Just curious?

Do we say what we want to happen or what will really happen?

What will actually happen.

correct me if I'm wrong, but I think its the bios that gets detected by XBLive...not the chip. Right? If it was the chip itself, then everyone would just flash their tsop to play on Live. Only thing that might happen is we get some kind of phantom bios that can piggyback ontop of the original and make itself invisible to Live. Of course I'm not too familiar with the way BIOS's work so I can't be sure thats possible.

QUOTE (Tribal Kult @ Jan 9 2003, 03:57 AM)

Do we say what we want to happen or what will really happen?

I just wanted you guys to take a poll. But if input on whatever you want.

it's not the modchip beign detected. technically any chip, even the xodus chip is not detected if you use the original bios. now what you want to say is will we ever have a bios not detectable by live. let's hope so.

so your saying that its only detected if you have like evolution x on there or something? if you are should I be alright I have an enigmah-x ionstalled but I havent done anything other than install that no evolution x or nexgen. So will I be detected?
Thanks

QUOTE (davidhes @ Jan 10 2003, 06:30 AM)

so your saying that its only detected if you have like evolution x on there or something? if you are should I be alright I have an enigmah-x ionstalled but I havent done anything other than install that no evolution x or nexgen. So will I be detected? Thanks

no it will get detected if its enabled when you go on xblive. Every modchip has an unsigned BIOS installed on it that lets you play backups. Its this unsigned bios that gets detected, not the Dashboard (evolutionX).

they could easily scan the HD for abnormal files, like .xbe's or dumped games.
then wipe the drive to teach us a lesson.

but it would be really bad PR

QUOTE (davidhes @ Jan 10 2003, 06:30 AM)

so your saying that its only detected if you have like evolution x on there or something? if you are should I be alright I have an enigmah-x ionstalled but I havent done anything other than install that no evolution x or nexgen. So will I be detected? Thanks

no, i mean if you have something like the xecuter or evox bios on your chip it will get detected. i'm only talking about chips w/ flashing. if you put something like the original M$ bios on teh chip it would run fine, but that'd be retarded

We need to find out what "exactly" Live checks in the retail bios, before a workaround can be created in a hacked bios.

Even after this is found, I am sure MS$ will just change it...

Ok thanks for the help i guess id better get out 2 radioshack and by a switch and use that tut on the main page!

im not a coder but if we could just make the ram be patched wed be fine

QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Jan 11 2003, 02:54 AM)

im not a coder but if we could just make the ram be patched wed be fine

the bios gets cached when the box boots up....so if we could patch this back to original bios,no backups would work....
i'm sure that there'll be a solution,but how long?

No matter what we do to hack the box M$ will do things in consequences to stop us hacking their baby. They are not dumb they know how we hack them and react in consequences.

It's a cat and mouse game. We find a way to hack they find a way to prevent this, we find a solution to bypass their protection they put another barrier... etc... etc...

I know it's sad but it is what keeps me and others hackers alive.

All i have to say is remember PS1? Mod chips came out for it. When Finall Fantasy 7 came out, it had mod chip detection and if you had one, you couldn't play the game. They came up with "Stealth Mods". then you could play it. It's just a matter of time.

you took the words rite outta my mouth on the stealth mod, i was just about to say that when i say yor post!

QUOTE (MorfiusX @ Jan 11 2003, 04:46 AM)

All i have to say is remember PS1? Mod chips came out for it. When Finall Fantasy 7 came out, it had mod chip detection and if you had one, you couldn't play the game. They came up with "Stealth Mods". then you could play it. It's just a matter of time.

Yeah that's true but at that time Playstation was not online capable.

Online gaming offer more controls to the provider (i.e. M$) over their games. This way they can "keep an eye" over their games. If they saw some new hacks they can react to prevent this. That was not possible before online.

As an example just look at Blizzard with their online games. Many hacks appear there and here but each time they get controlled. Ok maybe sometimes a new hack make its way in a game but it's just a matter of time before it will be stopped.

As soon as somebody works out for sure and certain how the mod-chip/rom gets detected they'll get a workaround.

For instance they may find it simply checks the CRC of the ROM and that's it, then if somebody was to create a ROM which had the same CRC as the original it would work.

In my opinion this will become a lot simpler when somebody designs a ROM from scratch. Without a full understanding of what's going on in that thing there's some things that can't be changed.