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wait you plan on fitting 2 dvd drives in there?? i honestly do not see how this could be possible without re sizing the case but as we seem to be going custom i guess that wouldnt b a problem.
I was thinking about the switching method I proposed on the last page, and that would allow you to still change the selection when the xbox was on, which would cause problems.
It is an easy fix though. If the power to the switch was supplied from the xbox +5V with a not-gate, the switch would only pull the input to active high when the xbox was off, becasue it would go to ground when you powered up the xbox. This would still keep the circuit active, so the LED selection display would still be lit, and the JKs would still remember their state, it would just disable the switch.
Here is a really bad paint mockup of my idea (I will draw up a proper schematic when I get the right software).
Just to recap, this circuit uses two JK Flip-Flops to select the drive using only one momantary switch (so that each time you press the switch it moves to the next drive). This circuit has 3 advantages, one is that it will remember its state even when the xbox is off, so that you dont need to keep re-selecting the drive. Two it uses only one button to switch (cleaner than using two switches), and thirdly you select the drive before you turn on hte xbox, rather than having to turn it on, select a drive, and then restart.
The total cost for the parts for this circuit will be <$3 (not including relays and things).
It is an easy fix though. If the power to the switch was supplied from the xbox +5V with a not-gate, the switch would only pull the input to active high when the xbox was off, becasue it would go to ground when you powered up the xbox. This would still keep the circuit active, so the LED selection display would still be lit, and the JKs would still remember their state, it would just disable the switch.
Here is a really bad paint mockup of my idea (I will draw up a proper schematic when I get the right software).
Just to recap, this circuit uses two JK Flip-Flops to select the drive using only one momantary switch (so that each time you press the switch it moves to the next drive). This circuit has 3 advantages, one is that it will remember its state even when the xbox is off, so that you dont need to keep re-selecting the drive. Two it uses only one button to switch (cleaner than using two switches), and thirdly you select the drive before you turn on hte xbox, rather than having to turn it on, select a drive, and then restart.
The total cost for the parts for this circuit will be <$3 (not including relays and things).
I'm intrested. lol
Anywho... I've had some ideas about the case building.
They all depend on using close to 1/4" plexi, the 1/8" just doesn't seem durrable enough.
Anywho... I think the DVD bezel is about what 1/2". which means if you stack 2 1/4" on their side (and cut to the desired shape) you now have a nice surface that looks pretty tricked out when lit. since these are being made from scratch, it'd be pretty easy to stretch these 2 rows of horrizontal plexi across the entire front. Then with an added plate ala Tango on the top, you now have a nice horisontal strip patern. now with the lid and base, you have what 5 stripes that should all light up. For verticle pieces use the mirrored or colored pieces.
I think for it to be successfull you'd have to make it a kit. You add in the labor(say it takes 45 minutes to put together) then after cost for product. (Plexi, bolts, standoffs, cables, buttons) you factore in labor, and I can't see this going for less than 50 bucks. I think about 50$ would be the cutoff for what I'd pay, concidering that I'd have to buy 3 more hdds too.
As for MS getting pissy about us making a case fo the Xbox.... I don't see XBOX mentioned anywhere in "XSDECK". It's simpily a system case which a Xbox happens to fit. I could jsut as easily put in a mini-ITX board.
Anywho... I've had some ideas about the case building.
They all depend on using close to 1/4" plexi, the 1/8" just doesn't seem durrable enough.
Anywho... I think the DVD bezel is about what 1/2". which means if you stack 2 1/4" on their side (and cut to the desired shape) you now have a nice surface that looks pretty tricked out when lit. since these are being made from scratch, it'd be pretty easy to stretch these 2 rows of horrizontal plexi across the entire front. Then with an added plate ala Tango on the top, you now have a nice horisontal strip patern. now with the lid and base, you have what 5 stripes that should all light up. For verticle pieces use the mirrored or colored pieces.
I think for it to be successfull you'd have to make it a kit. You add in the labor(say it takes 45 minutes to put together) then after cost for product. (Plexi, bolts, standoffs, cables, buttons) you factore in labor, and I can't see this going for less than 50 bucks. I think about 50$ would be the cutoff for what I'd pay, concidering that I'd have to buy 3 more hdds too.
As for MS getting pissy about us making a case fo the Xbox.... I don't see XBOX mentioned anywhere in "XSDECK". It's simpily a system case which a Xbox happens to fit. I could jsut as easily put in a mini-ITX board.
| QUOTE (Mjkthirdeye @ May 15 2004, 10:53 AM) |
| This thing is gonna be badass... Another thing I love is the name "XSDECK". While we here at xbox-scene know the XS stands for that it could also stand as an abbreviation of Excess so either way the name sounds cool. |
XSDECK was a temp name.. and one we (Palmore and I) dropped.
ProjectDeck is the name until a formal one can be made. XS implies XBOX SCENE.. and what I wanted to do was encourage a new independant team to take up the cause.
| QUOTE (No_Remorse_666 @ May 15 2004, 01:22 PM) |
| I am just jumping in in the middle of this(I havnt read the entire thread yet) I think weed need some serious input on legal issues of produceing a Xbox replacment case. I would hate to see everyones efforts squashed in the end by MS. Even if it all legit you know MS has enough money to drag it out in a court battle if they wanted to. I am no legal expert, so I couldnt say one way or the other if this would be an issue or not, but deff something that should be looked into upfront. That said. I am willing to help out with protype parts cutting/machined. In the end I think the only way this is going to be cost effective to bring to market is some kind of injection molding. It would be way to costly to machine each and every case. Just my 2 cents  |
Legal issues.
As long as we do not CLONE their case.. there are none. Also.. keeping the word XBOX out of the name helps tremendously.
If we end up using your services and skills NR.. we won't be cloning the stock case at all.. as one idea me and Palmore have bounced around on ICQ last night.. was to make a case made up of sheets of cut plexi/lexan.. that comes shipped flat.. in precision cut peices by you. Made from cheap and accessable Acrylic/plexi/lexan.
If we can keep that idea in this project.. we can keep shippping and manufacturing cost LOW.
The unit.. when the 6 or more parts are assembled.. would likely resemble the STOCK case in size and shape.. maybe with an "x" somewhere. However.. it would not.. and couldn't be.. mistaken for an xbox stock case.
Course.. this is one of many ideas.
I would much like to help. I have materials at home to build a case. But so does everyone else so i dont know how much help i would be. And is it certain that its going to be a modified mold of the original xbox case OR a completely new design. If so Im having Pieces cut by my friend with a CNC machine out of acrylic. And its got some features the origonal xbox has like the Large X on top with a hole to put a custom jewel in. And its slightly bigger and will be able to fit 4 HDD's inside. Once i put it together i could mail it to palmore and he could do whatever he needs to do to make it work.
I believe in this idea strongly and i believe it has potential to work. I'll do anything i can to help.
I believe in this idea strongly and i believe it has potential to work. I'll do anything i can to help.
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ok to show you all the idea i had i made bad paint pic but it gives you all the idea.
1 button with a display
the button is pressed and the display says either 1 2 3 or 4
with each push the +5 and the +12 power lines are diverted to 1 of 4 molex plugs that are then connected to 4 HDD's.
With a printed circut board this device could be quite small.
my problem is i dont electronics well enough to make this work.
what components am i missing to make this diagram work right.
1 button with a display
the button is pressed and the display says either 1 2 3 or 4
with each push the +5 and the +12 power lines are diverted to 1 of 4 molex plugs that are then connected to 4 HDD's.
With a printed circut board this device could be quite small.
my problem is i dont electronics well enough to make this work.
what components am i missing to make this diagram work right.
I'm wondering what's so wrong with just using a good old rotary switch and a nice aluminum knob. Sure you don't get the flashy blue LCD number display but at least we know it works.
Ok palmore invited me via PM, I just read through this whole thread and I'm very interested in being on this team if you'll have me. 
I just graduated from Rensselear Poly Technic with a Degree in Mechanical Engineering and another in Design. I have lots of experience with items of design from product conception to manufacturing and production, I just did my capstone project re-designing the Saturn Ion for General Motors, I'm no stranger to this sort of thing. Although electronics are just a hobby of mine I'm sure you all know my abilities in that area either.
Here is what I would suggest for going about this project First and formost nail down a definitive list of functions. How many hard drives are we putting in there? do we need to have a display(s), what do we want it to display? I understand that the x-deck is the idea here but there may be some stupid functions that it had that we dont want and there may be some that we want to include that it didn't, etc.
Once we have the functions nailed down we can start the design on 2 fronts:
first we need a shape, I'd recomend going with our own design that is similar to the stock look but definilty different. I'd recomend pensil and paper sketches and LOTS of them, there are certain homogenious designs that tend to come out when you limit youself to or start designing with a computer. I dont care if you can't draw I've worked in design teams with lots of people who can't draw as long as you can sketch it well enough for other people to understand what you're trying to say that's fine. the more sketches the better. dont just say you can't draw and not do it, just do it and let me be the judge of that.
second: electronics once we have the functions nailed down we can start designing the electronics there are ways to do all the functions with stand alone circuits but it would be much more robust and cheaper if you could use the same circuit for all the functions. so perhapse the xIR, hard drive switching, etc could all be run from a single microcontroller.
Some Suggestions:
for the case I'd recomend an angular design no curved edges means max space available. Think the stock case but with flat edges. I'd suggest it looks similar enough to the stock case so that people know it's an xbox but different enough that it's definlity a custom case. the plexi glas thing is cool. I'd recomend taking a page from bit-tech's orac3 project... clear with chrome polished accents.
As for hard drive switching check out page 12 of palmores thread TeonHarasymiv is using the same Idea.. j/k flip flops work very well for a switch. I built that exact circuit for a friend switching fuel lines on his race bike... but again like I said above a single cirucit to handle all our functions would be best.
if bios output is to be displayed (like the original xdec) we'd need to choose a specific modchip to use because determing that is possible but different for each chip.
Random idea:
Rather than including RGB LEDs or a specific color LED. LED "sockets" could be provided so the case doesn't come with LEDs but there are sockets in place where standard 5mm LED can just be plugged in and used. that will lower the cost and allow the buyer to choose what LED colors are used if any at all. just an idea.
I'll be checking back here for what you guys think, or if I get any more ideas for the project.
I just graduated from Rensselear Poly Technic with a Degree in Mechanical Engineering and another in Design. I have lots of experience with items of design from product conception to manufacturing and production, I just did my capstone project re-designing the Saturn Ion for General Motors, I'm no stranger to this sort of thing. Although electronics are just a hobby of mine I'm sure you all know my abilities in that area either.
Here is what I would suggest for going about this project First and formost nail down a definitive list of functions. How many hard drives are we putting in there? do we need to have a display(s), what do we want it to display? I understand that the x-deck is the idea here but there may be some stupid functions that it had that we dont want and there may be some that we want to include that it didn't, etc.
Once we have the functions nailed down we can start the design on 2 fronts:
first we need a shape, I'd recomend going with our own design that is similar to the stock look but definilty different. I'd recomend pensil and paper sketches and LOTS of them, there are certain homogenious designs that tend to come out when you limit youself to or start designing with a computer. I dont care if you can't draw I've worked in design teams with lots of people who can't draw as long as you can sketch it well enough for other people to understand what you're trying to say that's fine. the more sketches the better. dont just say you can't draw and not do it, just do it and let me be the judge of that.
second: electronics once we have the functions nailed down we can start designing the electronics there are ways to do all the functions with stand alone circuits but it would be much more robust and cheaper if you could use the same circuit for all the functions. so perhapse the xIR, hard drive switching, etc could all be run from a single microcontroller.
Some Suggestions:
for the case I'd recomend an angular design no curved edges means max space available. Think the stock case but with flat edges. I'd suggest it looks similar enough to the stock case so that people know it's an xbox but different enough that it's definlity a custom case. the plexi glas thing is cool. I'd recomend taking a page from bit-tech's orac3 project... clear with chrome polished accents.
As for hard drive switching check out page 12 of palmores thread TeonHarasymiv is using the same Idea.. j/k flip flops work very well for a switch. I built that exact circuit for a friend switching fuel lines on his race bike... but again like I said above a single cirucit to handle all our functions would be best.
if bios output is to be displayed (like the original xdec) we'd need to choose a specific modchip to use because determing that is possible but different for each chip.
Random idea:
Rather than including RGB LEDs or a specific color LED. LED "sockets" could be provided so the case doesn't come with LEDs but there are sockets in place where standard 5mm LED can just be plugged in and used. that will lower the cost and allow the buyer to choose what LED colors are used if any at all. just an idea.
I'll be checking back here for what you guys think, or if I get any more ideas for the project.
to put the whole HDD switching to bed there are 2 ways you can go as far as I'm concerned.
A. the old fasioned way, with a rotary switch requiring the user to turn of the xbox switch and then turn it back on.
B. use a microcontroller to emulate the 2 bit binary counter (dual jk flip flops). then use a single push button. the microcontroller can be programed to output to a 7 segment to display the # and it can run off of the 3.3V standby. the controler can also control the power of the xbox. so that you can push the buttons to switch then after a second or two the microcontroller can switch the xbox off switch drives then power back on.
A. the old fasioned way, with a rotary switch requiring the user to turn of the xbox switch and then turn it back on.
B. use a microcontroller to emulate the 2 bit binary counter (dual jk flip flops). then use a single push button. the microcontroller can be programed to output to a 7 segment to display the # and it can run off of the 3.3V standby. the controler can also control the power of the xbox. so that you can push the buttons to switch then after a second or two the microcontroller can switch the xbox off switch drives then power back on.
Twisted.. alot of what you said makes perfect sence. The next 4-6 days are still the Ideas phase. Getting input from as many people as possible.. so that a final set of features and objectives can be established.
I love the LED plug Idea. Less we need to put in there.. the lower the cost.. and the better for modders our thewre that want a case.. but still want a personal touch.
I love the LED plug Idea. Less we need to put in there.. the lower the cost.. and the better for modders our thewre that want a case.. but still want a personal touch.
I'm glad to see the responses to invites coming back so quick =)
With Production, as No remorse said, it may be expensive to machine each part, unless we can cut stacks at a time 10 or so layers of plexi per cut. I'm not familiar with the proccess, so again any input is welcome =)
Also we are going to have an official team, please keep in mind this doesn't mean we don't wont everyone else's ideas.
As in design, I'd really like to see something modular, let's say you want the 2HDD 1 DVD kit, or 4HDDs and 1DVD, or 2HDDs and 2DVDs. An expandable upgradable kit. Just one of the many things I'd like to fly up the pole and see what hits it
Both the Rotary and MicroControlled are great ideas, also both can utilize the 7segment display. Since the design is still in it's infancy, let's leave that device as is, and concentrate on a look and feature list.
(I'll tell ya Ben, a chrome rotary and some lighted vandal switches mmmmm =) )
But for now, I'm off to hit the pen and paper, I have 2 sketched out now, just gotta find the power cord for my scanner now =/ lol
With Production, as No remorse said, it may be expensive to machine each part, unless we can cut stacks at a time 10 or so layers of plexi per cut. I'm not familiar with the proccess, so again any input is welcome =)
Also we are going to have an official team, please keep in mind this doesn't mean we don't wont everyone else's ideas.
As in design, I'd really like to see something modular, let's say you want the 2HDD 1 DVD kit, or 4HDDs and 1DVD, or 2HDDs and 2DVDs. An expandable upgradable kit. Just one of the many things I'd like to fly up the pole and see what hits it
Both the Rotary and MicroControlled are great ideas, also both can utilize the 7segment display. Since the design is still in it's infancy, let's leave that device as is, and concentrate on a look and feature list.
(I'll tell ya Ben, a chrome rotary and some lighted vandal switches mmmmm =) )
But for now, I'm off to hit the pen and paper, I have 2 sketched out now, just gotta find the power cord for my scanner now =/ lol
I have a few sketches done but I wont be able to get them up till thrusday probably. like I said I just graduated and now I'm moving home so my desktop and scanner etc. is all packed up. just have my laptop and some leeched wi-fi to hold me over till then
Yeah id be happy to help out in this... Just let me know what kinda pieces you guys want and i'll see what I can do about it.
I had a go at a little designing. I don't know if it's really possible to do my design but I tried to keep with the angular theme, no curves.
I dunno about the lighted acrylic, it's just what I would want in a case so it might not really be feasible. The layered design is still pretty cool though. I didn't factor in how it would all be held together, but that's not really a design thing I suppose. The shaded areas in the pics are the surfaces that are not angled, just either horizontal or vertical except for the X sections on the top. I hope you can see what I was trying to get at. My eraser is worn to a nub now
. Gotta start somewhere, so let's see what everybody thinks
I dunno about the lighted acrylic, it's just what I would want in a case so it might not really be feasible. The layered design is still pretty cool though. I didn't factor in how it would all be held together, but that's not really a design thing I suppose. The shaded areas in the pics are the surfaces that are not angled, just either horizontal or vertical except for the X sections on the top. I hope you can see what I was trying to get at. My eraser is worn to a nub now
. Gotta start somewhere, so let's see what everybody thinks
One big thing to remember in every "phantom case" thread one thing rings out the same. All of the responces say make it inexpensive and it will sell. Too much money and it is bound to fail. I'm sure that is already being talked about but a target price should be roughed out. That way the design can be more cohesive to the selling phase. (no 200 design in a 50 price target).
So some things that would make sense for a 250.00 one off may not for a more productive line.
So some things that would make sense for a 250.00 one off may not for a more productive line.
I would like to see around $50 for the case, that'd be affordable across the board.
Yet maybe offer a standerd blank case for $50 and a decked out case for more (lights/eyecandy etc..)
In the cases I have designed (will have them scanned 2morrow, need to dig out all the cords) I have included space for 4 HDD's and 2 DVD's.
I agree on the option of not limiting ourselves to one style or type of chip with a bank select etc, we don't wanna lock our selves in the corner of one market.
Though I do think an easy quick D0 control switch would still be nice, it works across the board with every chip, and it's quick and easy.
Space to mount an LCD. With all the new chips coming out, why not? but from a design stand point... just leave "room" for one? have an area cut out for one with a "filler" screwed on. But then we start to touch with what size should we leave/make, depending on the choosen LCD display. (CF, EA, 2x40,4x40 etc..)
Atleast 2 USB ports I think are a must, if not across the board, atleast in the upgrade model to keep the base cost down. Could even make a plugin kit to wire the USB ports to the controllers.
And twisted hit the HDD switch right on target, Ben and Twisted are right on with the Rotary, a 2P6T would work perfect as with my first terabox. Positions on each end for off, and 2-5 for the drives.
Another thing to keep in mind, if we do go Daul DVD, we'll have to have a switch for this also, dual eject buttons? or single? =P my 2 fave designs have dual hehe.
Or the momentary push button switch, and microcontroller. But again, we'll address that when we hit that cross road.
Anyway, more ranting to come
Yet maybe offer a standerd blank case for $50 and a decked out case for more (lights/eyecandy etc..)
In the cases I have designed (will have them scanned 2morrow, need to dig out all the cords) I have included space for 4 HDD's and 2 DVD's.
I agree on the option of not limiting ourselves to one style or type of chip with a bank select etc, we don't wanna lock our selves in the corner of one market.
Though I do think an easy quick D0 control switch would still be nice, it works across the board with every chip, and it's quick and easy.
Space to mount an LCD. With all the new chips coming out, why not? but from a design stand point... just leave "room" for one? have an area cut out for one with a "filler" screwed on. But then we start to touch with what size should we leave/make, depending on the choosen LCD display. (CF, EA, 2x40,4x40 etc..)
Atleast 2 USB ports I think are a must, if not across the board, atleast in the upgrade model to keep the base cost down. Could even make a plugin kit to wire the USB ports to the controllers.
And twisted hit the HDD switch right on target, Ben and Twisted are right on with the Rotary, a 2P6T would work perfect as with my first terabox. Positions on each end for off, and 2-5 for the drives.
Another thing to keep in mind, if we do go Daul DVD, we'll have to have a switch for this also, dual eject buttons? or single? =P my 2 fave designs have dual hehe.
Or the momentary push button switch, and microcontroller. But again, we'll address that when we hit that cross road.
Anyway, more ranting to come
I was just thinking a moment ago... we should definlity either include an LCD or include room for an LCD.
if we include an LCD a micro controller could very easilty work... both the microcontroller and LCD (without the backlight) require less than 20mA of power to run (which is less than an LED). and could very easily allow you to control modchip on/off, bios bank #, and hdd number before the xbox is even turned on.
then you get into the issue of what color backlight you go with and what size etc.
as for what size hole we leave I'd imagine the 2 most popular sizes are 4x20 and 2x20 with the smaller font. that gives us a set width and perhapse we could have easy knock out panels to allow for variying heights. Another idea here is to have a large removable pannel and people can buy a replacment pannel that has a properly sized hole for the LCD.
selling this thing I invision several levels:
1. bare case, for people who like how it looks and just want to throw an xbox in there.
2. electronics, includes the electronics that control hdd switching/modchip bank and power, etc
3. LEDs, the appropriate # of LEDs to light the case, available in various colors
4. LCD, choice of LCD size and color, includes mounting plate.
5. Modchip, self explanitory
I'd invision these all as separate items that could be bought in packages for a lower cost than buying them individually. Just a though
if we include an LCD a micro controller could very easilty work... both the microcontroller and LCD (without the backlight) require less than 20mA of power to run (which is less than an LED). and could very easily allow you to control modchip on/off, bios bank #, and hdd number before the xbox is even turned on.
then you get into the issue of what color backlight you go with and what size etc.
as for what size hole we leave I'd imagine the 2 most popular sizes are 4x20 and 2x20 with the smaller font. that gives us a set width and perhapse we could have easy knock out panels to allow for variying heights. Another idea here is to have a large removable pannel and people can buy a replacment pannel that has a properly sized hole for the LCD.
selling this thing I invision several levels:
1. bare case, for people who like how it looks and just want to throw an xbox in there.
2. electronics, includes the electronics that control hdd switching/modchip bank and power, etc
3. LEDs, the appropriate # of LEDs to light the case, available in various colors
4. LCD, choice of LCD size and color, includes mounting plate.
5. Modchip, self explanitory
I'd invision these all as separate items that could be bought in packages for a lower cost than buying them individually. Just a though
| QUOTE (Palmore @ May 16 2004, 11:36 PM) |
| Another thing to keep in mind, if we do go Dual DVD, we'll have to have a switch for this also, dual eject buttons? or single? =P my 2 fave designs have dual hehe. |
Since in any design I can think of only 1 DVD would have power at any time what would be the purpose of 2 eject buttons other that the "cool factor"? Cool factor is an answer to a lot of mods and I'm good with that.
I also don't want to sound stupid but how many reasons are there to have 2 DVDs in the first place?
Modular mounts would probably be the way to go, one side would be the HDD array and the other DVD array. HDD side, 2 or 4 HDD mount (or they could all be 4 HDD arrays and the extra space could be used by the modder for something else. DVD side, 1 DVD stock or 616T or one of each or 2 of each.
And all of those combinations drop right in to one case. Later if the person decided to upgrade to a 616T they could possibly purchase a tray and drop it in, no cutting involved.
Another idea would be 2 case designs. 1 would be a 2/4 HDD 1 DVD standard model and the other a more expensive 4 HDD 2 DVD model.
Might also make a standard 2.5" hole in the top of this thing so jewel choices can be made.
Sorry just rambling ideas...
Modular "bay" in the rear. Maybe standard PC 5.25 drive bay size. Covers could be created for a 4 port hub or a 5 port router. In my case I would use that area for 2nd set of controller ports and a second PS as if I had the big 4 HDD 2 DVD version I'd be cramming as many consoles as I could get in there. First off Dual Xboxes.
Modular bays on the front and rear is also a thought. That way 3rd parties could make and sell "aftermarket" bay covers to cater to any taste. I for one would LOVE to cut a 5.00 modular bay cover than a 50.00-75.00 case.
Obviously there is NO cool factor in this just an idea to build on....
Modular bays
I grabbed my pencil and marker.. took some time off of doing the 100% modified comic for xs.. and jotted down my concept thoughts.
Influenced partly on the original xdeck concept. But improved upon by the idea we've been tossing around...
Url for the same pic.. but bigger (1.5 MB, 2700x2700 B&W)
Big Ass Pic
Concept is simple.. few parts as possible.. no crazy cuts or angles.
6 large flat parts.. cut to size to form the shell.
Front Panel would have 2 Holes cuts for DVD drives, one stock, one Pc Reader. Other holes to be cut for a 4x20 LCD We do not include this unit.. customer buys this separate and mounts in the hole we precut/provide), Rotary Switch Hole Pre-drilled and mounted (we include the rotary switch) Hole pre-cut and a Digital display mounted (we include the display)
Interior: Racks made from same Plexi (possibly thinner) to hold the 4 HDS and 2 DVD in place. Use minimal amount of plexi needed.. with simpest/fewest cuts. Rack Pre-drilled to all drives to be normally screw mounted.
Top: "x" or other pre-determined design to be ETCHED on the top sheet of plexi by No Remorse. Using the exact same process he uses for Jewels.. he can detail the case any way we see fit.. and with any lighting added to the unit by the customer.. it will highlight along anything he etches in it.
Rear Panel: 4 Holes minimum need to be cut.. NIC, Video, Fan, and Power Supply. Other holes can be optionally cut.
Estimated Plexi sheets: 6 Large one for outer shell, 4 uprights inside the case for the drives, and 2-3 as cross-over and supports. Also.. 2 small parts cut to fill LCD hole, and PC DVD hole in case user does not use that feature. Total Plexi parts, all square-type cuts.. 14-16 parts.. which is great cause it allow us to ship this FLAT for a huge savings on shipping.
Total Parts: (that we would include in the shipping product)
Shell assembly: 8 3/4 inch plexi Cubes. Shell Screws together by placing a cube in each corner and screwing from the outside in. Each Cube would be pre-drilled with 3 holes for a really sturdy fit and feel.
Rotary Switch, Digial HD Selection Display "0" and DVD drvie selection button/switch
We don't include any LEDS, and no funky HD Switching hardware like a TRIOS OS or custom. Not needed. People can power the unit down to switch HD's/DVD drives.
So.. based on this simple design.. I'd love to hear the costs.. from this simple pic.. you can easily cost this out. Whole case can be made from a single sheet of Plexi 4.5x4 feet max. Add the cost of the Rotary, digital Hd display, and dvd switch.. and you have the total cost of a custom plexi case that can easily be further customized by the customer.
Someone wanna tally this up? NR.. what's the cost of the plexi in this equation? Ballpark? From my estimation.. this case still easily sits in the less than 50$ range. (as it is.. and shipped to the customer.) Customer could easily double and triple the value of this case with the optional lighting, LCD display, DVD drive, etc.
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Optionally..
We can pre-drill holes for LEDs in popular spot like above the controller ports.. and dedicate a corner of the front panel for LAN LINK and HD fludder LEDS.
My design does not take into consideration USB dedicate ports.. but there is ample room.. either under the fron 4x20 LCD.. or anywhere in the back or sides.
the Top can ship with a piano hinge so it can open like a breif case.
We can also pre-drill for popular lighting in key spots.
Feet.. I know it's the last thing anyone thinks about.. but some basic Rubber non-skid/marking rubber feet should be worked into this somethere I think.
Influenced partly on the original xdeck concept. But improved upon by the idea we've been tossing around...
Url for the same pic.. but bigger (1.5 MB, 2700x2700 B&W)
Big Ass Pic
Concept is simple.. few parts as possible.. no crazy cuts or angles.
6 large flat parts.. cut to size to form the shell.
Front Panel would have 2 Holes cuts for DVD drives, one stock, one Pc Reader. Other holes to be cut for a 4x20 LCD We do not include this unit.. customer buys this separate and mounts in the hole we precut/provide), Rotary Switch Hole Pre-drilled and mounted (we include the rotary switch) Hole pre-cut and a Digital display mounted (we include the display)
Interior: Racks made from same Plexi (possibly thinner) to hold the 4 HDS and 2 DVD in place. Use minimal amount of plexi needed.. with simpest/fewest cuts. Rack Pre-drilled to all drives to be normally screw mounted.
Top: "x" or other pre-determined design to be ETCHED on the top sheet of plexi by No Remorse. Using the exact same process he uses for Jewels.. he can detail the case any way we see fit.. and with any lighting added to the unit by the customer.. it will highlight along anything he etches in it.
Rear Panel: 4 Holes minimum need to be cut.. NIC, Video, Fan, and Power Supply. Other holes can be optionally cut.
Estimated Plexi sheets: 6 Large one for outer shell, 4 uprights inside the case for the drives, and 2-3 as cross-over and supports. Also.. 2 small parts cut to fill LCD hole, and PC DVD hole in case user does not use that feature. Total Plexi parts, all square-type cuts.. 14-16 parts.. which is great cause it allow us to ship this FLAT for a huge savings on shipping.
Total Parts: (that we would include in the shipping product)
Shell assembly: 8 3/4 inch plexi Cubes. Shell Screws together by placing a cube in each corner and screwing from the outside in. Each Cube would be pre-drilled with 3 holes for a really sturdy fit and feel.
Rotary Switch, Digial HD Selection Display "0" and DVD drvie selection button/switch
We don't include any LEDS, and no funky HD Switching hardware like a TRIOS OS or custom. Not needed. People can power the unit down to switch HD's/DVD drives.
So.. based on this simple design.. I'd love to hear the costs.. from this simple pic.. you can easily cost this out. Whole case can be made from a single sheet of Plexi 4.5x4 feet max. Add the cost of the Rotary, digital Hd display, and dvd switch.. and you have the total cost of a custom plexi case that can easily be further customized by the customer.
Someone wanna tally this up? NR.. what's the cost of the plexi in this equation? Ballpark? From my estimation.. this case still easily sits in the less than 50$ range. (as it is.. and shipped to the customer.) Customer could easily double and triple the value of this case with the optional lighting, LCD display, DVD drive, etc.
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Optionally..
We can pre-drill holes for LEDs in popular spot like above the controller ports.. and dedicate a corner of the front panel for LAN LINK and HD fludder LEDS.
My design does not take into consideration USB dedicate ports.. but there is ample room.. either under the fron 4x20 LCD.. or anywhere in the back or sides.
the Top can ship with a piano hinge so it can open like a breif case.
We can also pre-drill for popular lighting in key spots.
Feet.. I know it's the last thing anyone thinks about.. but some basic Rubber non-skid/marking rubber feet should be worked into this somethere I think.
SAme idea.. but with coloured or smoked/frosted plexi.. would look sharp. especially when optionally internally lit up.
| QUOTE (Ben999_ @ May 16 2004, 10:29 PM) |
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Cool design..
I like it.. but at the same time.. I personally think we save time and money by keeping the cuts SIMPLE. square/rectangles whereever possible.
The double layer for the top X would look sweet lit up.. but I think allowing NR to etch a desired design would be better.
| QUOTE (Birdtales @ May 17 2004, 09:56 AM) |
| Obviously there is NO cool factor in this just an idea to build on.... Modular bays |
definitely merit/value to the idea of modular bays/covers
Hmm.. let's not forget another option.. a carrying handle.
No matter what design we ultimately choose.. it will be heavy.. especially when fully loaded. A good quality Handly would be an asset.
We could include on that can be screwed to the case.. or cut holes in one of the panels big enough to provide a grip area.
No matter what design we ultimately choose.. it will be heavy.. especially when fully loaded. A good quality Handly would be an asset.
We could include on that can be screwed to the case.. or cut holes in one of the panels big enough to provide a grip area.
I'm not sure if this has been suggested, but, what would be neat is a removeable hdd slot (that ran on rails or something) so you could easily swap in any hdd you want. Want to watch movies? swap in your movie drive, want to play party games, swap in your party games hdd etc. I like the idea of the LCD display, that looks nice, the 4 controllers in one area is great too, as it makes things more compact, and gives you more room on the inside, the case is a great idea, but mine usually goes in a bag with all the controllers etc, what would also be good is a carrying case for the unit, 4 controllers, and the required audio/video cables, with the logo on the outside or something. More idea's to come.
Rails/sliders of some sort.. has been a popular idea in discussion I've had with people. Definitely something to consider.
If we keep the game controller ports in the position they are now.. the user doesn't have to worry about doing any wire extension to their ports.
Moving 1/2 to the 3/4 side.. would likley result in having to extend those wires. Now.. it isn't a hard thing to do by any means.. but the less they have to do to gedt up and running the better (IMO)
If we keep the game controller ports in the position they are now.. the user doesn't have to worry about doing any wire extension to their ports.
Moving 1/2 to the 3/4 side.. would likley result in having to extend those wires. Now.. it isn't a hard thing to do by any means.. but the less they have to do to gedt up and running the better (IMO)
Here's one of the idea's I had last night, cept I can't find my scanner power cord still lol time for corel draw
I'm thinking I can actually get this case the SAME size as the xbox case.. howso?
Well, the PowerSupply has been moved and inverted on the let side of the mobo, where there's less to interfere. On top, space for 2 DVDs, there's the typical height of the xbox. then with the space you save by moving the PSU, you can add 2 rows of hard drives, one on the left and one on the right, each 2 deep.
This could also make a removable HDD alil easier.
It would also have plenty of room for the LCD, 2 USB, and other ports. I think dual 80mm fan placements in the rear would suite nicely.
My other idea doesn't same as cost effective, it'd be the same layout as your standard xbox, cept 2 dvds rather then one, and the harddrive mount in a raised X top. 1 drive per leg of the raised X. but that'd add ALOT more peices and cost to the project =/
handles are cool, we just have to fiqure where and what kind. placement is key. some ppl stack crap on top of there box, and others may not want a handle or 2 sticking out from the top, they could also just be an option in the "deluxe kit" or just in the options list. Cut out holes might work, or would they just be dust dust vacuums?.. I Guess with the addition of fans, intakes holes are needed =)
more to come, I gotta hit the garage for abit and work on the terabox too
I'm thinking I can actually get this case the SAME size as the xbox case..
howso?Well, the PowerSupply has been moved and inverted on the let side of the mobo, where there's less to interfere. On top, space for 2 DVDs, there's the typical height of the xbox. then with the space you save by moving the PSU, you can add 2 rows of hard drives, one on the left and one on the right, each 2 deep.
This could also make a removable HDD alil easier.
It would also have plenty of room for the LCD, 2 USB, and other ports. I think dual 80mm fan placements in the rear would suite nicely.
My other idea doesn't same as cost effective, it'd be the same layout as your standard xbox, cept 2 dvds rather then one, and the harddrive mount in a raised X top. 1 drive per leg of the raised X. but that'd add ALOT more peices and cost to the project =/
handles are cool, we just have to fiqure where and what kind. placement is key. some ppl stack crap on top of there box, and others may not want a handle or 2 sticking out from the top, they could also just be an option in the "deluxe kit" or just in the options list. Cut out holes might work, or would they just be dust dust vacuums?.. I Guess with the addition of fans, intakes holes are needed =)
more to come, I gotta hit the garage for abit and work on the terabox too
What about putting all 4 of the controller ports in the center of the panel, leaving plenty of room for everything else, and hopefully avoid having to extend the controller port wires? As for the power/eject panel, how about moving it to the top front of the case? IMO, it would look quite unique/cool, as well as leave more than sufficient room to add 2 dvd drives on top of each other on one side, and 2-4 hard drives on the other side, with an LCD in front of the hard drives.
I might see about drawing up some rough sketches when I get the time, if anyone is interested in the idea...
I might see about drawing up some rough sketches when I get the time, if anyone is interested in the idea...
As far as a handle is concerned I think putting it on the back would make the most sense. Since you could still stack things on top of the box. Also the handle would not affect the overall appearance of the box if it was on the back.
Edit: I was thinking about it and maybe you could just incorporate a way to use a strap (ie: lanboy pc case) instead of a handle. This would make it easier to carry and also the strap could be removed if you aren't going to be transporting the box.
Edit: I was thinking about it and maybe you could just incorporate a way to use a strap (ie: lanboy pc case) instead of a handle. This would make it easier to carry and also the strap could be removed if you aren't going to be transporting the box.
I know we've been going on with plexi because that's what our buddy can CNC but I'd seriously consider aluminum cut and polished to our specs from an abrasive water-jet cutting place.
another thing to consider is sheet metal bending of steel (a-la most PC cases)
perhapse a combination of the 3 would be nice.... for instance an aluminum face with sheet metal steel innards/side/bottom/back and a plexi top?
right now I have 2 designs drawn up, one is a very utilitarian design that would compliment a home theatre system (similar to that german aluminum case) and the other is an angular version of the stock case with some minor re-arangment.
for estimating costs. manufacturer parts cost is typically 1/3rd of the final price. at least thats how I've always been taught to estimated it.
another thing yeah it would be cool to put some cool lighting and windows etc in there. but that takes all the fun out of modding it. I think if we provide a good soild case with a lot of modding potential we'll have the best bet.
I've been thinking about this design for a while and I think we really need to determine what is that we really NEED in this case, I mean how many people really want a 2nd DVD drive? do people need 2 3 or 4 hard drives? how many people actually use more than one bios?
I think a well written survey is in order. get some market research data in here instead of just speculation.
-How many xboxes do you own? (#)
-Do you use Xbox Live? (yes, no, possibly in the future)
-How many DVD drives do you have or would like to have in your xbox? (0,1,2)
-How mand Hard drives do you have or would like to have in your xbox? (0,1,2,3,4)
-What is your perfered method of modding (modchip/tsop flash/exploit/no bios mods)
-Asside from switching between a hacked bios and the stock bios how many different hack bioses do you typically use on the same xbox? (1,2,3,4)
-Have you done or plan on doing any sort of case mods to your xbox, ie. painting, dvd window, leds ,etc. (yes, no, no but I'd like to get into it)
-do you use a dvd dongle/remote? (yes, no, no but I'm gonna get one)
-do you use xIR [a device to turn on and off your xbox by the DVD remote]? (yes, no, no but it sounds like something i'd use)
-do you use or ever plan to use Xbox Linux? (yes, no)
-do you have or ever plan on installing USB ports? (yes, no)
-what type of output do you use for video? (RCA,S-video,HD,RGB,VGA,V-port)
-what type of output do you use for audio? (RCA,optical,coaxial,V-port)
-do you have or would you like to have an Character LCD in your xbox? (yes they seem kind of cool, no they're completely useless, no they're too expensive)
-when buying a replacment case for your xbox, if it were just a bare replacment case whats the absolute most you would be willing to pay? (20-30, 30-40, 40-50, 50-60,60-70,70-80,80+)
-When buying a replacment case what are the physical looks you'd like?
[choose one from each catagory]
+looks like a PC/looks like an xbox/ looks like stereo equipment+
+aluminum look/shet metal (pc case panels) look/plastic look/plexiglas look+
+portable (small)/stereo equipment size (medium/roughly the same size as stock)/large enough for tons of mods (large/much larger than stock)+
these are just some suggestions for questions, please add/ change etc questions to this list... and keep in mind wording them such that the responces you get are easily quantifiable.
typically when designing a product you'll do 3 surveys. the first survey is to get an idea of what people want/need to give you a direction to go in your design. then you create lots of prototypes/sketches/models etc/ and a lot of different versions of the same thing, then you survey again to see what people like/dont like/would make changes to. etc. then you finalize the product and make a final prototype and survey a third time to confirm that eveything you did was in the right direction and make any last minute changes to the design before production.
but I'd seriously consider aluminum cut and polished to our specs from an abrasive water-jet cutting place. another thing to consider is sheet metal bending of steel (a-la most PC cases)
perhapse a combination of the 3 would be nice.... for instance an aluminum face with sheet metal steel innards/side/bottom/back and a plexi top?
right now I have 2 designs drawn up, one is a very utilitarian design that would compliment a home theatre system (similar to that german aluminum case) and the other is an angular version of the stock case with some minor re-arangment.
for estimating costs. manufacturer parts cost is typically 1/3rd of the final price. at least thats how I've always been taught to estimated it.
another thing yeah it would be cool to put some cool lighting and windows etc in there. but that takes all the fun out of modding it. I think if we provide a good soild case with a lot of modding potential we'll have the best bet.
I've been thinking about this design for a while and I think we really need to determine what is that we really NEED in this case, I mean how many people really want a 2nd DVD drive? do people need 2 3 or 4 hard drives? how many people actually use more than one bios?
I think a well written survey is in order. get some market research data in here instead of just speculation.
-How many xboxes do you own? (#)
-Do you use Xbox Live? (yes, no, possibly in the future)
-How many DVD drives do you have or would like to have in your xbox? (0,1,2)
-How mand Hard drives do you have or would like to have in your xbox? (0,1,2,3,4)
-What is your perfered method of modding (modchip/tsop flash/exploit/no bios mods)
-Asside from switching between a hacked bios and the stock bios how many different hack bioses do you typically use on the same xbox? (1,2,3,4)
-Have you done or plan on doing any sort of case mods to your xbox, ie. painting, dvd window, leds ,etc. (yes, no, no but I'd like to get into it)
-do you use a dvd dongle/remote? (yes, no, no but I'm gonna get one)
-do you use xIR [a device to turn on and off your xbox by the DVD remote]? (yes, no, no but it sounds like something i'd use)
-do you use or ever plan to use Xbox Linux? (yes, no)
-do you have or ever plan on installing USB ports? (yes, no)
-what type of output do you use for video? (RCA,S-video,HD,RGB,VGA,V-port)
-what type of output do you use for audio? (RCA,optical,coaxial,V-port)
-do you have or would you like to have an Character LCD in your xbox? (yes they seem kind of cool, no they're completely useless, no they're too expensive)
-when buying a replacment case for your xbox, if it were just a bare replacment case whats the absolute most you would be willing to pay? (20-30, 30-40, 40-50, 50-60,60-70,70-80,80+)
-When buying a replacment case what are the physical looks you'd like?
[choose one from each catagory]
+looks like a PC/looks like an xbox/ looks like stereo equipment+
+aluminum look/shet metal (pc case panels) look/plastic look/plexiglas look+
+portable (small)/stereo equipment size (medium/roughly the same size as stock)/large enough for tons of mods (large/much larger than stock)+
these are just some suggestions for questions, please add/ change etc questions to this list... and keep in mind wording them such that the responces you get are easily quantifiable.
typically when designing a product you'll do 3 surveys. the first survey is to get an idea of what people want/need to give you a direction to go in your design. then you create lots of prototypes/sketches/models etc/ and a lot of different versions of the same thing, then you survey again to see what people like/dont like/would make changes to. etc. then you finalize the product and make a final prototype and survey a third time to confirm that eveything you did was in the right direction and make any last minute changes to the design before production.
Theres some good ideas going on here! this project is looking pretty nice! how about making a hard drive option kind of like on a ps2? where you could slide in the hard drive threw the back Having them on the sides like in this picture is a cool idea
edit forgot the other dvd was in place
edit forgot the other dvd was in place
This is my concept for a new case. Similar to the xdeck really, but more of a regular xbox, but then it doesnt have a normal top, but another bottom of an xbox ontop of it kinda. Similar in design, but mines cooler cuz...i dunno.
It would make use of 4 hard drives if wanted, 4 bioses connected to current modchips, maybe the modchip teams could work with the case kinda like how Xecuter are making those big bulky switches for the xbox now (kinda cool). Anyway, here's the pic:
it's not the best but it's my 2 cents.
It would make use of 4 hard drives if wanted, 4 bioses connected to current modchips, maybe the modchip teams could work with the case kinda like how Xecuter are making those big bulky switches for the xbox now (kinda cool). Anyway, here's the pic:
it's not the best but it's my 2 cents.
| QUOTE (twistedsymphony @ May 17 2004, 01:14 PM) |
| I think a well written survey is in order. get some market research data in here instead of just speculation. |
Sounds like a good way to start up the polls again, but with a twist. Make a survey linked on the news section, and Im sure plenty of users will see it and reply. Why not use the outlet that youve already built up right? Plus this will answer all those, 'When is the poll comming back' questions.
Im sure some/most of you already have looked at Tribemods.com. They are just using a PC case to pop an Xbox into, but they have some kits as well for those making their own cases. Extender cables for power, controller ports, ATX power supply converters. I mention them to give you guys some ideas about how to market this stuff, maybe sell the extra things, like the LEDs, LCDs, face plate cut outs, etc in kits forms, so that the case itself can be as appealling to as large an audience it can, i.e someone with a older mod chip may not want a hole for an LCD on his case. Maybe just score the material on the inside of the case so its easily removable for those that want to do it.
Just some thoughts, maybe good, maybe bad, but Im SigTom, and I approved of this message.
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ May 17 2004, 10:42 AM) |
| Cool design.. I like it.. but at the same time.. I personally think we save time and money by keeping the cuts SIMPLE. square/rectangles whereever possible. The double layer for the top X would look sweet lit up.. but I think allowing NR to etch a desired design would be better. |
oh ok, I didn't know you guys were going for really simple designs here. So basically it's just placement that is the design. Since now we're limiting it to a box pretty much
. I think it will look a lot cooler if it's not entirely acrylic. Entirely clear cases usually don't look very good. It takes away most of the possibilities for lighting except for the "huge ass light inside the box" effect, and it never looks as clean.
A cool skeleton design with acrylic windows would be cool. And i dont think people would want it to be twice the size of the origonal xbox. And give the back a little clearance for a few fans.
| QUOTE (Ben999_ @ May 17 2004, 02:19 PM) |
| oh ok, I didn't know you guys were going for really simple designs here. So basically it's just placement that is the design. Since now we're limiting it to a box pretty much . I think it will look a lot cooler if it's not entirely acrylic. Entirely clear cases usually don't look very good. It takes away most of the possibilities for lighting except for the "huge ass light inside the box" effect, and it never looks as clean. |
We aren't limited to plexi or acrylic at all at this point. Just tossing around the ideas. Common sense tells us it will likely be the winning choice of material.. as anyone can do it.. and it's relatively cheap and accessible.
We're in contact with 2 mold people now.. to see what can be done that way. Injection molding is a bitch and expensive.. but there are some cheaper alternative.. and some are possible to do in a home workshop.
Keep tossing the ideas around. Team Leader will formalize the feature set and team by the weekend.
I think you are on to something with that design palmore. the the rear 2 hard drives could be the removable ones that would work out really well . . . I like it and the 2 dvd drives in their locations. good to keep the controller ports nice and low as well so they do not interfere with the DVD drive because i dont think we want to get into that mess. one thing though hdd standing up along the side?? will it fit? unless you find smaller hard drives than the ones i have seen im thinking it might not however i could also be very wrong.
EDIT: also for now i think wee need to focus on function rather than forum. when we get our design mastered in how it works we can make it look sweet later but wait until we have everything fitting before we go trying to make some off the wall sweet design to make it look as sweet as it is.
EDIT: also for now i think wee need to focus on function rather than forum. when we get our design mastered in how it works we can make it look sweet later but wait until we have everything fitting before we go trying to make some off the wall sweet design to make it look as sweet as it is.
I think that no extra dvd drive slots are needed. Also another thing to take in consideration is the IDE cable that will have to be made, just thought of that.
did I miss this or has this just not been discussed?
what about the audio/video output?
are we going to use the stock outputs or are we going to do the Composite, S-Video etc??
just a thought it may depend on which method we choose to go with. If we decide to send it to them flat as just the case probably not but we will have to see.
what about the audio/video output?
are we going to use the stock outputs or are we going to do the Composite, S-Video etc??
just a thought it may depend on which method we choose to go with. If we decide to send it to them flat as just the case probably not but we will have to see.
it would be cool to do Composite, S-Video outputs. along with stock outputs but that just means more money and hassel. Maybe Put holes for the outputs in-case the buyer wants to install them some day.
The HDD on it's side is about 1/4th of an inch taller then the xbox case. that in mind we could add another 1/4th inch for clearence etc, and only be a half inch taller then the xbox.
After some real world looks at the parts, having 2 DVDs side by side, then the HDD's on the sides, it'd be alil wider then the xbox also, cause you can't fit the HDD's under the DVD roms, so to trim it down, it'd have to be a 1 DVD version.
HSDemonz, whats the possibility of getting a Poll or Survey like what's been discussed on the front page? cough hehe
The official Team will be announced Friday, at that point we can decide if I shall continue to be the project lead, or if we'd like to vote in a new canidate. I would like to stay, but this is an open forum, and I want everyone to have a say and make sure it's fair =)
But again, for the feature list, I do think some form of survey, poll or other means of market analysis.
As with plexi, yeah we're not limited too this, though it is seeming to be the most feesable. Market research would tell us whats more in demand.
If we didn't wanna go clear plexi only, there's the painted plexi with stuff etched into it (IE NeO529's PC panels) there's mirrored plexi (Back and base could be this) and tinted or solid colored.
Aluminum would be pimp also, Who would have access to some tooling to work with this?
After some real world looks at the parts, having 2 DVDs side by side, then the HDD's on the sides, it'd be alil wider then the xbox also, cause you can't fit the HDD's under the DVD roms, so to trim it down, it'd have to be a 1 DVD version.
HSDemonz, whats the possibility of getting a Poll or Survey like what's been discussed on the front page? cough hehe
The official Team will be announced Friday, at that point we can decide if I shall continue to be the project lead, or if we'd like to vote in a new canidate. I would like to stay, but this is an open forum, and I want everyone to have a say and make sure it's fair =)
But again, for the feature list, I do think some form of survey, poll or other means of market analysis.
As with plexi, yeah we're not limited too this, though it is seeming to be the most feesable. Market research would tell us whats more in demand.
If we didn't wanna go clear plexi only, there's the painted plexi with stuff etched into it (IE NeO529's PC panels) there's mirrored plexi (Back and base could be this) and tinted or solid colored.
Aluminum would be pimp also, Who would have access to some tooling to work with this?
I can CNC it at my school. I also have design programs such as auto-cad solid works, camworks, etc. I dont know if thats any help to you.
I can do just about anything in solidworks
I think palmore would make a great team leader. I personally dont want to be team leader, simply for the fact that i dont have the free time for that position, but I'd love to be part of the team.
also try different things with the design. my purity box has the mobo diagonal inside to allow for a footprint smaller than the dimensions of that actual mobo.
also has anyone considered putting the DVD and HDD BELOW the mobo... so the mobo is on the top of the case instead of the bottom
I just keep having this image of a sleek simple box with a an acrylic top so you can see themobo and there's a hole in the back right where the CPU heat sync pops out the top kind of like a blower on a funny car
I think palmore would make a great team leader. I personally dont want to be team leader, simply for the fact that i dont have the free time for that position, but I'd love to be part of the team.
also try different things with the design. my purity box has the mobo diagonal inside to allow for a footprint smaller than the dimensions of that actual mobo.
also has anyone considered putting the DVD and HDD BELOW the mobo... so the mobo is on the top of the case instead of the bottom
I just keep having this image of a sleek simple box with a an acrylic top so you can see themobo and there's a hole in the back right where the CPU heat sync pops out the top kind of like a blower on a funny car
I think we should prob make prototype parts out a PVC, much cheaper then plexi.
and easy to machine. I am sure there is going to be alot of tweaking and changeing as we go. This would keep those cost down until we finalize a design.
Once toolpaths are finalized, they can be made from whatever material with
minor tweaks to speeds & feeds.
Also I was talking to a friend today that claims he has a friend who owns
an injection molding biz. I am going to see what info I can find out from
him on cost of doing such a project.
My 2 cents for today.
NR
and easy to machine. I am sure there is going to be alot of tweaking and changeing as we go. This would keep those cost down until we finalize a design.
Once toolpaths are finalized, they can be made from whatever material with
minor tweaks to speeds & feeds.
Also I was talking to a friend today that claims he has a friend who owns
an injection molding biz. I am going to see what info I can find out from
him on cost of doing such a project.
My 2 cents for today.
NR
This is a great idea but I don't think there's a need for two DVD's anymore...unless someone creates some dvd burning software for the xbox. Otherwise, you could buy a Samsung with the money you saved on design. They are pretty easy to get if you look. I also think you should provide a/v output options. Such as Composite, S-Vid, Component, Optical, and maybe even a spot where you could integrate the VGA adapter if you wanted to. Maybe you could make some sort of perforated holes that could be easily punched out to fit our needs. Keep up the good work!!
Just a thought.. Why limit your ideas to expanding the Xbox's height?
Most home theater equipment is around 18" wide.. the xbox is around 12".. I've been longing for the xbox to fit in more with my amps and reciever and all since I bought the thing
Most home theater equipment is around 18" wide.. the xbox is around 12".. I've been longing for the xbox to fit in more with my amps and reciever and all since I bought the thing
| QUOTE (twistedsymphony @ May 17 2004, 06:09 PM) |
| also has anyone considered putting the DVD and HDD BELOW the mobo... so the mobo is on the top of the case instead of the bottom |
I love this idea. a clear case so you can see the top of 2 DVD drives does leave a lot to be desired.
ok just due to the space issue . . . etc what if we made one of the dvd drives a plug in for the back or something i mean lets face it who needs both dvd drives all the time
one will be for burning and the other for playing/reading for the burn. so make the burning one something you plug in. to the back or something.
however it would be cool to be able to take the whole thing somewhere and have it all in one nice package burner included. thats why we are trying to keep it small.
or as small as the original.
In looking at my xbox today i was thinking you could do something similar to what palmore suggested with the HDDs on the side except i would bet that your could fit one in behind everything . . . you know that space where everyone puts their CC inverters. so and 2 on the side leaving a third location to be decided.
i also like the rasied X idea this may be the way to go althought it does add peices
Im not really familar with CnC routers my buddy is in sinage and from what he has told me adding a couple extra pieces isint a big deal.
personally I would love a smoke acryllic idea . . . . im in mad love with the smoke xbox from Japan . . . i wish i had one.
one will be for burning and the other for playing/reading for the burn. so make the burning one something you plug in. to the back or something.
however it would be cool to be able to take the whole thing somewhere and have it all in one nice package burner included. thats why we are trying to keep it small.
or as small as the original.
In looking at my xbox today i was thinking you could do something similar to what palmore suggested with the HDDs on the side except i would bet that your could fit one in behind everything . . . you know that space where everyone puts their CC inverters. so and 2 on the side leaving a third location to be decided.
i also like the rasied X idea this may be the way to go althought it does add peices
Im not really familar with CnC routers my buddy is in sinage and from what he has told me adding a couple extra pieces isint a big deal.
personally I would love a smoke acryllic idea . . . . im in mad love with the smoke xbox from Japan . . . i wish i had one.
| QUOTE (IITangoCrazy @ May 17 2004, 05:36 PM) |
| ok just due to the space issue . . . etc what if we made one of the dvd drives a plug in for the back or something i mean lets face it who needs both dvd drives all the time one will be for burning and the other for playing/reading for the burn. so make the burning one something you plug in. to the back or something. |
That sounds cool with the whole modular bay idea. Leave one open bay, and allow it to slide out, with a standard IDE and power connector. This way HDD or DVDROM can be selected. (although I really don't even see the need for the second DVD).
This might be confusing with the whole IDE selection, but it's doable (toggle for modular bay HDD/CDROM).
I like the modular bay concept. I have two Xboxes, and I would have preferred to have just switched HDD's. Plus, it could help out with the growing threat of HDD banning.
My idea for the day.
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