yeah i moved that stuff out of the ftp its for projest related material only

sorry but not hosting a site for anything and everything



but thanks for unploading n e way should have been more clear when i posted about it

Hi everyone ,

Just a quick post to let you all know that the webpage is not vaporware

and that im still working on it...

Just hard to get some free time out of a 24hrs day that should have 36.
Man i hate my job...

Anyways, ya know the drill.


Cya all soon!

PS.: Cant wait for our first xbox powered windoom lan party ;P (or maybe Jdoom for the "connaisseur")

O yeah.. and no its not connoisseur you ppl are spelling it wrong... yes you know who you are!

Woohooo, hold your horses sorry.

I thought the ftp was for general files AND the winXbe related stuff.

Just wanted to help, don't have to go all flamy and stuff

Anyways,

Since the xbox mobo is nForce2 based can't we disect a normal nForce2 bios and try to compare it against the xbox bios?

Maybe just to get the low-level system calls to ne the same as the normal nForce2 chipset.

Also I think the base 3d drivers are also present on the bios because of the 3d bios of the Xbox, maybe you van extract that for use in a driver?

just my 2 cents, if it makes sense at all
cheers

When it says in the readme for windows, "Launch via your preferred method" How can I launch it, and does it need to be in a certain partition?

hmmmm... h8raid is now "X-S BANNED".
that can't be very good.

yes,h8raid is banned BUT im trying to get him unbanned so wish me luck.

lmao



so Scan-C is MIA and h8raid is banned.

sounds like there is no one left in the project to me.

h8raid,why dont you create a new account and use it to post.

i can see why your called total_ass, because you are!, i have been talking to h8raid by messinger,everything is ok,as in said before,people will have to be patient.

Heh... what did he put in his sig?


He won't get unbanned.

-BxN

So.... whats going on with this?

Am i still to do a website or what?

My spare time is rare lately.

If this is not gonna be of any use to anyone id like to know it.

Ok, so i was reading the page about xpe on wikipedia

Page on xpe wikipedia


and found this line



If there was some way to get el torito cd to run.. We may have a live! version of xpe on the xbox!


What are your thoughts guys (n girls)?

-BxN

Honestly...How many times do we need to say we are going to use Win 98. No XPE, No XP, no 95, no 2k...

For the last time, we are going to use 98. If you want to use XPE so badly, go start your own project.

@thecrazy, continue work on the webpage. If you can get a forum running on that, then we can ditch this thread and move over to yours. Then we don't have to worry about the members of our team who were banned.

listen to shadow7789,what he said is correct.

Yah use your shitty 98 and get nowhere, winxpe is the way to go! Its actually possible unless you produce an asm coder out of thin air..

-BxN

"Its actually possible unless you produce an asm coder out of thin air.." what do you mean?

Whos going to code the hacked bios? Anyone know asm well? Well thats what the hacked bios is coded in and scan c has vanished into thin air..

I think we should work on getting XP Embedded working since it doesnt give a shit what its running on, also 98se would be laggy and crap.

Otherwise i think we should lay this project to rest...


-BxN

yes, does any one have source code for embedded? something to work with? ive got the cromwell source but it'l take some editing :S maybe a new bios from scratch would be best bet. - im not sure really...

agreed. the only person working on this has not posted in a long time.

there has been no progress since this thread started, and the only thing that people are discussing is which version of windows would work best.

imo the project never even started.

We need to get a beta copy of win xpe and start playing around and how far it gets to runs, runs with vmware etc etc

Otherwise we should just let it die.

-BxN

Well well... that doesnt sound good...

Still anyways i had some neet stuff started for the website.

Im going to keep this on my HD until we know what is gonna happen.

If we find our coder somewere ill keep working or if we decide to go ahead with embended.... anyways...

Just one small question.. Wont XPE run regular win32 apps???

Cause I dont get it why we would try to hack a bios if we could get xpe to run....

sounds easier to me... please educate me.

yes embedded runs win32 apps sheesh fellas all it is is windows XP with no hardware restrictions.

think of xp embedded as OLD linus, you give it the hardware drivers tell it to use them and then you pick the XP cmponents you wantto install, gui, networking, internet explorer and whatever else. its not setup to install like linux but its the same mentallity.

and here is an embedded overview, read thru it it shows exactly what you do in a round about what YOU tell it what features and compnonents to use then you make an install image.
http://msdn.MS.com/library/default....EmbeddedTop.asp

and i SWEAR there is a beta you can use to try free from MS. if not ill ask my buddy how you go about getting embedded if your not working for someone who uses it. i messaged him but its 9am so he might be asleep. ill let you know.
ive already talked to him about helping you guys out but since he is the IT and Development manager he dont really have any time.

***EDIT**

here it is embedded evaluation hhmm did you fellas even try MS's site ? i hope so lol hey are offering all kinds of free stuff these days.
http://www.windowsembeddedkit.com/LandingP...spx?source=1013

Ok heres a list of targets

First we need to try XPE under VMARE and see how well it runs

Next we need to see if it will run alone, otherwise we need a hacked bios.


-BxN

well if your talking running under xbox linux forget it.. unless your using a 128meg box linux just uses too much memory otherwise.

as for how it runs ona PC ? let me tell you its like the speed of running windows 95 on a brand new pent 4 or amd 64 with all the stability of xp with only the features that you want to install, none of the bloated stuff you have when you do an install of regular XP.
Ive only seen one machine running xp and lordy it was on the desktop by the time the monitor was fully on. there is no load time post takes longer than xp does to load.

and like ive tried to expain to you gents dozens of times embedded, is designed if you look around the m$ embedded site to run on some absolutely whacky hardware,, and runs as small or fat as you want it but you have to tell it how to install you set it up with a gui tell it what drivers to use it then creates a boot install image and a remote install image,, no what might be even better is using the remote install set up and installing it via FTP or telenet thru to your xbox.
file system is irrelevant as far as i know since it runs off flashroms.

i used to have the xbox hardware drivers but no longer do, dont know what happened to them guess i thought i would never need them, ill have to find them again cuz if i do i could possibly try to work up an embedded install image.
but since ive never used embedded id need the time to learn it which i dont think its very hard my buddy who is an embedded programmer said its a piece of cake all you need is the hardware drivers.

so if one of you getns have the win32 xbox nic video and mobo drivers pm me.

How we gunna make it boot at startup like a dash?

-Edit

We have a few options, WinXP should cover the nic port with its inbuilt drivers, mobo shouldn't be a problem ethier. Only thing is video but we could ask the linux peoples for one? Other ways are write one or use trial and error.

-BxN

If you want to use WinXPE so badly, go ahead. But, this thread is for normal Windows distros, such as 98. Start your own thread, it isn't that hard. This project will get back on it's feet. Its not like people banned from the forums drop off the face of the earth.

As a side note, maybe we should move this thread to somewhere else so that our "leaders" can participate.

i have no idea what you been reading but this entire thread has been dedicated to getting XP PE and XP Embedded running, not "normal" windows.

we already know that 95 runs with xbox dos and 98 barely runs.
2k is impossible thus far and so is XP.

if you want as it seems you do, win95 98 then YOU go to one of the other threads, as the entire 6 pages has been about XP not 98.
id take 98 hell why not, but definately not thru a dos emu, must run natively. which means formatting one of your partitions as Fat32. or Fat16 sme for XP its either gotta be Fat32 or NTFS.

CE Embedded or XP Embedded or the oly tru choices, and XP embedded install is smaller than 95 or 98 ever thought about being. less than 100 megs for XP with video mobo and networking. Explorer with full gui.

big xbox...

nothing in the xbox will be native to XP the nic is an nforce NIC and thats not native. Native motherboard drivers would be included in xp i THINK but that wont work well, the ide probably would be ok,, but the agp and other controllers would need proper drivers.
i definately deleted the video and sound drivers and im peeved i wish i had kept them.
im sure the XDK has them though,,, but alas i dont have it and have no intention on downloading it.

Hmm... I guess we could ask the Linux peoples for one but it would need to be recoded to work with windows xpE. I'll try and hunt down those drivers.

-BxN

that really pisses me off that i deleted those drivers cuz i dont think "you know where" has them,, but it might heck someone go there and look under the pc section see if the drivers are there.

ill poke around at other places see if the drivers are around anywhere

Not Working on 98, Eh? THis is on Page 14 of this thread.

I wasn't gonna bitch you about this, but after rereading your posts, I couldn't resist. The whole point of this thread is so that I could Pop My Win 98 Disc in my Xbox, and install it. Don't tell me that 98 can't Run on the Xbox. We all know the xbox exceeds the min specs. What do you think Betaluva has been working on? Dosbox? THe goal of this project is to run Win 98 natively. Just look at the title of this thread. "Getting it Running Efficiently" This can't be referring to WinXPE, because, use logic, it hasn't been ported yet, and we would not have that running efficiently, Win98 is where our problems lie.

Hmm... About XP. Take a look at BartPE. That thing creates a version of M$ Windows XP that boots from a CD. It needs the XP SP1 files and copies them to a dest dir, and finally creates the iso. I'm too lazy to try building it again( I had it a few months ago and I lost it).
That thing removes the fat and boots a custom windows graphic shell(explorer would give you 8=====D, because of read-only FS of the CD)
I don't remember what can be run under it though.
Now vmware allows to mount an iso as a CD-ROM ...
I'll try this thing when I have a keyboard connected to the box

About bochs:
WTF? ROTFL! OMG, FFS, STFU
If you want a x86 emulator that doesn't suck, try http://www.qemu.org
It's kinda, errm... SIXTY FIVE TIMES FASTER than bochs. That may mean a Pentium Pro 200 instead of a i386 16MHz
You can only run it under XBOX Linux though. It can run DOS, WINDOWS, Linux, Darwin, BSD, BeOS, whatever you throw at it.
I'm been thinking about compiling a small gentoox linux kernel and a ramdisk, cutting all the fat, just to boot this beauty. With a linux kernel patch provided on that website it runs even faster.

Hum... ok everyone relax were just talking of XPE to pass the time while scan-c comes back to life...

Im still not clear about one thing though .... and b4 anyone says READ THE THREAD!
I want to say that i have been following it from the start so...

What is our goal exactly and why?

Were trying to run windows applicaiton on a xbox or are we trying to make windows 98 run on a xbox?

There is a BIG difference.

As far as i know everyone wants window on their xbox to run windows compatible software, emulators etc....

Now... I know this was discussed b4 but Arent we blinding ourself here from the real goal ? I mean, i dont think putting a toothpick on the moon just for saying you did is really worth all the effort. All you want is a freaking toothpick. Ya know what i mean?

Its like going from point a to point b pasing through the whole alphabet first.

Im all for getting win98 running on the xbox but will it give us anything more than xpe? thats what i want to know. Will it be faster? Will it run better? or are we just doing this for pride?!

Please give me a straight answer and no flaming about xpe or not xpe. Its a simple question and im sure im not the only one asking it.

Have a good day!

this guy had one to many --->

The title says get IT running efficently not windows 98

Scan-c is gone for good i think.

XPe is much better and a reasonable thing to run, win98 is just slow and shit on xbox. If you are wondering "I cant afford a winxpe license!" There is a FREE beta copy that you could run legally.

-BxN

i hav an idea

i was reading on this site http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~ranma1/mac_install.html and it was telling how to install mac os on the xbox. How about some one makes a i386,x86 emulator so that we could install windows like the way that it was done there. Does this sound like an idea?

@Thecrazy, you should get a forum working on our web page. Then, we can have Scan-C and Hiraid8 back. Just host what you have, and put a forum up too.

i agree, if we can get a site up and running we can kiss x-s goodbye and get on with our core project.

I'm working on this and I have already an half-assed patched xromwell binary that allows a faster boot ( bypasses the DVD initalization and menu and reduces some delays inside the code. There are some other hacks that I dont remember now)
Next is the kernel and a customized initrd.gz.
I'm thinking about f:\qemu (or e:\qemu) containing the patched xromwell.xbe, the vmlinuz initrd.gz,linuxboot.cfg the qemu binaries and HD images, from which qemu would boot. Xromwell loads linuxboot.cfg from the current directory.
The kernel only has the essential stuff: sound, video, fatx, usb, framebuffer. Network is a module, as are some other stuff inside initrd. That thing would call then busybox, mount drive e and f, add /mnt/fatx/f/qemu to PATH, and run a customizable script on f:\qemu, that would contain a call to the emulator with the command line.
The OS images can confortably generated on a PC and then ftp'ed to the box.

This thing can be generic for any program. A customized linux booting just what a guy wants, without the fat, avoids the (No Download/Built with XDK) crap that I'm tired of seeing, and avoids porting nightmares.
I wonder if Quake3Arena runs on the box under XWindows Is OpenGL accelerated in Xbox-Linux ?

I wrote this in less than 3 minutes at 6am, so it may all sound like crap, but I'll post here if I make some progress. Don't hold your breath though

excellent.

i have been wanting to run half-life in cedega under linux, but these damn distributions are 2-4 gigs in size.

a stripped down linux is just what i could use.

We need a temporary forum until our webpage is up. Any ideas?

turrican

thats a nice idea. but keep in mind 90% of the xbox owners only have 64 megs of ram, but others like myself have the 128meg box. Windows may run, although sluggishly from the 64 megs of ram but will run faster with the 128megs.
But the real kicker and those thinking that games are gunna run need to listen up.
Its just not gunna happen people. be realistic!. Think of windows 98 on a machine with 64 megs of ram... it runs like crap and you cant run anything but ancient old old games. People with the 128 meg mod would be able to run the emulator with windows 98 at a fairly good speed but again running games would be nearly impossible.

I dont see where you guys think that your gunna run games on the xbox when it only has 64 megs of ram. Its just not gunna happen.

Go run Quake 3 arena on ANY machine with 64 megs of ram.. guess what.. its not gunna happen. Next try that on the xbox where there is only 64 megs of Video ram AND System ram TOTAL.

to create a stripped linux so you can run windows in an emu is a fine idea but realise that linux already runs like snot with 64 megs of ram. so your basically back to square one with a stripped version running an emu running windows. infact, your worse off simple cuz there isnt enough ram. even the 128 megs would probably run horribly slow.

The only games that will ever run will be old small games. nothing within the last 5 years will run at a playable speed.
that being said.

What about creating a stripped down linux without all the crap that gentoox has,, just sound video networking, file browser, web browser and thats about it. I was surprised when i first installed GentooX to see that it had all the worthless crap installed. why ? its not needed its not used and we should be given the choice of installing it or not.
or
why make it all be contained in one image, that was a nice idea but reality shows that when you cram it into 1 location like that it runs horribly slow. make images that are mountable, a usr folder a root folder and a few others instead of one chunck file that linux has to dig thru to make stuff run.

I dont know,, if you can get linux to run at least windows 98 at a good speed with a 128 meg box then we are one step closer, but still we are avoiding the entire goal here. Making the xbox run windows all on its own. no emulators or anything.

I made a forum for this cause u guys said u needed a forum. it is located a t

http://wbox.conforums3.com/

thats the forum. pm me if u want the name and pass for editing it.

THANKYOU A94060!, our own site atlast.

Well, it's official, our forums have moved to http://wbox.conforums3.com/.

This thread is officially closed.

Shadow7789...Over and Out.

(I always wanted to say that)

a new shorter url 2 the site will be www.wbox.tk

Windows 98 runs fine on my celeron 500 mhz pc with 64mb ram and 4mb video.Its enough for web surfing and games like age of empires 2.So 64mb is quite sufficient.

Please take a look at my reply here:
http://wbox.conforums3.com/index.cgi?board...&num=1108089452

you dont run age of empire 2 with 4 megs of video and 64 megs of ram and make the game run very good. nah it runs like crap i bet. thats just a guess.


you have to think with your brains gentlemen.

64 megs of ram... ok take 10-20megs if not more for the linux kernel and the emulator..... then add in another 16-24 megs or realistically more ram that windows is going to require for its self.... then try to run a game... guess what,, your all out of ram gentlemen then game more than likely isnt going to run.
then you have to find a game that will actually see the xbox gforce 3 video chipset and know what it is... what games will look at the video chip and know what it is ? none,, they will either accept it or say you cant run it cuz you dont have a compliant video card.

PFFFT i love those crap boards...

If you want some REAL phpbb boards try thiis

http://www.celtix.net/

^ Great boards, ive got some spare ones setup but that will be alot faster to use

Im a good admin for them, so if you need any help just ask

-BxN