How about WinOsBox - "WOB for short" I was wondering if there is anything I can do to help guys.. I kn ow nothing about coding, but I am fluent in 3d modeling and graffix.... I really love the idea of getting any version of WinOs to run smoothly on xbox without the need of an emulator. Email me : Humanracereject@yahoo.com

Or you could try WinXBE.... just my 2 cents

WinXBE is nice, is that name already taken betaluva?

I did a google search and few others with bbb and nothing about a WinXBE

Good to hear, WinXBE it is then

WOO-HOO! ,WinXBE RULEZ.

alright enough about the name.. we have to do some more research.. can everyone state where they are at in terms of research and what they are doing as part of the project right now??.. im researching the boot process of all the os's up to win2000.. just to see exactly what we can manipulate once the bios can boot windows... has anyone talked to any bios programmers?? is there any progress what so ever??

i'm back finally! no one on my trip wanted to give this a try most of the time i got responses like "the xbox is for kids" or "use your computer". a bunch of idiots.

as for fires request i'm researching the boot process also but i use embedded on an old nforce board i had laying around. other than that i'm looking over the bios codes from cromwell and award. maybe there's a way to inject the code for booting from a dvd-rom into cromwell.

Welcome back Scan-C, hope everything went well on your trip. Things have been pretty slow this past week as you can see, but just so you know we decided on a project name while you were away, WinXBE. It's kinda catchy and a suitable title. Well, keep us posted on your findings, same with you fire. I am doing my research on boot processes, alternative methods to boot, etc. I am also trying to find a few more coders to join the team.
Regards,
-H8raid

I think a look at ReactOS could help,
http://www.reactos.com/

EDIT:
Found some extra stuff about bottin etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_sequence

I'm wondering if we can get Cromwell to load NTLdr then go from there.

guess what i just found amongst my files, the windows 2000 bootstraper that has been disassembled!,if anyone wants it pm me a email address and i will send it to you.

alright people.. i just came up with an idea that could be either brilliant.. or fricken stupid and someone smack me with a wet beaver tail alright...

is there any way we can build an xbox app that will let us log onto another computer.. like remote desktop?? or even through linux wouldn't be that bad and better performance then getting it to run on the xbox... if we could make an app somehow that could use remote desktop to take control of an xp pro machine in ur house then it would be the same thing as running windows practically just faster.... i dunno i might be thinking stupid.. its late and my brains barely functioning.. so i cant even think of what to do to make this possible or not... but running a little program like remote desktop client off ur xbox.. instead of windows xp professional.. would obsiously take alot less system resourses!

Yea definately scrap the remote desktop idea, that totally defeats the purpose here. Like already stated if thats how you want to run it just get a new video card. I am waiting on Scan-C to get back with me, and then this thread should be moving again. We are going to look at the bootstrap betaluva gave to us and see if we can get it to the point where we can actually get to the pci scans that are standing in our way. This is going to take some serious work and as of now Scan is the only real programmer on the team, so if you can code, and want to get involved, we need you. Just send a pm and we will get up to date on whats going on.

no what i mean is it would be practically the same thing.. it would look like ur running windows but ur not, and u could still go on the net and everything... im just asking if its possible, not if we should do it or not.. i still highly agree with getting windows running on the box itself.

you can easily do that with vnc. the server on the xp machine and client in linux on xbox but that isn't anywhere near what we want to do.

h8raid please send me the disassembled bootstrap. work is still keeping me busy but i'll take my breaks to look over the code.

someone mentioned loading ntldr through cromwell. i tried that and cromwell froze up.

but there is some light here. i got one of my teammates involved in this and we wrote a bootloader which in fact loaded the xpe kernel. it freezes and doesn't execute the kernel but it's a start. i hope i can get the source on monday. will post it asap.

i was just thinking,if we cant get windows to work on the xbox then maybe we could try react-os instead!, its open source,it should be easyer to compile/decompile,it should need less resources to run,there is even a live cd version(knoppix style),what do you think?i have extracted the bootloader from the iso,i can email it anyone wants it.

ok,i emailed brian-p and he has given us permission to create a custom version of freeloader if we want to,the only catch is if we create a custom version we have to share the code with brian,i have also emailed jason filby,RE a custom version of react-os,i have not got a reply yet.

reactos looks nice but isn't really functional right now. nearly every loaded win32 executable kills the system. but it can't hurt to have more os's running

if you need a website done and/or hosted i have mad webspace with a free domain register to kill so PM me if your interested. I can help with images and lil shit like that, this bios coding is over my head but if you ever get windows goin i can help a lil more in coding.

Sorry I havent been around in about a week, had some computer issues but I am back up now. Roadrunner screwed me so yea, internet was down for a week. Anyways, Scan-C, pm me with your email so I can send you the disassembled bootloader. Glad to hear you guys are making progress, so do you guys think we are ready to take Supplicium up on his offer for a site, or should we wait until we can document some things with screenies so we can show people that this project is going to be successful? Let me know what you guys want to do, personally, I think we should start a layout of the site, and get things ready to go, but wait to launch because it doesn't look like we are too far off from some real progress. Good work everybody!
Regards,
-H8raid

yup this way if we need it the layout is there. i would like a php news section for everybody on the team to add news.

couldn't get the source for now. this guy is everywhere but not on his desk

h8raid you have pm

Can't wait you guys

If you need beta/bug tester I have a few Xbox's to spare that can be used for more dangerous things.

I think we should get a small site up with atleast the code we have so far, so people don't have to keep e-mailing eachother. Maybe a SourceForge page for now.

having our own site would be COOL!, i say yes.

@Scan-C, youve got mail

@Everybody else, I sent a pm to supplicium about taking him up on his offer to host a site for us.

Oops, double posted, oh well I will just use this space as my new post, sorry about that.
Scan-C, have you had a chance to look over the disassembled bootloader? And do you have any updates on the source code you were tracking down? I would have sent this in PM, but until we get a site up with our own PHP like you suggested this thread is sort of our only means of communication for news and updates. Anyway, let us know whats going on and how things are going. If there is anything you need help tracking down let me know and I will see what I can do.
Regards,
-H8raid

I'm interested in seeing this project get somewhere... keep me posted!

Hello All, I've been reading on this thread about win on xbox and I'd like to join you guys too! I can be a tester for the team and I can host a server for website with ftp and a lot of space if you are interested! I would really like to see windows running smoothly on my xbox one day!

RE: moding reactos for xbxox,i just got the reply from jason filby,this is what he said,"Regarding ReactOS and the XBox: just remember to abide by the licensing
terms (GNU General Public License). You may want to make XBox
compatibility a ReactOS subproject to get the advtange of experienced
ReactOS developers.

Cheers
Jason"

i think starting a page first on Sourceforge is a good idea then it will give us time to make a site that will have sometype of "progress" to show.

Alright, it looks like everybody agrees sourceforge is that way to go for now so if anybody wants to start up a sourceforge page, drop me a pm, if nobody wants to do it, I will as soon as I finish up this class I am taking right now, I just don't have a whole lot of spare time with classes or I would jump right on it.
Regards,
-H8raid

yeah real life sucks if you want to get something like this going. i hardly have the time to see my cat at home.

but to thread... doesn't sourceforge require you to post source code of what you've done? i don't want so say sourceforge is a bad idea but most of the code will be hacked ms code for now...

i looked over the bootstrap but it's really just that... a bootstrap which loads ntldr. the way it works is fine with the xbox. a little modification needed if we use a bios that doesn't execute the hdd's bootsector but that's it.

about the source me and my teammate wrote... well forget it. turned out that he just included my code into a remote boot image and that it was catched but not executed. as he first told me it soundede like he loaded the xpe kernel from cd

hmm yea i frogot about the whole sourceforge and posting code that your not "allowed" to post. hmm maybe I or someone can start a lil site/forum.

i think we all agree we need a website so go for it supplicium,if you need any cool graphics i have few freinds who are graphics gurus.

i started on the interface of the site. i dont think ill need help with the images unless i get lazy lol but ask them anyway in there freetime if that can make anything cool to add to the site. I should have a preview up by tomorrow. if anyone is real good with the php coding PM me if you want to help setup the code for the website along with help me setting up a forum.

Well back on this windows on xbox talk..

Have we decided on what version of Windows we are going to try to work with?
is it between XP embed and 2000? or CE??

any1 know a good RSS feed we could use for the site? i think that would be a nice addition to the site. maybe not so much an "xbox" rss feed but maybe more of a Windows info feed.

why not focus on showing some kind of progress rather than worrying about a website that has nothing to show?

We are not focusing on a site that has nothing to show. Just because that is the only thing you read about in the thread recently does not mean that is the only thing we are doing. That is why we need a site, so you don't just "see" one thing going on and that's it. Plus we want to have things organized and in order so we can get a little more mainstream with the whole project rather than keeping it in this thread alone. That's my answer to your question.

Oh well, if you guys make this thing, make it so we can part up our HDDs, so we can have xbox games on one part, with fatx or what coding system it uses, and windows and other shit on the other part, with normal fat32 of ntfs..

it would be kewl if I could use it like a normal computer, but playing xbox games..

like, have a desktop with burnout3 and halo2 icon, and doubleclick with my mouse..
so the windows would be just like a new dashboard interface thingy..

oh well, would be cool to play PC games on the xbox too
quake3 and stuff..
eh..
yeah.. do whatevers possible..
you're the coders..

let's make this a reality...

The only thing is, is that it would probably make some sense to use gentoox's bootloader, seeing as it is opensource, and legal...

Essentially, it would be more feasible to begin with a gentoox install, and mod it for our uses. --
The following are things that would be good to experiment with...
Wine, Cedega support (requires subscription), least-memory-intensive gui, some form of OpenGL support -- which I'm unsure of if it exists...

Anyway, I'll be working on this project whenever I have free time.

umm...jimmsta that would defeat the purpose of getting WINDOWS to run on the xbox. we dont need gentoox w/ cedega running. That already works

I was browsing the thread, and had an idea, Whould it be possible to take the linux kernel, Stip away all the stuff that makes it an os, hard code it so it runs windows call functions natively and make sort-of a bootloader out of it? Then work out your PCI and RAM bugs from there?

Just a thought

Let me Know

P.S. Im not a proficient coder or anything, but i have a General idea of What linux and windows do "behind the scenes" if you will, and that the XB dashboard is just a Gutted Ver. of Win 2K, but if im coming across as a complete idiot, fell free to Educate me a little.

its been done allready,its called react-os.

React OS has a linux base, that is what this project is trying to get away from. They want to get a standard Windows version running smoothly. React OS will never be able to emulate windows as fast as it should be able to. I don't know about you, but I am interested in DirectX Accelerated games, something that react os is probabbly far from offering. Besides, who dosen't like the user friendly windows gui? Most people who don't know linux would probably use windows.

emulating windows in any way (like reactos does) isn't what we want. the xbox isn't powerful enough to do any kind of windows emulation so we need it native.

btw i need some help on the xpe kernel. some time ago i found a commented disassembly of it but i can't find it now. if anyone has it drop me a line.

Wow, was just browsing around and happend upon this thread!

personally i love linux, but id also love to see windows running properly on the xbox

get a site up asap, u need one lol.

nice work, i'll be following this thread. If u need any testing i'll be glad to help.
Dont have time to actually work on the project, and im not that great at coding anyway. but good luck guys, keep up with the good work.

please include opengl and direct 3d support...

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hey pplz i was browsing the web in search of any ways to have windows run on the xbox, and i found this thread. sounds very interesting, good luck, and also, just to let ya guys know, i am a very experienced programmer with the win32 environment. if ya need any help, just let me know. put it this way........i know 25 different programming languages, including assembly language, if that helps any...

keep me posted on progress too, i really like this.

p.s.-if u need a programmer for the site or anything, just tell me, ill gladly help out cause i have nothing to do anymore wheni get online.

@corp769, thank you for your interest and offer to help out. I am glad you decided to drop us a line because we need more programmers, drop Scan-C a line and see what he needs help with on the project and tell him what your specific experience is in.

windowsxp embedded bootable cd,i just downloaded a tutorial on how to create one,if anyone wants it pm me.