Is an eprom generator possible? Something that will generate valid eproms for banned users?

no

Generate how?

Just generate a random eprom... similar to how a lot of key generators out there for generating serial numbers for software.

give m$ a ring and ask them what thier algorithms are fopr generating xbox eeprom data.

or

pretend you are IRS and you want to audit thier console system, so you want samples of lots of eeprom data.

or don't get banned

Maybe if we setup a place for people to submit their banned eproms. If we have enough, we might be able to find a pattern in the different keys that compose the eprom.

lol, this is a funny topic

ya why dont we setup like a site or sumthing and ppl dump there banned eeproms into

How do you plan on Generating "VALID" EEPROMS? Sure you might be able to come up with a generator, but it will end up being like the ones for example CS. You'll make a key that will get the game working, but when it comes to playing online it won't be Authenticated by WON. The same story will take place with M$.

Which proves this whole topic is a joke.

really it's not a joke and here is why:

there are already "brute force" key gens for Windows XP and Ofice XP which have to athenticated by an MS server before they install. Those Key Gens generate a key, then connect to the MS verification server and say "Why, hello. I am a copy of windows xp that is being installed, here is my install key"

Then the MS server is like "That is not a valid key, so go home"

Then the key gen is all like "hmmm... ok, how about this one?" and gives it another key that it generated.

And the MS server is like" nope, sorry, please try again"

And this goes back and forth for like 10 or 15 mins till the key gen says to the server "try this one"

And the MS server says "this one checks out, come on in"

And the Key Gen saves that key to a text file and disconnects from the server.



So, if someone could decode the formula for the Xbox Eprom and if some one used a packet sniffer to figure out the what LIVE says to the Xbox when is has a valid eprom, and what is says to the Xbox when it has an invalid Eprom, you easily make a program that generates eproms and validates them using the live server.

Things that might get in the way of this:

The complexity of the Eprom formula (encrypted?)
The protocol of the Xbox-Live validation (encrypted?)

What if MS figured out how to detect this "brute force" eprom gen and validation method and started black listing all the generated eproms? Thats ok, because the will only hurt them selfs by black listing valid eproms. Imagine what would happen if brand new Xboxes could not go on live becuase MS had already banned the eprom from when on modchip-user had generated this same eprom by chance. It would be a Cust. Serv. nightmare, and a PR debochel.

well, its not that big of a joke since, crackers did the same exact thing as m$ does for windows xp prof, they used a serial generator that generated the millions of serials that were in m$ database and therefore was 100% working and a licenced and non pirated copy from m$ coputers, i still doubt it will happend though

EDIT: whoops didnt see ^^^ post

QUOTE (bagel5009 @ Jan 25 2003, 05:03 PM)

EDIT: whoops didnt see ^^^ post

how could you miss it

Didn't this topic pop up about a month or so ago on this same forum?

As I already stated, this topic is a joke.

QUOTE (shanafan @ Jan 25 2003, 11:42 PM)

As I already stated, this topic is a joke.

and as I stated and EXPLIANED, it is not a joke, as it has already been done with other MS products.

Plus, you could generate someone else's eeprom that is unbanned. If you get banned, then they are too. That would suck.

Assuming an eprom generator (and tester) is possible, once a lot of unmodded xboxes get banned b/c they are unlucky to have their key generated and then banned, MS will have to unban everyone b/c they can't tell who's who.

QUOTE (ChocoboLee @ Jan 28 2003, 01:53 AM)

Assuming an eprom generator (and tester) is possible, once a lot of unmodded xboxes get banned b/c they are unlucky to have their key generated and then banned, MS will have to unban everyone b/c they can't tell who's who.

exactly

Sigh, as I already said, this topic is a JOKE

QUOTE (shanafan @ Jan 29 2003, 02:34 AM)

Sigh, as I already said, this topic is a JOKE

You keep on saying this topic is a joke without any explanation... why do you say that? If you think there is absolutely no way an eprom generator is possible, then tell us why.

Let me get this right.

You want to try and ban every XBox and force MS to unban you so you can use a illegally copied game on XBox live.

If you have the store bought DVD then why the hell would you worry about this.

This is a total joke and waste of time IMO

You want to get gametag banned then fair enough, but dont get the rest od us banned with you

O and before anyone starts on me about

"I would not have bought it anyway" BS save it I have heard it all before.

If you want to try out a game rent it. If you dont like it dont rent it again.

if you know anything about cracking/hacking, you would understand that this is very well possible, but it would be hella fucking hard, since there was way more copies of windows xp than xboxes that are banned/unbanned (and even know whats happening) plus it is a lot easier to find a xp serial number since it is on the documentation, but the xbox requires a lil more work, heh, it is possible, but unlikely it would happend, just like the neo project

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Assuming an eprom generator (and tester) is possible, once a lot of unmodded xboxes get banned b/c they are unlucky to have their key generated and then banned, MS will have to unban everyone b/c they can't tell who's who.

So, because you fucked up, you want to get someone else banned?

ARROWED!!!

QUOTE (Marmite @ Jan 30 2003, 01:33 AM)

ARROWED!!!

Huh?

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as I already said, this topic is a JOKE

I agree....

Why do you people keep worrying about this stuff so damn much? This Xbox Live forum has become the newb forum with a different name. You have a modchip, correct? You bought Xbox Live and wanted to use it with your modded Xbox, correct? You agreed to the terms of service. You were banned because you broke the agreement. If you really want to play it that bad then buy a new Xbox. It's another $200, no big deal. If it's not worth that then it's not worth all this time you people spend coming up with half-ass ideas either. YOU AGREED TO THE RULES. YOU BROKE THE RULES. NOW YOU PAY THE CONSEQUENSES. TAKE IT LIKE A MAN AND DEAL WITH IT. This is not a flame, I'm not trying to start something here. But you have to realize how tiresome these topics are. I don't know how Shanafan handles it.

QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 25 2003, 04:49 PM)

really it's not a joke and here is why: there are already "brute force" key gens for Windows XP and Ofice XP which have to athenticated by an MS server before they install. Those Key Gens generate a key, then connect to the MS verification server and say "Why, hello. I am a copy of windows xp that is being installed, here is my install key" Then the MS server is like "That is not a valid key, so go home" Then the key gen is all like "hmmm... ok, how about this one?" and gives it another key that it generated. And the MS server is like" nope, sorry, please try again" And this goes back and forth for like 10 or 15 mins till the key gen says to the server "try this one" And the MS server says "this one checks out, come on in" And the Key Gen saves that key to a text file and disconnects from the server. So, if someone could decode the formula for the Xbox Eprom and if some one used a packet sniffer to figure out the what LIVE says to the Xbox when is has a valid eprom, and what is says to the Xbox when it has an invalid Eprom, you easily make a program that generates eproms and validates them using the live server. Things that might get in the way of this: The complexity of the Eprom formula (encrypted?) The protocol of the Xbox-Live validation (encrypted?) What if MS figured out how to detect this "brute force" eprom gen and validation method and started black listing all the generated eproms? Thats ok, because the will only hurt them selfs by black listing valid eproms. Imagine what would happen if brand new Xboxes could not go on live becuase MS had already banned the eprom from when on modchip-user had generated this same eprom by chance. It would be a Cust. Serv. nightmare, and a PR debochel.

HAHAHAAHAH i love this one!
so how is it gonna be asking? make a eprom then shut down. make sure the fucking mod chip is not runnin and then turn back on and test it online? then if it is bad to the mod chip on and then make a another eprom? or would it try to connect with a modcip so it can do eproms on the fly which in this case it would ban them anyways sense the MS server can detect mod chips... please fill me in on this shit.

QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 25 2003, 03:49 PM)

really it's not a joke and here is why: there are already "brute force" key gens for Windows XP and Ofice XP which have to athenticated by an MS server before they install. Those Key Gens generate a key, then connect to the MS verification server and say "Why, hello. I am a copy of windows xp that is being installed, here is my install key" Then the MS server is like "That is not a valid key, so go home" Then the key gen is all like "hmmm... ok, how about this one?" and gives it another key that it generated. And the MS server is like" nope, sorry, please try again" And this goes back and forth for like 10 or 15 mins till the key gen says to the server "try this one" And the MS server says "this one checks out, come on in" And the Key Gen saves that key to a text file and disconnects from the server. So, if someone could decode the formula for the Xbox Eprom and if some one used a packet sniffer to figure out the what LIVE says to the Xbox when is has a valid eprom, and what is says to the Xbox when it has an invalid Eprom, you easily make a program that generates eproms and validates them using the live server. Things that might get in the way of this: The complexity of the Eprom formula (encrypted?) The protocol of the Xbox-Live validation (encrypted?) What if MS figured out how to detect this "brute force" eprom gen and validation method and started black listing all the generated eproms? Thats ok, because the will only hurt them selfs by black listing valid eproms. Imagine what would happen if brand new Xboxes could not go on live becuase MS had already banned the eprom from when on modchip-user had generated this same eprom by chance. It would be a Cust. Serv. nightmare, and a PR debochel.

Sorry, you're completely wrong.

The WinXP Activation Keygen doesn't do anything online (and if it did, MS could block it very easily ot just refuse your IP from attempting after x tries).

The key is generated depending on the hardware in your system (try replacing the HDD and reinstalling WinXP with the same key, or even replacing other key hardware components, most cases it will not accept your key, last I heard). They Keygen generates the key based on the algorithm but then also has to check each key to see if it passes for your hardware. This takes many many attempts (200+ when I tried) and doesn't involve your connection to the internet at all.

Do your research next time

QUOTE (smokeingit @ Jan 30 2003, 07:00 AM)

HAHAHAAHAH i love this one! so how is it gonna be asking? make a eprom then shut down. make sure the fucking mod chip is not runnin and then turn back on and test it online? then if it is bad to the mod chip on and then make a another eprom? or would it try to connect with a modcip so it can do eproms on the fly which in this case it would ban them anyways sense the MS server can detect mod chips... please fill me in on this shit.

Because I am not talking about running this epprom gen on the XBOX, but on a PC.

QUOTE (rewen @ Jan 30 2003, 07:01 AM)

Sorry, you're completely wrong. The WinXP Activation Keygen doesn't do anything online (and if it did, MS could block it very easily ot just refuse your IP from attempting after x tries). The key is generated depending on the hardware in your system (try replacing the HDD and reinstalling WinXP with the same key, or even replacing other key hardware components, most cases it will not accept your key, last I heard). They Keygen generates the key based on the algorithm but then also has to check each key to see if it passes for your hardware. This takes many many attempts (200+ when I tried) and doesn't involve your connection to the internet at all. Do your research next time

Sorry, but you are mistaken. The key that you are talking about is teh other side of the activation. I am talking about the "CD Key" that you type in when installing windows. the is a formula to this key, but not all keys that fit the formula have been activated by MS so they have to be tested online first.

This is how the keygen that I have works

Also, you have to make an number of changes to your system befoer you system has to be "re-validdated" by MS. Changeing just you harddrive by it self would not be enough. You house have to change the amount of ram, hardrive, video and then it would ask you to call MS for an updated code.

And you are right that MS could just block you IP, but it's not like it is hard to get another IP.

QUOTE (shanafan @ Jan 29 2003, 03:34 AM)

Sigh, as I already said, this topic is a JOKE

Shanafan.... 1800+ post from 9-2002... man you must be pathetic.

Back up your post if you want to be taken seriously.

It would be VERY illegal to try and hack Xbox Live. Or even to try and generate "keys". As someone already said, YOU agreed to the terms of service (Not playing with a modified box, etc, etc..), YOU should follow your "legally binding" agreement. If you do not, you deserve a ban.

There is no reason to play "backups" on live if they are truely what you say they are, backups of your original, why not just play your originals. If you fuck and and ban yourself like an ass. It's your fault. Go buy another Xbox. It's not expensive at all (perhaps you mother could buy it for you).

If you really must play your "backups" online, use another service, like XBConnect. There is no reason to litter this forum anymore with your childish rants.

Good day.

QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 30 2003, 07:37 AM)

It would be VERY illegal to try and hack Xbox Live. Or even to try and generate "keys". As someone already said, YOU agreed to the terms of service (Not playing with a modified box, etc, etc..), YOU should follow your "legally binding" agreement. If you do not, you deserve a ban. There is no reason to play "backups" on live if they are truely what you say they are, backups of your original, why not just play your originals. If you fuck and and ban yourself like an ass. It's your fault. Go buy another Xbox. It's not expensive at all (perhaps you mother could buy it for you). If you really must play your "backups" online, use another service, like XBConnect. There is no reason to litter this forum anymore with your childish rants. Good day.

er... how does generating epproms let you play back-ups on live? Valid eprom + mod turned on chip still equals ban.

Also, it is very illegal to use a mod chip that uses any of the bioses that are avilable except for the linux one. And it is very illegal to use any of the programs that people use on there XBOX when it is modded becuase they were made with XDK kits with out licence. So there is no need to eve bring up legality. Try not to hurt you self when you step off your high horse.

Learn more about the subject before posting your Childish rants

Good day

I think what they want to do is ban so many ID's that MS will be forced to stop banning XBoxes.

If you think it will be that easy go ahead and try but I dont think it will work.

And if it did work it would be stoped very quickly more than likley

Loke it has been said before.

To make a backup you have to own the game to begin with so play with the store bought copies like everyoe else

QUOTE (No_Name @ Jan 30 2003, 04:59 PM)

Loke it has been said before. To make a backup you have to won the game to begin with so play with the store bought copies like everyoe else

Do you people even read post before replying? I never, ever, evere ever ever ever said anything about playing back ups on live. I am talking about the posibility of making epproms for banned xboxes so that they can get on live again.

Read, comprehend, post

fucktards

And what happens if that ID gest banned and a vaild user gets banned at the same time?

What if it was say the XBox of a developer working on XBox live content and you get their box banned from live?

Just think about it like that

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QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 30 2003, 07:10 AM) Because I am not talking about running this epprom gen on the XBOX, but on a PC.

On a PC?!?!?! i must have given you to much credit before then.... i thought you were not that stupid... but a PC can not go on xbox liVe. those banning the eeprom anyways....

QUOTE (smokeingit @ Jan 30 2003, 08:23 PM)

QUOTE QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 30 2003, 07:10 AM) Because I am not talking about running this epprom gen on the XBOX, but on a PC. On a PC?!?!?! i must have given you to much credit before then.... i thought you were not that stupid... but a PC can not go on xbox liVe. those banning the eeprom anyways....

You really are an idiot. I know that a PC can not go on Live. A pc doesn't have to go on live. The PC would log on the the live servers posing as an Xbox for the perpose of validating the generated eeprom. It doesn't "go on live" to play games or anything else, it just connects to the live validation server to test the eeprom.

I don't know why I am even wasting my time here, this board has the highest consentration of dumbasses I have ever seen save for the IGN forums.

Lowen Na, the fact you degrade people doesn't make you better

QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 30 2003, 02:54 PM)

You really are an idiot. I know that a PC can not go on Live. A pc doesn't have to go on live. The PC would log on the the live servers posing as an Xbox for the perpose of validating the generated eeprom. It doesn't "go on live" to play games or anything else, it just connects to the live validation server to test the eeprom. I don't know why I am even wasting my time here, this board has the highest consentration of dumbasses I have ever seen save for the IGN forums.

Think about this.. You connect to live on your PC with a VALID eeprom.. The server sees that your PC is not an XBOX (not the same bios, etc). THE NEW VALID EEPROM GETS BANNED..

If you run this never to be invented software on an XBOX, the VALID eeprom gets banned because the mod would have to be on for it to work at all.

Simple logic.

QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 30 2003, 10:37 PM)

Think about this.. You connect to live on your PC with a VALID eeprom.. The server sees that your PC is not an XBOX (not the same bios, etc). THE NEW VALID EEPROM GETS BANNED.. If you run this never to be invented software on an XBOX, the VALID eeprom gets banned because the mod would have to be on for it to work at all. Simple logic.

It could be set up to just disconnect.

QUOTE (No_Name @ Jan 30 2003, 10:17 AM)

etc etc etc...

I think I know who you are "No Name".

QUOTE (Marmite @ Jan 30 2003, 02:33 AM)

ARROWED!!!

OOOW, My skin!

PUNT!

Dag, yo.

QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 30 2003, 09:54 PM)

You really are an idiot. I know that a PC can not go on Live. A pc doesn't have to go on live. The PC would log on the the live servers posing as an Xbox for the perpose of validating the generated eeprom. It doesn't "go on live" to play games or anything else, it just connects to the live validation server to test the eeprom. I don't know why I am even wasting my time here, this board has the highest consentration of dumbasses I have ever seen save for the IGN forums.

How am i the Idiot? your the damn ass that cant buy a clue... only way to test a Vaild eeprom is by a non modded XBOX STUPID!!! do you get it yet? This is as bad as ISONEWS, n00bs all over the place here.

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Assuming an eprom generator (and tester) is possible, once a lot of unmodded xboxes get banned b/c they are unlucky to have their key generated and then banned, MS will have to unban everyone b/c they can't tell who's who.  So, because you fucked up, you want to get someone else banned?

Let's say it, an eeprom i a suite of numbers, it' s generated relating the hardware in your Xbox, this number is unique. Let's say to make for our example 64 bits....I doubt that MS makes such a low ID, so but for our example, just take it so that's make it simple...

Ok, a 64 bits key makes 2ex64 possibilities, make the calcul yourself, 64*63*62*61* until 1.

That's make billions and billions of possibilities....so you have a chance over billions to get the same eeprom number as somebody else.

So the whole point of my explanation is that, for me, if an eeprom would (ever) been cracked or generated, I would say that you friend which has an valid xbox eeprom would ever been banned because of you....that's make sense no ?....unless MS sells billions of Xbox, which I doubt it

I think that Lowen Na, makes an interesting point here, as everybody knows, nothing is imposible, it would be difficult of course. I am pretty sure to crack the eeprom than the MS keys, but then, nothing is impossible, you know what, nothing is protected 100% sure...it's just a question of time as you know what I mean...

People like all the forbidden thing isn't, it's challenging somehow to break it, just for fun sometimes...it's like a 10 years old kid, we forbid him to watch porno movies, and so, he will attempt to watch it...

Then it will just lead to the old question of morality, should I or should I not get a pirated games and go on live, I think that debate will ever get a winner. There are pros and cons...

So I think that No, this topic is not a joke, it' s an interesting point that Lowen make it here, it's very much related to Piracy and cracking but still....

QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 31 2003, 01:53 AM)

QUOTE (No_Name @ Jan 30 2003, 10:17 AM) etc etc etc... I think I know who you are "No Name".

O PM me then.

QUOTE (smokeingit @ Jan 31 2003, 02:45 AM)

How am i the Idiot? your the damn ass that cant buy a clue... only way to test a Vaild eeprom is by a non modded XBOX STUPID!!! do you get it yet? This is as bad as ISONEWS, n00bs all over the place here.

You obiviously don't understand what I am saying.

Yes, currently the only way to test an eeprom is with a Xbox. Currently!

I am talking about writing a program for the PC that would do the same thing.

Just like you can use Xboxconnect to link 2 or more Xboxs (the PC lies to the XBOX: hello Mr. Xbox, I am an other XBOX for you to link to) I am talking about using a PC to lie to the Live service.

Using a program to simulate an Xbox connecting to live
1: PC connects to Live
2: Live request bios info to see if system is modded
3: PC replies with XBOX non-modded info
4: Live request Xbox eeprom for validation
5: PC replies with generated eeprom
6a: Live replies with invalid eeprom info and PC is dissconected, or:
6b: Live replies with ok eeprom and ask for next step in log on, PC disconnects and saves eeprom to file for later use



It would be easy to do that part with a little know how and some time. The hard part would be cracking the eeprom. Even that could be done with time.



P.S.

Sorry for being mean to you Shanafan. I apologize.

P.S.S.

and thank you Zzzen, you seem to be the only one here who gets it.

QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 30 2003, 10:37 PM)

Think about this.. You connect to live on your PC with a VALID eeprom.. The server sees that your PC is not an XBOX (not the same bios, etc). THE NEW VALID EEPROM GETS BANNED.. If you run this never to be invented software on an XBOX, the VALID eeprom gets banned because the mod would have to be on for it to work at all. Simple logic.

I am not talking about just telneting in to Live or connecting with a some "off the shelf" program. I am talking about making a program that simulates an Xbox's TCP/IP connection protocols. Live would not be able to tell that it was a PC doing it.

Laymans terms: The PC program pretends to be an Xbox.