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thepureamrit
Ahhh,

Allow me to introduce my self. I am The Pure Amrit. When I first read this topic, I knew this was right for me. I am a Windows Geek. I have been reading this article since the begining. The thought of running Windows PE on an XBOX is not bad. I do not know if someone had suguested Bart PE, but it can work. In Bart PE, you can create plugins for Windows XP (OR 2003) and modify the whole OS. In my (worthless) ammount of experiance, I believe that Windows 2003, and Windows CE will be the bet choice for the XBOX. Shure, it is possiable that you can make drivers for the XBOX. The Dashboard (and the rest of the xbox software) is only a modified version of the Windows 2000 Kernel (and Direct X). If That Helps Out At All, I Would Like To Know.

thanks

~The Pure Amrit

P.S.

If The XBOX is only Windows 2000, There is still hope for Windows XP... ( wink.gif wink.gif ,Hint Hint)
torne
QUOTE(thepureamrit @ Nov 22 2006, 01:15 AM) *

In Bart PE, you can create plugins for Windows XP (OR 2003) and modify the whole OS.

Those are just convenient ways to include/exclude particular files, they don't patch OS files.

QUOTE

The Dashboard (and the rest of the xbox software) is only a modified version of the Windows 2000 Kernel (and Direct X). If That Helps Out At All, I Would Like To Know.

Nope. The Xbox kernel is not in any way useful to run Windows - it's not compatible in any way with the NT kernels, even though it's derived from them (the most fundamental issue: NT syscalls take wide Unicode strings, Xbox syscalls take ASCII, so all string-based APIs are immediately incompatible).

Running Windows on the Xbox would have to work the same way as Linux - a loader replaces the existing kernel with something else.
nathan24
i am trying to get into windows 98 through xdsl but when i click on aterminal the windows 98 bootscreen comes up then a blackscreen with sum writing come up tahat says cd-rom device driver for ide(fourchannels supported.)Copyright oak technology inc.1993-1996.Driver version:V340. Device name:Tomato.Transfer Mode:Programmed 1/0.Drve0: Port=170.(secondary channel).Master IRQ=15.Firmware version :0.6

Ex version 2.25. Copyright © Microsoft Corp.1986-1995.All right reserved.Drive 6 Driver TOMATO unit 0.
i installed xdsl by ftp if that helps.

Thanks
jake09071990
Ok well i only read the first post and had an i dea pop into my head. pop.gif Well we can make windows not make the check by using nlite to modify the instalation disk. i have done this at least 10 times before and it can take out almost all of the minimum system requirements that are on the install disk.

Just thought this would help alot.

This is to modify windows XP only.
Scan-C
Oh WOW! This thread is still alive and a sticky? O_O I was away a long time I know and I got a lot of PM's asking for the source...
I didn't read everything til my last post but I'm sorry to say the source and binarys are lost. I got into some situation which stopped me from working on the code and visit these forums...
Well, I think Windows on the XBOX is still something we should try to archive and I would really like to get a project starting but this isn't as easy as using nlite. It needs patching of binary files and rewriting alot of Win32-Functions used at boottime.
I will need some time to get into all this again. I just tried to replace my Dashboard and, believe it or not, I couldn't remember how to name the xbe.

If someone knowing assembler wants to help, look over the files ntldr and kernel32.dll and try to understand it's basic inner workings. That's where patches need to be applied.
I'll be off know but I'm happy to be here again. The community seems to be as polite and friendly as ever.

Cya
PunMaster
Hey. I've been looking at all the forums about running Windows natively on the Xbox and have become very interested. smile.gif I have a ton of questions but would love to help if I can! First of all, it seems as if the latest piece of working code, the CE .NET thing, is quite old but looks very promising. What the heck happened to that? How could a project that cool just die? Am I missing something? Secondly, What's the current focus? I've heard of a lot of different ways people are trying to get various versions of Windows running on the Xbox. Which ideas are still being actively perused? Lastly, what do I need to do to get involved? I am good with assembly, C++, and C# .NET. I also know a lot about windows and the Xbox hardware. I would love to be a part of this, but as of now I am pretty confused about where the Xbox Windows endeavor is going. Thanks! biggrin.gif
hellknight
It going no where sadly and I doubt with the 360 out that it will go any further then its death I hate saying it but this community and completely died since 360 came out and modding 360's isn't even that great and offers us nothing at the moment in the way of homebrew or anything like that so I really don't see or understand why 360 is slowly killing the xbox scene
torne
QUOTE(hellknight @ Mar 10 2008, 05:55 PM) *

It going no where sadly and I doubt with the 360 out that it will go any further then its death I hate saying it but this community and completely died since 360 came out and modding 360's isn't even that great and offers us nothing at the moment in the way of homebrew or anything like that so I really don't see or understand why 360 is slowly killing the xbox scene

The post you're replying to is over a year old, you know smile.gif

The 360 isn't responsible for the idea of running Windows on the Xbox dying - it died because if you're happy running it under a virtualizer then it works, and there are pretty detailed instructions on how to do it - and if you want to run it natively it requires huge amounts of very difficult effort (as I detailed for a number of people for quite a while).

Quite simply there's nothing to do smile.gif
hellknight
I know its a year old but it is stickied so im not necroing it the scene in whole seems to be slowly dying not just this thread whereas the 360 threads seem to be booming I wouldn't mind seeing a post now and then about the progress (if any) to running windows on the xbox but Im sure there isn't any anymore now I feel like a fool saying anything
torne
There hasn't been any progress running windows natively on the xbox *ever*. Nobody has done anything at all.

It's too hard for too little reward.
darkhanzou26
Just a suggestion? (I don't know nearly enough about programming as I should) but I know that out there on the net is a CD called 'XP Live' (which is used on the computer to boot to an alternative on-CD OS for repairs) which has a windows/linux kernel that may do the trick for testing and programming. Just a suggestion (not looking to get flamed)
torne
Running XP from a livecd is nothing to do with linux, just requires some PE magic (google BartPE and similar). Doesn't help tackle the fact that there's no NT bootloader that will work on the xbox, and that NT will crash when it looks around the xbox's PCI bus.

Sorry wink.gif
grimdoomer
Is this project still alive?
torne
What project? Nobody with a clue what they're doing ever started anything. There is no project smile.gif

If you poke through this thread and the rest of this forum looking for my posts you'll find my debunking of why various ideas are dumb, and an explanation of what would actually be required to make Windows run natively. It's a gargantuan amount of effort. Nobody with the required skills cares that much.
grimdoomer
Well it gave me an idea that I'm working on. Instead of port a OS that we don't have source for, and that would have countless issues, why not make a new OS for the xbox? The xbox already has APIs for mice and keyboards as well as anything else we would want. Well I decided to do something like this. I call it Carbon. So far I have support for mice and I'm working on creating windows that are dragable. I know it wont run anything from windows, but if we could get it to launch games, apps etc in the windows, it would be really neat. Even a desktop like system that you can launch apps and games from would be cool.
Nextelhalo
Man that would be cool as hell. I'll fully support you on this, i know nothing about creating this but anything i can do to help i will. I would love to see something like this created.

Man that would be cool as hell. I'll fully support you on this, i know nothing about creating this but anything i can do to help i will. I would love to see something like this created.
hellknight
Hey any progress on that OS you were working on, I really think it would be cool but as far as I know the xbox can only run one kernal so would it even be possible to run a game or app in a window?
osmorphyus
on this carbon thing... could you run WINE from it?

i know that might make you think of 'just another linux port', but wine is pretty good on different platforms at running windows based software.

ultimately your going to have to enable the NIC. sounds cool tho. toss some screenshots sometime of your work.
WindowsOCManage
QUOTE(h8raid @ Sep 24 2004, 08:46 AM) *

"There's no source code for Windows. It has to not address some areas of the ram because this locks up the Xbox, and it has to not scan the pci bus otherwise, lockup. These are the major problems with Windows. Another thing are the drivers, there are none. The people who have Windows running use it through Bochs or Linux with VMWare. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it will be hard and without source code you will need a way to readdress the ramparts and stop the pci buxs scan. It's exactly the part where I am with my FreeDOS port. I'm just lacking the programming skills, but I'm learning right now biggrin.gif at least FreeDOS is open source so I can rewrite it. A bios would be pretty complicated, but maybe load a program into memory that does this [forces the checks to pass] before the actual Windows bootloader kicks in. What I mean is some kind of a layer between hardware and Windows. I'm not experienced enough to write such code, but I think it should be possible." ~ Scan-C


Exactly what memory region should we not access?
torne
Read the xbox-linux patches.
BuraddoX
You's need to still work on this it sounds like a awesome idea happy.gif
tomegtt
HELP HELP HELP!!!!!!!!!!!I'm sorry my Office 2007 can't open files and the office 2010 too,I don't know what happend to my computers,and all the datas in files can't open it, the information about coach handbags,quad,motorcyle,guitar,the price the quantity,all messed up.
luther349
yea xbox has its os that's linux but nobody has worked on it in years. so its so out of date its sad. i wish the guys that did the linux work would come back for a bit update all your drivers fatx etc for kernel 3 etc. the old ass version of wine xbox linux runs is suck and fail compared to the new versions that will run abought anything.
edwardrich01
where can i get this windows software..
jaroc
QUOTE(tomegtt @ Jul 30 2011, 05:10 AM) *

HELP HELP HELP!!!!!!!!!!!I'm sorry my Office 2007 can't open files and the office 2010 too,I don't know what happend to my computers,and all the datas in files can't open it, the information about coach handbags,quad,motorcyle,guitar,the price the quantity,all messed up.

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