JaredC01
May 12 2004, 03:15 PM

Edit: All new diagram.
Thanks to L33 for the VGA diagram.
Edit by deadparrot 10/9/08: Image re-hosted.
epsilon9090
May 12 2004, 06:10 PM
How could you get s-video output?
spillage
May 12 2004, 08:54 PM
Nice little diagram JaredC01. Add 'S' video for all the connection though so everyone can see everything.
JaredC01
May 13 2004, 01:59 AM
Done

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maxpowe2120
May 13 2004, 04:52 PM
im confused on the need for all the switches. right now i have the coaxial audio output mod done from the tutorial. Now lets say i want to add svideo and the component video outputs. would i still need the switches? Also, will i still need to have the standard xbox av cable plugged in?
spillage
May 14 2004, 12:51 PM

JaredC01 Nice.
maxpowe2120, all AV cables for the XBOX use a combination of jumper cables in the AVIP plug to instruct the video encoder (Conexant, Xacaliber, Focus) as to what type of output to enable for the particular cable type. By making your own custom output sockets you still have to instruct the encoder. By using the three switches you are effectively cloning the job of the AVIP plug. Different switch combinations, setup a 3 bit binary instruction for the encoder.
Ignore the line marked "Output" This has nothing to do with the AVIP or encoder but is necassary for my tutorial.The three switches are representing Pins 9(Mode 1),11(Mode 2) and 13(Mode 3). The combination of binary inputs to the encoder provides the pout formats you require to drive the sockets you install.
JaredC01
May 14 2004, 04:51 PM
Thanks.
maxpowe2120:
Spillage said it all...
maxpowe2120
May 15 2004, 04:15 AM
but what about s video. i do not see anything about using s video with digital sound. also do you know where i can purchase an s video jack and compent video jacks?
ps: On the tutorial for coax audio, the pins used are different then the ones shown in your diagram? whats up with that?
epsilon9090
May 15 2004, 01:29 PM
Is there any easy way to get vga output like this or do you need to have resistors and stuff? I can use a pixel8 bios, that is no problem.
maxpowe2120
May 17 2004, 12:16 PM
bump
xerxes3rd
May 21 2004, 11:47 AM
Would it be possible to add optical to this configuration? If so, how would it be done?
xerxes3rd
May 21 2004, 07:39 PM
| QUOTE (maxpowe2120 @ May 15 2004, 06:15 AM) |
but what about s video. i do not see anything about using s video with digital sound. also do you know where i can purchase an s video jack and compent video jacks?
ps: On the tutorial for coax audio, the pins used are different then the ones shown in your diagram? whats up with that? |
Assuming you're talking about the Digital Output tutorial by DataBitz, I think the Digital Output tutorial used different grounding pins, but I believe the data pin (pin 6 on this diagram, I think) is common between both this diagram and the tutorial. It seems like every tutorial/diagram released uses different pin numbering schemes.
tsaavik
May 27 2004, 05:35 PM
for those who did the P-2-Z's Guide to Modding your XBOX for advanced A/V here is the relationship between his pinout labeling and the one above:
The number in () is p2z's labeling, the number to the right is the label numbering above.
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( 5) 10 digital audio ground ( 3) 6 digital audio + (18-chassis) 11-chassis mode2 + to chasis ground
(11) 22 Svideo Y+ (12) 21 Svideo Y- (22) 19 Svideo C+ (21) 20 Svideo C-
These map VERY strangly (17-6) 12-9 MODE1? (17-5) 12-10 MODE2?
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grungy-gamer
May 28 2004, 03:05 AM
-i've bee looking at various tutorials and faqs over the past few days, and i finally came up with a diagram for what i want to do.

can someone tell me if this is correct and if it would work right?
also, JaredC01, you said that the component only works in high def mode. does that mean, that unless i have an HD tv, i won't get an image, or what? because i've run component video on my set through a high definition pack before with no problems.
Dan Wysocki
May 28 2004, 06:11 PM
Ok, I did this mod today to add the red and white audio on the back of me box, and its ok, but the problem im getting is if i plug the red and white in (at the same time) i only get output on one channel, when i plug them in sperately, i get audio output from both channels, wtf is goin on?? I still have my standard cable connected, is that whats causing the problem? Can I not get audio from both the back ports aswell as the standard cable?
rastareaper
May 31 2004, 02:00 AM
i want to put component inputs on the back of my xbox for better pic quality but i dont have a hdtv television. can you still use component for 480i, or does it have to be 480p+?
timeisntreal
May 31 2004, 02:21 AM
| QUOTE (grungy-gamer @ May 28 2004, 05:05 AM) |
| also, JaredC01, you said that the component only works in high def mode. does that mean, that unless i have an HD tv, i won't get an image, or what? because i've run component video on my set through a high definition pack before with no problems. |
no no, he means that you need the mode on which enables out put on RGB/YPrPb
timeisntreal
May 31 2004, 02:23 AM
| QUOTE (rastareaper @ May 31 2004, 04:00 AM) |
| i want to put component inputs on the back of my xbox for better pic quality but i dont have a hdtv television. can you still use component for 480i, or does it have to be 480p+? |
the xbox will out put 480i/p + 720p + 1080i
So yes it will do what you ask
yosomono99
Jun 1 2004, 11:46 PM
Somebody else asked about it but i never saw an answer.
What about VGA from the RGB?
JaredC01
Jun 2 2004, 06:00 PM
I haven't been watching this thread very much, sorry.
| QUOTE (yasomono99) |
Somebody else asked about it but i never saw an answer.
What about VGA from the RGB? |
You can hook up VGA, but you would have to have the sync seperator, which you can build.
JaredC01
Jun 2 2004, 06:03 PM
| QUOTE (maxpowe2120 @ May 14 2004, 11:15 PM) |
but what about s video. i do not see anything about using s video with digital sound. also do you know where i can purchase an s video jack and compent video jacks?
ps: On the tutorial for coax audio, the pins used are different then the ones shown in your diagram? whats up with that? |
For digital sound with S-Video, switches 1, and 2 need to be on (Advanced Pack).
JaredC01
Jun 2 2004, 06:06 PM
| QUOTE (xerxes3rd @ May 21 2004, 06:47 AM) |
| Would it be possible to add optical to this configuration? If so, how would it be done? |
It would be quite easy to add Optical. All you would have to do, is hook up the same pins as the Coaxial for the sound, and hook up the power on the Optical socket to pin 1 on the AVIP (Pin 1 is +5v power, to power the Optical on the Advanced A/V Pack, and the High Def A/V Pack).
Hope that helps.
JaredC01
Jun 2 2004, 06:08 PM
| QUOTE (tsaavik @ May 27 2004, 12:35 PM) |
for those who did the P-2-Z's Guide to Modding your XBOX for advanced A/V here is the relationship between his pinout labeling and the one above:
The number in () is p2z's labeling, the number to the right is the label numbering above.
| CODE | ( 5) 10 digital audio ground ( 3) 6 digital audio + (18-chassis) 11-chassis mode2 + to chasis ground
(11) 22 Svideo Y+ (12) 21 Svideo Y- (22) 19 Svideo C+ (21) 20 Svideo C-
These map VERY strangly (17-6) 12-9 MODE1? (17-5) 12-10 MODE2?
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The numbering I used is the actual numbering of the AVIP. In P-2-Z's Guide, he numbered them using his own system of numbering.
JaredC01
Jun 2 2004, 06:10 PM
| QUOTE (Dan Wysocki @ May 28 2004, 01:11 PM) |
Ok, I did this mod today to add the red and white audio on the back of me box, and its ok, but the problem im getting is if i plug the red and white in (at the same time) i only get output on one channel, when i plug them in sperately, i get audio output from both channels, wtf is goin on?? I still have my standard cable connected, is that whats causing the problem? Can I not get audio from both the back ports aswell as the standard cable? |
I'm not sure what the problem is. You are probably somehow shorting one of the jacks when you plug both of the cables in. You can still have you standard AVIP jack as well as the jacks on the back of your XBox. Recheck your jacks and your wiring.
JaredC01
Jun 2 2004, 06:13 PM
| QUOTE (grungy-gamer @ May 27 2004, 10:05 PM) |
-i've bee looking at various tutorials and faqs over the past few days, and i finally came up with a diagram for what i want to do.

can someone tell me if this is correct and if it would work right?
also, JaredC01, you said that the component only works in high def mode. does that mean, that unless i have an HD tv, i won't get an image, or what? because i've run component video on my set through a high definition pack before with no problems. |
Your diagram looks great. Should work perfectly for you. All I mean when I say it only works in High Def Mode, is that pins 11 - 12, and 13 - 14 need to be grounded, as they would be if you used the external High Definition A/V Pack.
xerxes3rd
Jun 3 2004, 12:43 PM
Since there has been some confusion, I've built a table that maps pin numbering schemes. You can use it to convert the numbering from JaredC01's diagram to DataBlitz' diagram (used in his tutorial, found
here), and vice versa. If there are any errors here, please let me know. If this is too confusing, let me know and I can take it down or move it to another thread.
Note: Most of the GND pins also have suggested uses, which are convenient to use based on physical placement. For example, the GND pin nearest to the "Audio Right" pin is labeled "GND (Audio Right)."
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DataBlitz JaredC01 Description --------- -------- ----------- 1 2 Audio Right 2 4 GND (Audio Right) 3 6 SP-DIF Digital Audio 4 8 V-Sync (VGA Mode) 5 10 GND (Mode) 6 12 GND (Mode) 7 14 GND (Mode) 8 16 GND 9 18 Variable 10 20 GND (Pin 9) 11 22 Variable 12 24 GND (Pin 11) 13 1 Vcc 14 3 Audio Left 15 5 GND (Audio Left ) 16 7 H Sync (VGA Mode) 17 9 Mode Select 1 18 11 Mode Select 2 19 13 Mode Select 3 20 15 +12v 21 17 GND (Pin 22) 22 19 Variable 23 21 GND (Pin 24) 24 23 Variable
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JaredC01
Jun 3 2004, 01:13 PM
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10 20 Pin 9 GND 12 24 Pin 11 GND |
Pin 20 is the Y (Green) ground on mine.
Pin 24 is the SPDIF ground on mine.
As you said in your post, however, they're all grounding points.
xerxes3rd
Jun 3 2004, 02:08 PM
| QUOTE (JaredC01 @ Jun 3 2004, 03:13 PM) |
| CODE | 10 20 Pin 9 GND 12 24 Pin 11 GND |
Pin 20 is the Y (Green) ground on mine.
Pin 24 is the SPDIF ground on mine.
As you said in your post, however, they're all grounding points.
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I updated my post slightly to reflect the fact that all ground points are common. If you would prefer that I remove the "suggested uses" for the ground pins, I'd be happy to do so.
JaredC01
Jun 3 2004, 07:49 PM
No need to do that. Everything looks correct.
epsilon9090
Jun 3 2004, 10:26 PM
Could you add VGA to this excellent diagram? It would then be complete.
JaredC01
Jun 5 2004, 02:57 AM
I could add VGA to it, but I would also have to add a sync seperator circuit. I'll see what I can come up with. No promises though.
JaredC01
Jun 5 2004, 04:27 AM
After a while of working, I finally got VGA added into the diagram. Enjoy.
Great2bfree
Jun 5 2004, 05:06 AM
Amazing job man. I'm going to order that LM1881n chip and built me a VGA adapter!
Great2bfree
Jun 5 2004, 05:29 AM
JaredC01, On the VGA note, you mentioned one has to have a valid VGA bios for this to work. What bios are you reffering to?(don't know of any other but hey) is it the one the xbox is booting up with? if so, is a edited 4891 good?
I've also do't fully understand when you say one has to turn on the xbox in high definition a/v mode, does this mean I have to turn 2 & 3? even thought I have a regular, standard S-video cable?
thanks, and sorry for the lack of knowledment.
Sheriff
Jun 6 2004, 03:02 AM
| QUOTE (grungy-gamer @ May 28 2004, 04:05 AM) |
-i've bee looking at various tutorials and faqs over the past few days, and i finally came up with a diagram for what i want to do.

can someone tell me if this is correct and if it would work right?
also, JaredC01, you said that the component only works in high def mode. does that mean, that unless i have an HD tv, i won't get an image, or what? because i've run component video on my set through a high definition pack before with no problems. |
Okay I have tried your guide so I could plug into my HDtv but for some reason I am not getting all the colors! I rewired it several times and still it wont work
I swear I am following it to a T but still it is like one of the cables is not pluged in?
One thing I have noticed is when I unplug the Blue cable nothing changes. Please any help getting hdtv output would be soo great! I drilled the holes and mounted everything already in my LE halo box and would really like to put it to use LOL.
Thanks in advance
Sheriff
Sheriff
Jun 6 2004, 01:09 PM
Okay I figured out what is wrong. I dont know if it something that is different with my xbox or the guide has an error but the wires that go to pin 16 & 18 need to be switched. As soon as I disconnected the wire that goes to 16 and soldered it to 18 and the one that went to 18 to 16 it worked fine.
Sheriff
JaredC01
Jun 6 2004, 07:55 PM
| QUOTE (Great2bfree @ Jun 5 2004, 12:29 AM) |
JaredC01, On the VGA note, you mentioned one has to have a valid VGA bios for this to work. What bios are you reffering to?(don't know of any other but hey) is it the one the xbox is booting up with? if so, is a edited 4891 good?
I've also do't fully understand when you say one has to turn on the xbox in high definition a/v mode, does this mean I have to turn 2 & 3? even thought I have a regular, standard S-video cable?
thanks, and sorry for the lack of knowledment. |
You have to download the actual VGA bios (meaning it supports using VGA) made by a couple different people. You can find it in the "usual places".
You have to enable High Def A/V Mode to get the option for progressive scan in the MS dashboard. Using High Def A/V Mode with the S-Video cable should work, though you may not have color (the "Green" or "Y" signal is enabled in all modes, which supplies the video in black and white).
JaredC01
Jun 6 2004, 08:13 PM
| QUOTE (Sheriff @ Jun 6 2004, 08:09 AM) |
Okay I figured out what is wrong. I dont know if it something that is different with my xbox or the guide has an error but the wires that go to pin 16 & 18 need to be switched. As soon as I disconnected the wire that goes to 16 and soldered it to 18 and the one that went to 18 to 16 it worked fine.
Sheriff |
Ah... it seems I have a couple of errors in my tutorial. Thanks for pointing that out!
Problems Fixed.
(Blue wires were reversed, had a VGA pin wrong)
inneedofhelp
Jun 7 2004, 11:58 PM
Important question: Is there any way to get component and composite out at the same time?
I ask because I output component to my TV, but plan on installing a little LCD into my XBOX. The LCD needs to be soldered into the composite points. I will run it simultaneously with my TV.
I need an answer before I devote time and money into this mod. Thanks a lot.
JaredC01
Jun 8 2004, 02:43 AM
| QUOTE (inneedofhelp @ Jun 7 2004, 06:58 PM) |
Important question: Is there any way to get component and composite out at the same time?
I ask because I output component to my TV, but plan on installing a little LCD into my XBOX. The LCD needs to be soldered into the composite points. I will run it simultaneously with my TV.
I need an answer before I devote time and money into this mod. Thanks a lot. |
No... you can't have both at the same time. The XBox will not put out a signal for composite when using the High Def A/V Pack (component).
JaredC01
Jun 10 2004, 12:44 AM
Bump

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Hmm... was just thinking... should I submit the diagram as an official tutorial?
MyMinuteNewt
Jun 10 2004, 12:14 PM
I'm in the process of modding a HD-Pack to give me S-Video and Component. So now I'm in the process of deciding what kind of switch to use.
From the great diagram on the first post of this thread, I see that I need to switch between Advanced & HDTV. Except I only want to install one little switch.
I noticed that Pins 11 & 12 are closed on both modes. so I could permanently short these connections. So now I'm only concerned with pins 9&10 and 13&14, I want to switch from one pair to the other.
Are pins 10, 12 and 14 all ground? If so, I could just get an SPDT, and connect a groung to the center pin.
If not, I suppose I'd need to get a DPDT and wire it up, so only one is closed at one time.
any suggestions?
TIA
JaredC01
Jun 11 2004, 01:52 AM
| QUOTE (MyMinuteNewt @ Jun 10 2004, 07:14 AM) |
I'm in the process of modding a HD-Pack to give me S-Video and Component. So now I'm in the process of deciding what kind of switch to use.
From the great diagram on the first post of this thread, I see that I need to switch between Advanced & HDTV. Except I only want to install one little switch.
I noticed that Pins 11 & 12 are closed on both modes. so I could permanently short these connections. So now I'm only concerned with pins 9&10 and 13&14, I want to switch from one pair to the other.
Are pins 10, 12 and 14 all ground? If so, I could just get an SPDT, and connect a groung to the center pin.
If not, I suppose I'd need to get a DPDT and wire it up, so only one is closed at one time.
any suggestions?
TIA |
Yes, you can (and in this case should) permanantly connect pins 11 and 12. Pins 10, 12, and 14 are indeed all grounding points. Just use a SPDT switch, hook up one of the 3 grounding pins to the common post on the switch, and pins 9 and 13 to the opposite sides of the switch.
Throw the switch one way, you have Component A/V. Throw the switch the opposite way, you have S-Video A/V.
Good luck with your mod!
MyMinuteNewt
Jun 11 2004, 06:24 AM
Thanks for that Jared! I'll be modding it early next week, I'll report back how it went.
xerxes3rd
Jun 11 2004, 11:56 AM
| QUOTE (JaredC01 @ Jun 10 2004, 02:44 AM) |
Bump .
Hmm... was just thinking... should I submit the diagram as an official tutorial? |
I think you should, although I would probably add optical to the diagram first. Other than that, it's perfect.
JaredC01
Jun 11 2004, 03:40 PM
I'm working on redoing the whole diagram to make it neater... adding things as they were requested made the diagram quite messy looking. Optical will be on the new diagram.
JaredC01
Jun 11 2004, 05:42 PM
Done... hope you all like the new diagram better

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xerxes3rd
Jun 12 2004, 01:16 PM
Wow, looks very nice! I hope this thread gets pinned, if it hasn't already.
SchrodingersCat
Jun 12 2004, 01:57 PM
since its hard to come by specific electronic parts where i live, i had to salvage a optical out module from a old technics cd deck. The problem i have with it is that it has 4 pins insted of 3. I installed it anyway with coaxial out. The coaxial out works fine, but the optical doesnt. is anyone familiar with this 4th pin? Cheers.
JaredC01
Jun 12 2004, 05:57 PM
As I had said in the Optical note in the diagram, only 3 types of TOSLINK Optical Jacks will work for the XBox signal. The 4 pin Optical Jack you have will not work for the XBox.
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