Nah!

Age of empires 2 runs very fast with no glitches on my celeron 500 with 64 meg ram and 4 mb video card.The computer is 5 years old and the game was released 6 years ago (with good graphics).So i think the xbox should be able to run the game very wel.
You should see the minimum requirements of age of empires 2 by the way.I agree with lestat as he said that only little ram will be left and the game would not be able to recognise the video card of the xbox.Why did MS put a protection and stuff like that?

well ill have to take your word for it.. but it still wont run on the xbox so get that dream out of your head. not unless you have the 128meg xbox.
nothing is gunna run on the xbox unless you have the 128meg board.
there might be a few OLD OLD games that run but nothing that anyone really cares about playing

but lets just hold our tongues,,, they havent even got 95 running properly let alone 98 or 2k or xp...........

just a new post. I changed the forum hosting. it is now www.wbox.tk it is hosted by phpbb

I justed wanted to mention that games is not the only reason we're trying to get windows running on xbox. I'm mentioning this because of some slight (seen as) sarcasm coming back and forth because of games not running on. (IE-decent runs fine on mine, but i'm not a pc gamer myself) I'm just surprised at so much negativity coming from certain users. What's the big deal? Your doing no good being here but bringing down the ones that are hyped up to try and get it working.
Don't you remember people saying "Xbox won't run anything but xbox software." Look what it's doing now? Let's all be positive here. If you don't believe in things, let it be and please keep your opinions to your self. If after trying, it's not working out, fine, all good. But don't say it's not possible because of theoretical BS.
This forum is to get things moving, NOTHING ELSE. So, please keep your negative opinions to yourself. (You know who you are). Not trying to be a dick here, just very positive, and don't believe in "Can't", and just don't see the point in it with ANY negative (unless facts from trial and error) feedback. The topic discussion is "Getting it Running Efficiently", NOT "Is this possible?/Can it happen".
I hope you see things the same way. Thank you for listening.

i agree with the previous poster. we should really try and succed. not keep falling down.

rember we were supposed 2 move th forum 2 www.wbox.tk ? rember............

This really gives a feeling that .tk-sites are most of the time 'worthless'. You need Firefox to watch them (or be prepared for the pop-ups/spyware) and most of the time, there is nothing interesting to find. Remembers me of .cjb.net.

Not intented as a flame, though.

I don't know exactly at what result you want to arrive, But...

A few yaers ago, I was oblige to install win95 on a PC-like which is running like a private network backup set.

the hardware of this machine had been made by a third party and we have writing a bios with some compatible entry points.

After that with a Digital SDK, we had configure a DR DOS which was able to fix the missing calls.

At all, with 8 or 9 months of works, we can run "WIN" at the DOS prompt...

It was really a magic think when Window appear for the first time.

Be happy and go, I think it's possible.

Regard from France.

Alain

PS: Old machine based on 486DX2-66 with 4Mo ram and 80Mo HDD !!!!!

ok guys dont get your hopes up so soon, yes this is random im the new person to post so here it goes. Xbox 2 i heard will have a 256mb's of ram if you want me too i cant get alot more specs all the way down to processor which will have about four yes its unbelievable but iv seen the graphics and its like doom3 or half-life 2. so just approve me if you want more specs.

*looks at his post-count*

Oooooooo...kay...

Hi guys...

Regarding the website, I havent touched it for a very long time and im not goig to as long as we dont get some kind of developer to work on the project. I hate to say this but at the moment this is getting nowhere mighty fast. Im not going to make a place holder.

And do we have another forum or not? If so WHICH one theres at least 3 different forums that have been posted.

Thecrazy.

first i have to say sorry for being away that long. there were some problems that really took time to get over...

another thing is i lost all my code (which wasn't to much )
can anyone tell me the status of this project? things that have been decided, discoverys made?

SCAN C IS ALLIVVVEEEE!


Well..

We thought of getting winxpe run on xbox since it doesnt give a SHIT what it rusn on (16 meg flash chips , need i say more?)

Problem is the boot loader only which we need a coder to right.

My suggestion to you Scan-C is to go through the WHOLE 18 something pages of the thread and refresh your head and see whats currently going on.

-BxN

And what's the new forum of wbox.conforums3.com?

***BIG OL SIGH***

Once again its XP EMBEDDED THAT DONT CARE.

PE or PRE-INSTALL ENVIRONMENT last i heard, and im sure im correct is a PC HARDWARE based , BIOS contingent IT Proffesion's tool to prep a system for an XP install. If you dont know then go grab Super WinPE its a knoppix style cd bootable os. all its designed to do is get you into a failed XP or other NTFS system. or run from a system without windows on it so you can format and partition drives or recover data.

Embedded is the only one,, just like CE Embedded, and 98 Embedded, and Tablet Embedded that does not care about hardware.

do not confuse the 2. they are 2 VERY different things.

Embedded Preview is free go download it,, and install it on your system. (it dont install windows on your PC it installs the tools you need to create an install image.)

hell i cant believe someone with windows programming knowledge who also knows some xbox tricks hasnt tried it yet. all you need is the drivers for the xbox audio, video and motherbaord, ethernet. oh controllers too
Mouse and Keyboard would be included in the USB support of the OS and making sure legacy USB Device support is enabeld so it can see a mouse and keyboard on the usb controller port, since thats all the xbox controllers are , are usb ports.

i guess i have to read everything then

about the driver coding... i don't know anything about that. maybe you can help out lestat?

scan -

wish i was a programmer but im not, im jsut a hardware guy. one of my good friends back in my home town is a genious programmer and uses XP Embedded everyday at work to program the products they sell.
But since the company has deemed him IT Dept manager and Programming Dept. Manager he has very little time. And ive asked several times for his help.

he now has an xbox, so ill have to bug him again and see if he can get in the mood to help out.

as for the drivers. i use to have the Win32 drivers for xbox video and audio. but i dont anymore, all i ever say was people wanting linux so i didnt ever think we would be trying windows otherwise i would have kept them.

but its all nvidia, so,,,, thats a HUGE leap in the right direction.

Did you read it

I said

Win XPE <-- xp embedded

-BxN

sure i read it
need to type XP-E or XP E

when you type XPE retards like me think your referring to XP PE

so take that

Ok then

-BxN

umm BxN - are you back with UIX or sumthin - cos ur sig seems like it....

I'm building a gaming website right now... it won't be finished for a couple weeks or more, but when it opens I can host your site (i.e. http://xbox.gtsociety.com/wbox). My entire site runs a php CMS with forums and news scripts, so no need to edit HTML pages.

it may jus be me not reading but,has the project gone any farther than the last time i posted,i hav been reading here and i jus see fiting (like it was aobut the windows version)

I guess the name for this project was already decided but I always wanted to see a "Windows XB" (WXB for short). Eh... I thought I'd say something.

I dont know bugger all about this and im a crap coder, but maybe some of you smarter people want to look at the LinuxBIOS project. its a good framework for a homebrew BIOS and may take some of the raw basic shit out of making a BIOS for the xbox that will allow windows to work. The other thing i wanted to mention is whenever i wanted to get something not made for one hardware solution running 'outside its box' as it would, ive build a PC with as close as possible specs. Maybe some of you should build a test PC with hardware as close to the xbox as possible, even as far as writing low-level drivers so that a video card can be forced by the PC to look like a xbox video chip to windows;
by this i mean

Video Card (ie GF4-MX440)
^
|
|
GF4 Instructions Output
|
Conversion (Xbox Video Instruction converted to GF4 Instructions
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Xbox-Video Chip Instructions Input
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Windows Xbox-Video Chip Driver
|
Windows Version Whatever


None of this is probably feasible/possible however sometimes having an outside perspective helps see what is not obvious to the trained eyes. So even though i know nothing about this what seems like a good idea to me may have been passed off as impossible or never imaginged by experienced folk.

Anyway thats my 2 cents.

Good luck guys.

Also for the name what about XPBOX with the P in sub/super-script?



Cortrall

Or a swap partition and a decent hard disk. Face it, the Xbox won't run HaloPC or the like anyway, why would you need more than 64mb hard ram for games? You aren't going to do video editing on the xbox are you?

why not. Movie editing would be insane.

.:BONES:.

will this be possible to use without a gamepad & just a controller?

-Slipknot01

I wonder it is about the ram and PCI checks that crash the Xbox..?

I can't find edit on my original post so...

EDIT for last post:

Almost forgot: The project is called WinXBE, but that could stand for 'Windows XP Xbox Edition' (WINdows Xp xBox Edition or WINdows xp XBox Edition') .

Like the extended name idea?

EDIT2:



I should be getting a brand new Xbox, should be a 1.6b .

Oh edit button, where areth thou?!?!?!

Yes, I'm triple posting. I hope this'll be the last one, because I'm finished reading through this thread again... ((After writing post: Sorry for switching quote styles mid-post, and yes, I do like XPe. Designed for Set-top boxes people, designed for set-top boxes... And sorry if I've been told not to post anything about versions, but this is simply my opinion on some of the posts in this topic ))

"Wait, isn't this project trying to get a standard Windows running, like 98/ME? XPe is Bios independent, but dosen't that mean it's point is so you can run it on a Non PC device? BIOS coding would not even be nessary, it ciuld just be booted as an XBE, like what they did with WinCE.

I would rather see Win ME running on my xbox, then XPe."

Google XP Embedded. It's Windows XP Professional. Period. Except you can choose not to install certain components and it doesn't give a dang about your BIOS. Oh, and yes, it CAN run fully fledged windows apps. Yes, that means your ordinary Firefox and mIRC'll run on XPe.

"yeah, 'proper windows' is what were aiming for here. not xpe"

See above.

Xbox2k5:
"Windows 98 is the best option as it supports many programs and it has a very little system requirement.Lets focus on Windows 98 and not some other embedded os first. After that, we can work on the embedded os'es"


I think that simply put: XPE: Faster, Smaller, Stabler. If set up correctly, supports all Windows applications.



Because noone really wants to do that. Except those that DO want to do that. Programers are humans too. Even if their covered in orange fur, like bannanas and say 'Ook' a lot .



XPe: It's actually easier to install than windows 98. It's designed for devices with no keyboard or mouse, so you get the picture .



I thought that was CE embedded... Oh well, shows how much I know about PDAs .



Do you think Xindows (Or M$, depending on how you like your conspirasy theory) assasinated Scan-C and got h8raid banned because they had a breakthrough on The WinXBE Project?

BTW: The FTP server's down ...

More of my opinions on XPE: Build the Xbox drivers right into the OS.



And a 120-day evaluation kit... Use your imagination, people.



Lost all your code? Ah crud...

For those who are so fond of XPE, you do know that there would be some licensing requirement that will never make it possible on Xbox, don't you ? Either MS would simply deny you from distributing it or the royalty would be too high for 'amateurs' I saw here ;-)

There IS a Timebombed version, and a beta which I doubt has a timebomb. Both are perfectly ok to distrobute from what I've heard.

It's legaler than those hacked up M$ bioses (of which I think most bioses are), and the XDK compiled files that aren't supposed to be distrobuted without M$'s consent.

I am really sick of waiting. Xbox 360 is comming out this year. You guys should just do whatever will be ready the soonest.

If there were legal issues in relation to distributing the full XP Embedded OS, the author could always just distribute the Target Designer project file and simply include download and build instructions to make it easier for end users to set up. It shouldn't take anymore than a few minutes to generate the OS image build and has the added benefit of letting the end user add some optional components they may wish to use....

XPe should also work fine in an emulator like QEMU if you want to try, though its just not the same...

Oh, and Pocket PCs are built on "Windows CE", not XP.
Also, there is no such thing as "Windows CE Embedded." Its always embedded anyway because its designed as an Embedded OS.

Interesting perspective. I thought building OS are for geeks and people asking for Windows on Xbox seems to be not in that camp. BTW, what you are saying is that XPE is effectively FREE so long I don't mind building the OS ? Hard to believe as assuming that I am a mid to large size corp, I can do what you said and popular all my desktop with tailor made XP(like a customized distro in linux term) and save hundreds of K(if not millions) per year license fee ?

Of course, there is the matter of the 120 day TIMEBOMB, chimpanzee.

Question still not answered....

I see. So the users of this phentom XPE on Xbox release just need to rebuild it every 120 days, that sounds like a nice solution ;-)

*Sigh*

Yes, just use the XBCD drivers, and the ControlMK software from the same place.

usual placeq?

Hey!
I thought that I can help you out with coding, if needed. So if you are trying port Windows XP for XBox I am in. But only for make a chalange, because I think linux is better on XBox than WinXP, although XBox kernel is someting like Windows 2000 kernel, so there is posibilities that that one is going to work.

no one is in this forum anymore man, its been dead for a while. I lay flowers on it grave every once in a while, but no one is here nemore. Better look at mac osx for the xbox 360

It's not dead jet.. just in a coma. Once all hope is lost, the plug will be pulled. Untill then, there's qemu.

i wonder how that ReactOS port for the xbox is going.. i hope that comes along. havent seen updates on it for a while yet..

Im confused.

Hmmm... some one will probably beat me up for this, but has anyone seen www.linuxbios.org ? the is a section on that site about running other operation systems after linux boots.... something about using a glue layer called ADLO (iirc) maybe we can borrow ::steal:: some of there code :-P

Ok i'll go get my casket ready
Michael

WINDOWS SOURCE CODE FOR BOTH NT4 AND WIN2K BUILDS WERE LEAKED.

Considering the massive knowledge base and amount of applications and hardware devices created to exploit the xbox system this source code can most definitley be used to create a full version of windows for the xbox that can be installed in a native, proper, and full fashion that is truly complete.

Has anyone considered these methods, resources, concepts ???

(1) Build a full Xbox Native Windows from the ground up: Using leaked Windows 2000 Source Code with the missing "non-leaked" components substituted with the relative parts from

(A) leaked Windows NT4 {this has boot code and kernel initialization code in \nt\private\ntos\private\boot\ and \nt\private\ntos\init\ which would allow for the construction of an XBOX specific NTLDR/OSLOADER.EXE and/or NTOSKRNL.EXE

( REACTOS source code: the REACTOS avenue appears great as it already has a Hardware Abstraction Layer with custom code for the XBOX.

(2) Windows CE.NET source code, samples, and binary image building - Dependent on the CE .NET framework to a large extent it nevertheless provides an execellent resource especially when it comes to the construction of pre-kernel (and as such pre WinCE) executions such as those that occur in the hardware enumerating OEM ADAPTION LAYER during boot: a DEFAULT.XBE boot loader has already been constructed for the XBOX and a WinCE NK.NB0 image has been released. Modification to WinCE source code, specifically to the XBOX WinCE image mentioned above (that already works) could lead us somewhere.

By injecting leaked NT/WIN2K code, BIOS/x86 Emulation code such as Bochs, and possibly code from the EFI firmware interface released from INTEL, one could create a glorified superBIOS: This would be a WinCE OS perhaps residing on a LPC module like normal modchips and would allow execution of a normal PC windows setup program (unmodified). This is quite a complex idea but essentially works by creating an intermediate layer between the XBOX and Windows and thus makes Windows think it is installing itself on a PC instead of an XBOX.

(3) Create a BIOS PE FILE to replace XBOXKRNL.EXE then package it up under CABinet protocol and insert it back into the BIOS BOOT ROM so that it is unpacked upon POST.

Obviously we would rebuild NTOSKRNL.EXE using leaked code, rename it as XBOXKRNL.EXE, reseal it with appropriate cryptography and compression and then flash it into the region where the XBOX exepcts such to be.

This would then expect a HAL and Device Drivers as well as a Session Manager Sub-System and further programs at least up to the Winlogon.exe point where a system boot officially comes to an end.

You know, this bring me back to a thread I made... ( http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=502787 ). If this could work, I'd definetly use it on the project were working on. Good luck to you guys . Hmm... I'd also have to run to and fro on the wikipedia to really get into what you guys are talking about

mmm... i've reading this from the very begining.. and.. well.. i would like to say some things
1- the challenge was to run a windows on the xbox. selected ONE win98... i agree
2- some ppl tried to talk about wince and winxpe.. ok.. its easier BUT THATS NOT THE F** THREAD ABOUT
i vote to use win98 se. i tried all windows versions in my pc already... with a huge hard drive and up to 5 boots (win95, win98se, winme, win2k and winxp) so.. i can say i was running all at once..
was a pentium 550 slot 1, with 448 megs, 16 megs nvidia riva tnt and a sound blaster live. everything was fine.. BUT... winME sucks BIG TIME.... win2k... takes WAY TO MORE to load up. winXP is ok.. win98SE was amazing (just dont load up ie6.2). win95.. well.. kinda limited...
i vote to continue the proyect with the win98se... and those assholes talking about using winxpe and all that... shut up and open a new thread about running winxpe in the xbox...

In case you'd missed the actual point of the discussion - running any version of Windows (other than CE, which is not the same OS but merely shares a name and the general API design) on the Xbox without using emulation will require some tricky binary patching that is well outside the capability of almost everyone who is interested. Getting 98 to run would likely be *more* difficult than getting 2000/XP to run, because consumer Windows has a much less well designed kernel with a poorer hardware abstraction - it would likely need to be modified quite significantly. Getting an NT-based Windows to run would likely only require boot-time modifications as the hardware abstraction layer is far more complete.

Either way the chances of anyone actually doing it are pretty tiny. It's extremely hard to do without the source code, and those who have the source legitimately are not allowed to tell (Shared Source licencing for Windows requires a non-disclosure agreement, which is my position).