo C+
(21) 20 Svideo C-

These map VERY strangly
(17-6) 12-9 MODE1?
(17-5) 12-10 MODE2?
grungy-gamer
-i've bee looking at various tutorials and faqs over the past few days, and i finally came up with a diagram for what i want to do.

user posted image


can someone tell me if this is correct and if it would work right?

also, JaredC01, you said that the component only works in high def mode. does that mean, that unless i have an HD tv, i won't get an image, or what? because i've run component video on my set through a high definition pack before with no problems.
Dan Wysocki
Ok, I did this mod today to add the red and white audio on the back of me box, and its ok, but the problem im getting is if i plug the red and white in (at the same time) i only get output on one channel, when i plug them in sperately, i get audio output from both channels, wtf is goin on?? I still have my standard cable connected, is that whats causing the problem? Can I not get audio from both the back ports aswell as the standard cable?
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rastareaper
i want to put component inputs on the back of my xbox for better pic quality but i dont have a hdtv television. can you still use component for 480i, or does it have to be 480p+?
timeisntreal
QUOTE (grungy-gamer @ May 28 2004, 05:05 AM)
also, JaredC01, you said that the component only works in high def mode. does that mean, that unless i have an HD tv, i won't get an image, or what? because i've run component video on my set through a high definition pack before with no problems.

no no, he means that you need the mode on which enables out put on RGB/YPrPb
timeisntreal
QUOTE (rastareaper @ May 31 2004, 04:00 AM)
i want to put component inputs on the back of my xbox for better pic quality but i dont have a hdtv television. can you still use component for 480i, or does it have to be 480p+?

the xbox will out put 480i/p + 720p + 1080i

So yes it will do what you ask
yosomono99
Somebody else asked about it but i never saw an answer.

What about VGA from the RGB?
JaredC01
I haven't been watching this thread very much, sorry.

QUOTE (yasomono99)
Somebody else asked about it but i never saw an answer.

What about VGA from the RGB?


You can hook up VGA, but you would have to have the sync seperator, which you can build.
JaredC01
QUOTE (maxpowe2120 @ May 14 2004, 11:15 PM)
but what about s video. i do not see anything about using s video with digital sound. also do you know where i can purchase an s video jack and compent video jacks?

ps: On the tutorial for coax audio, the pins used are different then the ones shown in your diagram? whats up with that?

For digital sound with S-Video, switches 1, and 2 need to be on (Advanced Pack).
JaredC01
QUOTE (xerxes3rd @ May 21 2004, 06:47 AM)
Would it be possible to add optical to this configuration? If so, how would it be done?

It would be quite easy to add Optical. All you would have to do, is hook up the same pins as the Coaxial for the sound, and hook up the power on the Optical socket to pin 1 on the AVIP (Pin 1 is +5v power, to power the Optical on the Advanced A/V Pack, and the High Def A/V Pack).

Hope that helps.
JaredC01
QUOTE (tsaavik @ May 27 2004, 12:35 PM)
for those who did the P-2-Z's Guide to Modding your XBOX for advanced A/V here is the relationship between his pinout labeling and the one above:

The number in () is p2z's labeling, the number to the right is the label numbering above.

CODE

( 5) 10 digital audio ground
( 3)  6 digital audio +
(18-chassis) 11-chassis mode2 + to chasis ground

(11) 22 Svideo Y+
(12) 21 Svideo Y-
(22) 19 Svideo C+
(21) 20 Svideo C-

These map VERY strangly
(17-6) 12-9 MODE1?
(17-5) 12-10 MODE2?

The numbering I used is the actual numbering of the AVIP. In P-2-Z's Guide, he numbered them using his own system of numbering.
JaredC01
QUOTE (Dan Wysocki @ May 28 2004, 01:11 PM)
Ok, I did this mod today to add the red and white audio on the back of me box, and its ok, but the problem im getting is if i plug the red and white in (at the same time) i only get output on one channel, when i plug them in sperately, i get audio output from both channels, wtf is goin on?? I still have my standard cable connected, is that whats causing the problem? Can I not get audio from both the back ports aswell as the standard cable?
beerchug.gif

I'm not sure what the problem is. You are probably somehow shorting one of the jacks when you plug both of the cables in. You can still have you standard AVIP jack as well as the jacks on the back of your XBox. Recheck your jacks and your wiring.
JaredC01
QUOTE (grungy-gamer @ May 27 2004, 10:05 PM)
-i've bee looking at various tutorials and faqs over the past few days, and i finally came up with a diagram for what i want to do.

user posted image


can someone tell me if this is correct and if it would work right?

also, JaredC01, you said that the component only works in high def mode. does that mean, that unless i have an HD tv, i won't get an image, or what? because i've run component video on my set through a high definition pack before with no problems.

Your diagram looks great. Should work perfectly for you. All I mean when I say it only works in High Def Mode, is that pins 11 - 12, and 13 - 14 need to be grounded, as they would be if you used the external High Definition A/V Pack.
xerxes3rd
Since there has been some confusion, I've built a table that maps pin numbering schemes. You can use it to convert the numbering from JaredC01's diagram to DataBlitz' diagram (used in his tutorial, found here), and vice versa. If there are any errors here, please let me know. If this is too confusing, let me know and I can take it down or move it to another thread.

Note: Most of the GND pins also have suggested uses, which are convenient to use based on physical placement. For example, the GND pin nearest to the "Audio Right" pin is labeled "GND (Audio Right)."

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DataBlitz  JaredC01  Description
---------  --------  -----------
1          2         Audio Right
2          4         GND (Audio Right)
3          6         SP-DIF Digital Audio
4          8         V-Sync (VGA Mode)
5          10        GND (Mode)
6          12        GND (Mode)
7          14        GND (Mode)
8          16        GND
9          18        Variable
10         20        GND (Pin 9)
11         22        Variable
12         24        GND (Pin 11)
13         1         Vcc
14         3         Audio Left
15         5         GND (Audio Left )
16         7         H Sync (VGA Mode)
17         9         Mode Select 1
18         11        Mode Select 2
19         13        Mode Select 3
20         15        +12v
21         17        GND (Pin 22)
22         19        Variable
23         21        GND (Pin 24)
24         23        Variable

Note: DataBlitz pinouts also apply to http://www.gamesx.com/avpinouts/xbox.htm
JaredC01
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10         20        Pin 9 GND
12         24        Pin 11 GND


Pin 20 is the Y (Green) ground on mine.

Pin 24 is the SPDIF ground on mine.

As you said in your post, however, they're all grounding points.
xerxes3rd
QUOTE (JaredC01 @ Jun 3 2004, 03:13 PM)
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10         20        Pin 9 GND
12         24        Pin 11 GND


Pin 20 is the Y (Green) ground on mine.

Pin 24 is the SPDIF ground on mine.

As you said in your post, however, they're all grounding points.

I updated my post slightly to reflect the fact that all ground points are common. If you would prefer that I remove the "suggested uses" for the ground pins, I'd be happy to do so.
JaredC01
No need to do that. Everything looks correct.
epsilon9090
Could you add VGA to this excellent diagram? It would then be complete.
JaredC01
I could add VGA to it, but I would also have to add a sync seperator circuit. I'll see what I can come up with. No promises though.
JaredC01
After a while of working, I finally got VGA added into the diagram. Enjoy.
Great2bfree
Amazing job man. I'm going to order that LM1881n chip and built me a VGA adapter!
Great2bfree
JaredC01, On the VGA note, you mentioned one has to have a valid VGA bios for this to work. What bios are you reffering to?(don't know of any other but hey) is it the one the xbox is booting up with? if so, is a edited 4891 good?

I've also do't fully understand when you say one has to turn on the xbox in high definition a/v mode, does this mean I have to turn 2 & 3? even thought I have a regular, standard S-video cable?

thanks, and sorry for the lack of knowledment.
Sheriff
QUOTE (grungy-gamer @ May 28 2004, 04:05 AM)
-i've bee looking at various tutorials and faqs over the past few days, and i finally came up with a diagram for what i want to do.

user posted image


can someone tell me if this is correct and if it would work right?

also, JaredC01, you said that the component only works in high def mode. does that mean, that unless i have an HD tv, i won't get an image, or what? because i've run component video on my set through a high definition pack before with no problems.

Okay I have tried your guide so I could plug into my HDtv but for some reason I am not getting all the colors! I rewired it several times and still it wont work wink.gif
I swear I am following it to a T but still it is like one of the cables is not pluged in?
One thing I have noticed is when I unplug the Blue cable nothing changes. Please any help getting hdtv output would be soo great! I drilled the holes and mounted everything already in my LE halo box and would really like to put it to use LOL.

Thanks in advance

Sheriff
Sheriff
Okay I figured out what is wrong. I dont know if it something that is different with my xbox or the guide has an error but the wires that go to pin 16 & 18 need to be switched. As soon as I disconnected the wire that goes to 16 and soldered it to 18 and the one that went to 18 to 16 it worked fine.

Sheriff
JaredC01
QUOTE (Great2bfree @ Jun 5 2004, 12:29 AM)
JaredC01, On the VGA note, you mentioned one has to have a valid VGA bios for this to work. What bios are you reffering to?(don't know of any other but hey) is it the one the xbox is booting up with? if so, is a edited 4891 good?

I've also do't fully understand when you say one has to turn on the xbox in high definition a/v mode, does this mean I have to turn 2 & 3? even thought I have a regular, standard S-video cable?

thanks, and sorry for the lack of knowledment.

You have to download the actual VGA bios (meaning it supports using VGA) made by a couple different people. You can find it in the "usual places".

You have to enable High Def A/V Mode to get the option for progressive scan in the MS dashboard. Using High Def A/V Mode with the S-Video cable should work, though you may not have color (the "Green" or "Y" signal is enabled in all modes, which supplies the video in black and white).
JaredC01
QUOTE (Sheriff @ Jun 6 2004, 08:09 AM)
Okay I figured out what is wrong. I dont know if it something that is different with my xbox or the guide has an error but the wires that go to pin 16 & 18 need to be switched. As soon as I disconnected the wire that goes to 16 and soldered it to 18 and the one that went to 18 to 16 it worked fine.

Sheriff

Ah... it seems I have a couple of errors in my tutorial. Thanks for pointing that out!

Problems Fixed.

(Blue wires were reversed, had a VGA pin wrong)
inneedofhelp
Important question: Is there any way to get component and composite out at the same time?

I ask because I output component to my TV, but plan on installing a little LCD into my XBOX. The LCD needs to be soldered into the composite points. I will run it simultaneously with my TV.

I need an answer before I devote time and money into this mod. Thanks a lot.
JaredC01
QUOTE (inneedofhelp @ Jun 7 2004, 06:58 PM)
Important question: Is there any way to get component and composite out at the same time?

I ask because I output component to my TV, but plan on installing a little LCD into my XBOX. The LCD needs to be soldered into the composite points. I will run it simultaneously with my TV.

I need an answer before I devote time and money into this mod. Thanks a lot.

No... you can't have both at the same time. The XBox will not put out a signal for composite when using the High Def A/V Pack (component).
JaredC01
Bump wink.gif.

Hmm... was just thinking... should I submit the diagram as an official tutorial?
MyMinuteNewt
I'm in the process of modding a HD-Pack to give me S-Video and Component. So now I'm in the process of deciding what kind of switch to use.

From the great diagram on the first post of this thread, I see that I need to switch between Advanced & HDTV. Except I only want to install one little switch.

I noticed that Pins 11 & 12 are closed on both modes. so I could permanently short these connections. So now I'm only concerned with pins 9&10 and 13&14, I want to switch from one pair to the other.

Are pins 10, 12 and 14 all ground? If so, I could just get an SPDT, and connect a groung to the center pin.

If not, I suppose I'd need to get a DPDT and wire it up, so only one is closed at one time.

any suggestions?

TIA
JaredC01
QUOTE (MyMinuteNewt @ Jun 10 2004, 07:14 AM)
I'm in the process of modding a HD-Pack to give me S-Video and Component. So now I'm in the process of deciding what kind of switch to use.

From the great diagram on the first post of this thread, I see that I need to switch between Advanced & HDTV. Except I only want to install one little switch.

I noticed that Pins 11 & 12 are closed on both modes. so I could permanently short these connections. So now I'm only concerned with pins 9&10 and 13&14, I want to switch from one pair to the other.

Are pins 10, 12 and 14 all ground? If so, I could just get an SPDT, and connect a groung to the center pin.

If not, I suppose I'd need to get a DPDT and wire it up, so only one is closed at one time.

any suggestions?

TIA

Yes, you can (and in this case should) permanantly connect pins 11 and 12. Pins 10, 12, and 14 are indeed all grounding points. Just use a SPDT switch, hook up one of the 3 grounding pins to the common post on the switch, and pins 9 and 13 to the opposite sides of the switch.

Throw the switch one way, you have Component A/V. Throw the switch the opposite way, you have S-Video A/V.

Good luck with your mod!
MyMinuteNewt
Thanks for that Jared! I'll be modding it early next week, I'll report back how it went.
xerxes3rd
QUOTE (JaredC01 @ Jun 10 2004, 02:44 AM)
Bump wink.gif.

Hmm... was just thinking... should I submit the diagram as an official tutorial?

I think you should, although I would probably add optical to the diagram first. Other than that, it's perfect.
JaredC01
I'm working on redoing the whole diagram to make it neater... adding things as they were requested made the diagram quite messy looking. Optical will be on the new diagram.
JaredC01
Done... hope you all like the new diagram better wink.gif.
xerxes3rd
Wow, looks very nice! I hope this thread gets pinned, if it hasn't already.
SchrodingersCat
since its hard to come by specific electronic parts where i live, i had to salvage a optical out module from a old technics cd deck. The problem i have with it is that it has 4 pins insted of 3. I installed it anyway with coaxial out. The coaxial out works fine, but the optical doesnt. is anyone familiar with this 4th pin? Cheers.
JaredC01
As I had said in the Optical note in the diagram, only 3 types of TOSLINK Optical Jacks will work for the XBox signal. The 4 pin Optical Jack you have will not work for the XBox.
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